Pro-life speaker astounded lecture at SMU shut down by protesters

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Protesters prevented anti-abortion crusader Jojo Ruba from speaking at Saint Mary's University on Sunday.

Presentation draws similarities between abortion, Jewish genocide
Pro-life speaker astounded lecture at SMU shut down by protesters - Nova Scotia News - TheChronicleHerald.ca

A pro-life speaker is shocked that an aggressive protest shut down his lecture Thursday evening at Saint Mary’s University in Halifax.

"If the university gives into this mob rule, then the mob gets to decide who gets to speak on campus," Jojo Ruba said in an interview Sunday night.

Mr. Ruba is in the middle of a speaking tour in Atlantic Canada on behalf of the Canadian Centre for Bio-Ethical Reform, a non-profit organization in Calgary that he helped to found.

His lecture is titled Echoes of the Holocaust. He draws similarities between abortion and the genocide of six million Jewish people during the Second World War.

Now that's simply a stupid comparison...... oh well..... continuing on....

Mr. Ruba was invited to speak at Saint Mary’s by members of a new university pro-life group that booked a room through the school’s chaplain.

Demonstrators from the Coalition for Choice arrived just as the lecture started and began chanting over Mr. Ruba’s words and eventually blocked his visual presentation on an overhead projector.

The protesters stayed for over 35 minutes until campus security and Halifax Regional Police arrived and the event was shut down.

Lesley-Anne Steeleworthy, who is chairwoman of the board at the women’s centre at the university, said the lecture topic was "anti-choice" and offensive on "a number of levels."

"It is shocking," Ms. Steeleworthy said Sunday. "It’s comparing women who want the right to choose to being as evil as Hitler."

As a result, her group is considering a human rights complaint against the university chaplain for participating in the event. The chaplain is in his first year in the position.

"The chaplain is supposed to be there for all students on campus, and yet he’s advocating anti-choice," Ms. Steeleworthy said.

"Organizing something so offensive, I think, is pretty rough coming from the chaplain’s office."

Her group plans to hold an emergency meeting today to discuss the issue.

And there was more fallout from the lecture.

The head of the university’s pro-life society said he is also thinking about lodging a complaint against the school administrator who shut the lecture down.

Joseph Westin, a second-year commerce student, said he was shocked that such action was taken.

In an interview Sunday night, he said the protesters should have been escorted out, instead of the other way around.

"It’s sort of a censorship-freedom of speech battle that only really happens when the issue of abortion comes up," Mr. Westin said.

University administrators shouldn’t have buckled to protesters’ demands, said Mr. Ruba.

"They said we had to move off campus . . . and I wasn’t too happy about it," he said, noting that the chaplain opened up a room at nearby Canadian Martyrs Church on Inglis Street.

The university’s public affairs officer was not available for comment Sunday.

The Canadian Centre for Bio-Ethical Reform is no stranger to controversy.

In fact, Mr. Ruba said the centre trains its speakers to "rationally defend what we believe in" because they know it invites controversy.

How, by calling women and the males who support their choice Nazis?

People get into a big storm when you compare the US or Israel to Nazis.... but labeling or comparing women who want the right to choose as Nazis commiting genocide like in the holocaust is "Rationally Defending what they believe in?"

Nobody's putting bullets into the fetus's heads, nobody is putting them in gas chambers, nobody's tossing them into ovens, or making them work slave labour..... just for the sake of them being fetuses, like just for the sake of them being Jewish..... people have the choice to determine if they want or can have a child or not...... this doesn't mean those who are pro-choice are going to automatically kill any fetuses they may end up carrying..... they may actually (And many do) want to have a child.

I want to have a child or two someday, but I'm still pro-chocie..... that does not mean I'm going to make sure anytime in the future my gf get's pregnant we're going to have an abortion 100% of the time.

They wouldn't know rationality if it bit them in the ass.

Thursday’s lecture marked the first time a speaker from the centre couldn’t give their full presentation at such an event.

"We have (had) people upset at us, but they usually protest before or after the event," Mr. Ruba said.

Well welcome to Nova Scotia.

The usual pattern is to invite protesters to "exchange ideas" and engage in "polite debate," he said.

Kinda hard to do that when you brand the other side of the argument as Nazi Jew Killers..... I could very well see how many would take that to offense and personally.

