The 2010 Charade (Winter Olympics)

[Francis2004]

Sorry but if I am not mistake here are some of the benefits of the Olympics which I do not plan to attend and hardly watch ( Hockey maybe ). Many of these are not included into "Olympics" type of press releases as they are dual type of projects but one cannot deny the requirement of these for the Olympics as well as the day to day improvement of Vancouver / BC life..

Sea to Sky Highway Project
Sea to Sky Highway Improvement Project - Home Page

Golden Ears Bridge
Golden Ears Bridge | Overview

Pitt River Bridge Reconstruction
Pitt River Bridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Canada Line ( Skytrain )
Canada Line | Home

Maple Ridge Hospital
NEW ER AND PATIENT CARE CENTRE OPENS IN MAPLE RIDGE

BC Government buys Housing for poor
B.C. buys up social housing

Now you must be saying how much does SirFrancis have invested in all this.. ZERO.. I am just making a point that people look at the negative aspect of everything, not the positive..

 

[Tyr]

What are we as a society supposed to do, stop all economic activity forever so people can smoke crack and sleep in grocery carts? Cancel the Olympics and play folk music for them? Why are people with nothing trying to live in the middle of an expensive city? They should be relocated to their families, or to hospitals where they can be treated. There is nothing you or I can ever do to make their lives work where they are.

thanks for your take on social engineering

What are we as a society supposed to do, stop all economic activity forever so people can smoke crack and sleep in grocery carts?

and 100% of the homeless and people who live in poverty are hardcore drug addicts... Hm, I guess there must be upwards of 20,000 hardcore addicts in Vancouver and nearly 100,000 in BC.

Why are people with nothing trying to live in the middle of an expensive city? They should be relocated to their families, or to hospitals where they can be treated.

The hospitals are full (and expensive to both you and me to maintain with tax dollares) and what if they do not have families?

You 50's attitude towards social ills in astounding

 

[darkbeaver]

DB you've reached a new high in ridiculous.

You are not forced to like the olympics DB, but you should at least get your information right.

You are an expert in the ridiculous now?
I got my information right, the crust will scrape most of the loot off the top for consulting and then there's finance and then there's advertising and a hundred other worthless adventures with public money. They aren't talking about the real economy Juan they're talking about the financial economy,since when do the people make out double plus good on big fat projects like this? The crumbs, a bit of smoke ,some patriotic music, teeshirts,beer mugs, dorky little olympic banners and some foolish contest to name a stuffed mascot and a bunch of buildings most people can't afford to enjoy or don't have the time to enjoy because they have work three or four jobs to eat. Screw your olympdicks.

 

[#juan]

thanks for your take on social engineering

What are we as a society supposed to do, stop all economic activity forever so people can smoke crack and sleep in grocery carts?

and 100% of the homeless and people who live in poverty are hardcore drug addicts... Hm, I guess there must be upwards of 20,000 hardcore addicts in Vancouver and nearly 100,000 in BC.

Why are people with nothing trying to live in the middle of an expensive city? They should be relocated to their families, or to hospitals where they can be treated.

The hospitals are full (and expensive to both you and me to maintain with tax dollares) and what if they do not have families?

You 50's attitude towards social ills in astounding

They seem to have the right idea in Singapore:

Lee Kuan Yew, former prime minister of Singapore, knew the answer to this cancerous problem. He saw his country being torn apart by the heroin trade and decided that stringent measures were required to stop it. I received his blunt, clear message on a plane before landing in Singapore. A card, government issued, was handed to me that read, "Death for drug traffickers under Singapore law." This greeting gets your attention.
Lee Kuun Yew also knew that if you show your teeth you must be prepared to bite. If not, the law is ineffective. And since 1991 it's reported that 420 people have been executed, mostly due to drug trafficking.

 

[CanadianLove]

The "elephant-in-the-room" is what are they going to do with the poverty and homelessness in Vasncouver when we are "on the world stage". Do they want those pictures flashed around the world?

The city bought all the slum hotels that were been shut down a couple of years earlier by the health inspectors. They are in the process of reburbishing them to get the people out of sight by next year. I don't know what they will do to the ones who refuse to get inside out of the weather. Their are a good number who do not trust anyone enough to even go to the 'Sally Ann' to eat. Sooner dumpster dive and sleep under the bridges and loading docks. :angry3:

 

[#juan]

There's nothing like watching spoiled privilaged clowns beating the clocks for kicks while the planet falls into ruin at the hands of the filthy bankers. The olympics should be banned forever as the giant obscene spectacle that it is. Who gives a **** if you can ski fast?