Fly into Israel, stand right in front of a crowd of Israelis, point your finger at them and tell them they're all a bunch of Nazis for what they're doing in Gaza and see how much of a "polite debate" you'll end up having.

See, I limit what I call Nazis, by calling just the Israeli government for what I see it as.... but when you label an entire population with blanket statements such as the above, you're simply asking for trouble.

And then you cry foul when that trouble you created comes your way?

Deal with it.

"We do it all across the country. . . . But . . . (the Halifax protesters) didn’t want to. They wanted to shut us down and call us names."

You called them names first.... some of the worse kind you could think of.... wtf do you expect moron? Oops... there's another name for ya.

Mr. Ruba plans to be at St. Francis Xavier University in Antigonish today and Tuesday.

Good luck.
 

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I think he's wrong and a bit of a nutball, but I don't see why the outrage is so strong. It's nothing new. He's a divisive person who should be ignored. Protests that shut down his speeches just turn him into a more sympathetic victim and get him more attention.
 

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I think he's wrong and a bit of a nutball, but I don't see why the outrage is so strong. It's nothing new. He's a divisive person who should be ignored. Protests that shut down his speeches just turn him into a more sympathetic victim and get him more attention.

Oh the flip side, allowing him to continue to label people like that, may seem to be a sign of accepting that it is true. To allow these protestors to publically express how offended they are to the point of trying to shut it down shows just how unacceptable things are getting.

I thought it was bad enough with those Pro-Lifers holding up graphic posters along the highways here in the Maritimes during the busy rush hours, exposing not just adults to these images but also children.

You wouldn't show a poster with someone's brains blow out by a shotgun to kids along a highway talking about suicide, so what makes them think this is acceptable?

The difference between the pro-lifers and pro-choicers, is that the Pro-Lifers have been stepping way beyond the line in many of their arguments, beyond the point of offense and it's gotta stop.

I'm glad these guys stood up to this crap and shut it down. If they want a ligit and decent mature debate about the topic, then do it right. They're acting like trolls in a forum over a topic, in which they try and attempt to make pro-choice people look evil, and then continue to make them look evil when they reacted as anybody would react to such an inflammatory thing directed towards them.
 

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Yet another nut job fighting for more beauratic control over the masses. It is morons like this that fueled National Socialism in the first place.

What's next? Book burnings?

Freedom from religion not freedom of religion is what this nation was founded on.
 

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Yet another nut job fighting for more beauratic control over the masses. It is morons like this that fueled National Socialism in the first place.

What's next? Book burnings?

Freedom from religion not freedom of religion is what this nation was founded on.


Yes, yer goddam "right", Petros

I thought only bats could hang from the ceiling.

............hang in there............:lol::lol:

Or, does one have to be "bats" to hang from the ceiling.???

If so, I'll join ya.

8O
 

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You really should have listened to the presentation before commenting on it. Of course, that would have been easier to do, if it hadn't been shut down. The presentation 'Echoes of the holocaust' reminds us of the lessons that should have been learned. As in " denying the humanity of another human being is VERY VERY BAD". No names were called by the prolife side. On the other hand, a loud obnoxious group came into a booked room where a quiet presentation was being made to people who wanted to hear it...including some abortion supporters. They were denied this privilege because another group was incensed that they should be discussing the reality that 4000 human beings a day in the US alone are being killed because their humanity is being denied by others. Storyline sound familiar...at all...?

BTW the speaker was invited by the prolife students who formed their own prolife group on campus. They are quite familiar with Nova Scotia. The leader of the prolife group comes from a family in Waverley, who has several generations of alumni from SMU.

Once you start deciding who can and cannot speak on issues you feel are/are not 'dangerous', you are depreciating the meaning of every citizen's freedom. Canada, still nominally a democracy...
 

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Why not just let the guy speak?

Is it only free speech if you agree with it?

Rediculous.:roll:

For people who claim to be tolerant they sure aren't.
 

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Unfortunately, it seems far too many people believe the "right to free speech" means the "right to agree with me".

if you believe life begins at conception, and abortion is the taking of life........then abortion is murder, and the comparison is not so far out of line..... the problem is how close this comes to justifying murder of abortion doctors, bombing of clinics, etc......