DB you are obviously a frustrated Socialist/Communist, whatever. Very few of our athletes are from "privileged" families. In fact many work at part time jobs to pay for training, equipment, etc. Canada doesn't pay nearly what a lot of countries pay for athletes in training.

 

[JLM]

DB you are obviously a frustrated Socialist/Communist, whatever. Very few of our athletes are from "privileged" families. In fact many work at part time jobs to pay for training, equipment, etc. Canada doesn't pay nearly what a lot of countries pay for athletes in training.

I don't see any problem with athletes having a venue to compete, but I do see a problem when pensioners like myself are going to have to foot a bill for $billions to impress the whole wide world because whoever did the estimates screwed it up. What excuse could there possibly be for a security est. of $150 million turning out to be a $billion? The persons doing the estimates obviously would never survive in business which includes giving estimates to prospective customers. A lot to do with the 2010 Charade has nothing to do with sports competition and much to do to show placing Vancouver to the world. We did that back in 1986 and who did we attract? A lot of the most undesirable type of immigrants and now we can't get rid of them.

 

[Kreskin]

thanks for your take on social engineering

What are we as a society supposed to do, stop all economic activity forever so people can smoke crack and sleep in grocery carts?

and 100% of the homeless and people who live in poverty are hardcore drug addicts... Hm, I guess there must be upwards of 20,000 hardcore addicts in Vancouver and nearly 100,000 in BC.

Why are people with nothing trying to live in the middle of an expensive city? They should be relocated to their families, or to hospitals where they can be treated.

The hospitals are full (and expensive to both you and me to maintain with tax dollares) and what if they do not have families?

You 50's attitude towards social ills in astounding

What I find astounding is people complaining about the Olympics as if it will go away. I have news for them - it won't. So make the best of it rather than ruin a good thing. If a great event for this city is in danger of being tarnished by those with chronic negativity syndrome I support taking action. I'm bloody tired of people who whine about anything and everything. If organized whiners want to picket during the Olympics I say toss them in jail for 27 days so the rest of us can host the world without their nonsense. And it's about time someone did something to clean up the drug invested nuthouse on the downtown east side.

 

[Francis2004]

The city bought all the slum hotels that were been shut down a couple of years earlier by the health inspectors. They are in the process of reburbishing them to get the people out of sight by next year. I don't know what they will do to the ones who refuse to get inside out of the weather. Their are a good number who do not trust anyone enough to even go to the 'Sally Ann' to eat. Sooner dumpster dive and sleep under the bridges and loading docks. :angry3:

Your right CanadianLove in that many of the street people do not want to stay in shelters. The issue is that many cannot bring in their "shopping carts of belongings" and although this may sound selfish to us, it is often all these people have. I also understand that even with the Upgrades the Government is doing to the older structures there is still a extremely high theft level amongst the general populations for the good ( money, clothes ) that can be brought is.

I am still in favour of all the Government is doing and they could possibly do more but how can we justify doing more when often these buildings sit at 75% occupency only.

You cannot force the people off the street.

 

[JLM]

"And it's about time someone did something to clean up the drug invested nuthouse on the downtown east side."- All of that could be accomplished with money we are spending on the 2010 Charade.

 

[Francis2004]

I don't see any problem with athletes having a venue to compete, but I do see a problem when pensioners like myself are going to have to foot a bill for $billions to impress the whole wide world because whoever did the estimates screwed it up. What excuse could there possibly be for a security est. of $150 million turning out to be a $billion? The persons doing the estimates obviously would never survive in business which includes giving estimates to prospective customers. A lot to do with the 2010 Charade has nothing to do with sports competition and much to do to show placing Vancouver to the world. We did that back in 1986 and who did we attract? A lot of the most undesirable type of immigrants and now we can't get rid of them.

Many of the "money" spent on sporting events like the Olympics and such focus on Athletes for which many new Medical procedures have allowed people to live longer like you JLM.. Like my last post said earlier, don't look at all the benefits to be in the limelight and directly tied to an event name. Sports Medicine has improved all our lives a whole bunch and that be with Football, Hockey, Baseball, Basketball or many of the other sports you can name.