This entire debate is so full of emotional bear traps....wow.

Yeah, I think the comparison between those who do and have abortions, and Nazis is out of line..........

But the guy should have the right to speak.
 

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It's a shame that more universities don't get more divisive, argumentative, inflammatory speakers in more often.

Students need to learn the art of critical thinking, and evaluating an argument. Shutting it down before you've even heard it, instead of listening, and writing down all the reasons it's wrong, isn't what education is about. It's counter-intuitive in my mind.

But, at the same time, emotions run high when you make grand leaps with the argument like this man supposedly does.
 

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if you believe life begins at conception, and abortion is the taking of life........then abortion is murder, and the comparison is not so far out of line.....

Slave owners believed their slave were subhuman. Nazis believed the Jews were subhumans. Pro-choice people believe the fetus is subhuman. You are right the comparison is not so far out of line. One could argue that the Nazis acted out of hatred and a woman having an abortion is not. Personally, I think they (Nazis, abortion seeking women, slave owner, etc) are and were acting out of fear. Hate stems from fear.

Both the far right fringe and the far left fringe like to throw the term Nazi around so much now, it is becoming meaningless.

He should have been allowed to speak. If the folks condemning him wanted any credibility they should have offered to debate him instead. People that can't debate will throw labels around. This site is evidence of that.
 

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You really should have listened to the presentation before commenting on it. Of course, that would have been easier to do, if it hadn't been shut down. The presentation 'Echoes of the holocaust' reminds us of the lessons that should have been learned. As in " denying the humanity of another human being is VERY VERY BAD".

It doesn't echo anything because a "Fetus" isn't a living "Human" It's just a stage process along the way of becoming a living "Human." ~ Therefore the comparisons don't even apply to the situation and was only made to make pro-choice people appear to be just as evil as Hitler or Nazi Germany.

No names were called by the prolife side. On the other hand, a loud obnoxious group came into a booked room where a quiet presentation was being made to people who wanted to hear it...including some abortion supporters. They were denied this privilege because another group was incensed that they should be discussing the reality that 4000 human beings a day in the US alone are being killed because their humanity is being denied by others. Storyline sound familiar...at all...?

Nope. Fetuses are not "Human Beings"..... if they were, they wouldn't be called fetuses now would they?

And they have to be independantly alive first in order to be "Killed"

That's like pulling the plug on a brain dead person from an accident.... and before we get into a long winded debate on brain patterns being active within a fetus, this has already been debated to death in other threads, so I won't go into any further at this point.

BTW the speaker was invited by the prolife students who formed their own prolife group on campus. They are quite familiar with Nova Scotia. The leader of the prolife group comes from a family in Waverley, who has several generations of alumni from SMU.

Once you start deciding who can and cannot speak on issues you feel are/are not 'dangerous', you are depreciating the meaning of every citizen's freedom. Canada, still nominally a democracy...

Democracy within Canada is an illusion...... you want to talk about freedom of speech? What about the guy in the University in Ontario who was forced to apologize for calling Israel's actions against Gaza no different then what the Nazis' did in WWII?

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/80866-union-may-ban-israeli-academics.html

He ended up getting into a heap of sh*t for his comments..... yet you want to give this guy a green light to do the exact same thing because it supports what you claim?

Democracy my ass. He was forced to apologize for what he said with his so-called right to freedom of speech, and while I agreed with much of what he said, clearly he and I were wrong and he went over the line.

Yet you stand here trying to tell me and everybody else that this guy should be allowed to goto Universities to spread even more innacurate tripe to students and compare pro-choice people to Nazi Germany and the holocaust?

Utter Hypocracy to the friggin core is what that is.

Do you think it's fair to compare Religious and Pro-Life supporters to how Nazi Germany oppressed people and forced them to follow what they believed in, based on their police-state mentality that they have a right to butt into everybody else's personal affairs?

Maybe there's a place there to open a debate on those comparisons, but I don't want to start a debate in that aspect, because it doesn't do anything for the actual argument other then make the other side look evil and uncaring..... which is why I avoid making those comparisons in the first place and don't feel his little pow wow was justified in even having a place for him to express it, esspecially in a place of education (See above about my example)

If you don't allow one, then don't allow any.
 

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Slave owners believed their slave were subhuman. Nazis believed the Jews were subhumans. Pro-choice people believe the fetus is subhuman. You are right the comparison is not so far out of line. One could argue that the Nazis acted out of hatred and a woman having an abortion is not. Personally, I think they (Nazis, abortion seeking women, slave owner, etc) are and were acting out of fear. Hate stems from fear.

How does a woman who wants or needs an abortion due to medical reasons or otherwise made out of fear?

Fear that they may die in the process of pregnancy or birth?

I think that's kinda valid if it were the case.

Both the far right fringe and the far left fringe like to throw the term Nazi around so much now, it is becoming meaningless.

He should have been allowed to speak. If the folks condemning him wanted any credibility they should have offered to debate him instead. People that can't debate will throw labels around. This site is evidence of that.

Once again, check out what happened to the guy at the Ontario Univeristy who was forced to apologize for what he said when he compared another group to Nazis or face losing his job.

Freedom of speech indeed.

Added:

My personal belief on the subject is that if there are medical concerns in the situation that warrent an abortion then I'm all for it..... I am not for someone having an abortion just because they were stupid or simply don't want a kid.......

..... in saying that, I am not far left or right in the topic.... so I take offense when this jackass comes around to the universities to start arguing how I and everybody else who believes the same thing as I are nothing more then nazis out to commit genocide and place me in a generalized category as all the other spectrums of those who believe in pro-choice.

It's an ignorant statement, it's a flawed statement, and assclowns like him shouldn't even be given the time of day in a University until they actually have some valid argument to present that isn't just hypocritical, but purposely inflamitory.
 

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Unfortunately, it seems far too many people believe the "right to free speech" means the "right to agree with me".

if you believe life begins at conception, and abortion is the taking of life........then abortion is murder, and the comparison is not so far out of line..... the problem is how close this comes to justifying murder of abortion doctors, bombing of clinics, etc......

This entire debate is so full of emotional bear traps....wow.

Yeah, I think the comparison between those who do and have abortions, and Nazis is out of line..........

But the guy should have the right to speak.

Allowing the guy to speak is borderline hate propogation, but just. He has the right to speak, just as people who disagree with him have the right not to listen

He does seem to been somewhat "unhinged" though :roll:
 

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Slave owners believed their slave were subhuman. Nazis believed the Jews were subhumans. Pro-choice people believe the fetus is subhuman. You are right the comparison is not so far out of line. One could argue that the Nazis acted out of hatred and a woman having an abortion is not. Personally, I think they (Nazis, abortion seeking women, slave owner, etc) are and were acting out of fear. Hate stems from fear.

Both the far right fringe and the far left fringe like to throw the term Nazi around so much now, it is becoming meaningless.

He should have been allowed to speak. If the folks condemning him wanted any credibility they should have offered to debate him instead. People that can't debate will throw labels around. This site is evidence of that.

Personally, I think they (Nazis, abortion seeking women, slave owner, etc) are and were acting out of fear. Hate stems from fear.

That's so ludicrous that's it's mind boggling. Women seek abortions out of fear? Slave owners have slaves sout of fear...

Maybe my adversion to shredded coconut is fear based. 8O
 

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Personally, I think they (Nazis, abortion seeking women, slave owner, etc) are and were acting out of fear. Hate stems from fear.

That's so ludicrous that's it's mind boggling. Women seek abortions out of fear? Slave owners have slaves sout of fear...

It's not that far fetched.
 

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It's not that far fetched.

I guess not, considering they may choose an abortion through fear of their own death.

And when it comes to a pregnancy causing harm or death to a woman, and the "Rights" to a fetus, I sum it up to the survival of the fittest.... since the mother can live on her own and it technically more fit then the fetus, which would die on it's own, the mother get's priority when it comes to rights, therefore, go grab the vacuum cleaner.
 

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The most destructive element in the human mind is fear. Fear creates aggressiveness - Dorothy Thompson

Too many people are thinking of security instead of opportunity. They seem to be more afraid of life than death - James F Bynes

If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment - Marcus Aurelius
 

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"America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men.

It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts -- a child -- as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters"

And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners.

Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign." -
Mother Theresa

Again, it all depends on whether you believe a fetus is a human.