If you start with stopping the Olympics, what next, the Superbowl, The StanleyCup...

 

[Francis2004]

And it's about time someone did something to clean up the drug invested nuthouse on the downtown east side.

Didn't they all move them from the Red light district back in the 1980's to find them all migrate to another area. Then they did a police push to find them all in Surrey to have the same problem again.

Surrey did the same to have them all in the Abbotsford area and back into the East end of Vancouver..

The issue will not go away and all you do is move the problem from district to district.

I think we would all get rid of them fast if we moved them all in tents onto Gordon ( Campbell ) and Carole ( James ) lawns..

 

[gopher]

Question: does anyone know if Olympic events generate enough revenue to pay for the cost of new stadiums and infrastructural expenses? Or do communities lose money in the long run??

 

[Kreskin]

Didn't they all move them from the Red light district back in the 1980's to find them all migrate to another area. Then they did a police push to find them all in Surrey to have the same problem again.

Surrey did the same to have them all in the Abbotsford area and back into the East end of Vancouver..

The issue will not go away and all you do is move the problem from district to district.

I think we would all get rid of them fast if we moved them all in tents onto Gordon ( Campbell ) and Carole ( James ) lawns..

I like that idea, especially them moving in with Carol James.

I'm all for being civil and everyone working together. But if the extreme left is only concerned with stirring up nonsense that can't be resolved (ie the Olympics won't be cancelled no matter how loud they yell) then I'd be ok with the gloves coming off and stirring back.

 

[Kreskin]

"And it's about time someone did something to clean up the drug invested nuthouse on the downtown east side."- All of that could be accomplished with money we are spending on the 2010 Charade.

Ya right. We're supposed to stop progress of any kind except build social housing and extra shooting galleries downtown? Does it occur to anyone that the best chance these people will have is to make one helluva impression on the world so that money will flow into the Province for decades?

 

[Kreskin]

Question: does anyone know if Olympic events generate enough revenue to pay for the cost of new stadiums and infrastructural expenses? Or do communities lose money in the long run??

I don't know the numbers but it can and has. They are budgeted to. I remember hearing that Barcelona was and maybe still is the #3 tourist destination in Europe. It went from something like #20 to #3 for a decade and maybe more after their Olympics.

 

[CanadianLove]

"Didn't they all move them from the Red light district back in the 1980's to find them all migrate to another area. Then they did a police push to find them all in Surrey to have the same problem again.

Surrey did the same to have them all in the Abbotsford area and back into the East end of Vancouver..

The issue will not go away and all you do is move the problem from district to district. "

That is a familie thing I think. You will see them get prenant and move out to Surrey to let their kids grow up away from the East Side and the parents ride the train in and out to sell drugs (day job like everyone else). Once the kids are old enough or get taken away from them they end up in the East Side full-time again. A majority of the players there don't even live there. If they are really fuked up on drugs they are not the players (maybe want-a-be's, but not players). The ones they have to get rid of are the one who travel in there to sell the drugs and get out. They are the ones smart enough to not have to live in that hell hole. Once they are gone the place will dry up.

 

[talloola]

DB you are obviously a frustrated Socialist/Communist, whatever. Very few of our athletes are from "privileged" families. In fact many work at part time jobs to pay for training, equipment, etc. Canada doesn't pay nearly what a lot of countries pay for athletes in training.

Except this time around, there is lots of money going to the athletes this time,
because canada wants their athletes to make them 'proud', government has deep
pockets, or I mean, we do, that's why there are so many canadian victories on
the world stage right now.

 

[CanadianLove]

Question: does anyone know if Olympic events generate enough revenue to pay for the cost of new stadiums and infrastructural expenses? Or do communities lose money in the long run??

I think it was about 4-5 years ago Montreal finally finished paying for the 1976 Games.

 

[#juan]

I don't see any problem with athletes having a venue to compete, but I do see a problem when pensioners like myself are going to have to foot a bill for $billions to impress the whole wide world because whoever did the estimates screwed it up.

That is just ridiculous. As a pensioner you probably don't pay a lot of tax and Canada is one of the richer countries in the world so a few million dollars in overruns are not going to break us. The overruns sure as hell are not going to be in the billions. Get a grip.

BTW, I'm a pensioner and I'm not worried about it.