Defeat PM over 'vindictive, nasty' budget, N.L. premier tells Liberals

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We need to put shovels in the ground and separate like our brave Newfounland comrades and leave the scheming lying upper Canadians once and for all.

I think our capital should be Sable Island
 

mt_pockets1000

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That's been the NL attitude forever.

It might come across as looking for handouts to you, but tell me how a province is supposed to operate when the bulk of it's natural resources are moved out of province to be processed elsewhere, namely Ontario and Quebec.

And that's why people get tired of Danny.

Most of the people who are tired of Danny are from out-of-province and are still of the opinion that Newfoundland should remain the runt of the family. Guess what...the runt has grown up and we are gonna get what's rightfully ours no matter how much you, the Feds, or mainland Canada bellows.

We're special, and we're entitled to equalization payments no matter how much offshore revenue we make.

Back to that again are we. I don't find myself any more special than you Tenpenny. May I remind you that Harper had agreed to leave the offshore oil out of the equalization formula. Whether it's right or wrong, the agreement was in place. Harper lied, swindled and pulled the rug out from under the province with that agreement.

So Williams claims Newfoundland and Labrador stands to lose $1.5B over a 3 year period based on this budget. I wonder if Harper and Flaherty factored those savings into their scheme and distributed that money throughout Quebec and Ontario? Based on past strategies by Federal governments of sticking it to NF, I'd say I'm not too far off the mark.
 

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Saskatchewan Premier Unhappy With Federal Budget

D grade for deficit, delay and disappointment
Reported By Sarah Mills
Posted January 28, 2009 - 4:27pm Saskatchewan Premier Unhappy With Federal Budget | News Talk 980

On the day the federal budget was released the Premier stated the devil would be in the details. And it appears Brad Wall has found that devil.

With more details revealed to him, the Premier is taking a harsher view of the budget.

Wall gives it a D over it for deficit, delay and disappointment.

He's concerned about the time frame of the deficit, the approval process that could delay infrastructure money and the lack of help for livestock producers.
The Premier jokes that his parents would probably have told him `to go back and try a lot harder' if he brought home a D.

And while he has tried to strike a cordial relationship with the Prime Minister, he's disappointed it hasn't made much of a difference, and he argues, that likely comes down to politics, noting that Saskatchewan only has 14 seats in Parliament.

It is perhaps the harshest words Wall has struck towards the federal Government to which he has tried to strike a more cordial relationship, hence his disappointment.
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What I find "odd" about the bungling budget is that the 4th largest province - Alberta (by pop) ends up with nearly 4X as much as the second largest province - Quebec and 3X as much as the third largest province - BC
The inference is simple really. Move to Alberta, vote Tory and get a huge handout .
I wonder if it's possible to dig a deeper trough?
 

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So Williams claims Newfoundland and Labrador stands to lose $1.5B over a 3 year period based on this budget. I wonder if Harper and Flaherty factored those savings into their scheme and distributed that money throughout Quebec and Ontario? Based on past strategies by Federal governments of sticking it to NF, I'd say I'm not too far off the mark.

Whine, whine, whine. NL has whined ever since Smallwood made a gazillion stupid deals and sold NL's future to Quebec. And what's-his-face (shaheen, wasn't it?), who built Come By Chance which went spectacularly bankrupt (newsflash - when NARL started up, do you know where their crude came from? Research Iraq and oil-for-food and the UN). Etc Etc. And when oil was trading at $140 a barrel, Danny still wanted the Feds to put up more money for the new fields, and wanted equalization payments, too, and wants every bloody thing he can ask for, the meanwhile, he decides that NL doesn't need radiologists, or competent pathologists, or anyone but his buddies running MUN, and by the way, you can charge anything you want to on your legislative expense account, oh, sorry, we got caught, let's cause a big fuss on that one...etc etc etc.
Do you really think ValeInco is going to build the smelter to process Voisey's ore, or is that going to turn to a cluster**** too? I have my bets.
 

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I new and yet unforetold side effect of the budget speech seems to be some fairly serious and particularly heavy, non-stop drinking from the average taxpayer
 

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I'm going to do my part, tonight.I notice that especially on CBC, their coverage is mostly focussed on what everyone DOESN'T like about the budget.
 

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I find it hard to believe that anybody would not like the "budget". IT was like Christmas for 2 yr olds.

It was all things to some and many things to all. Being fiscally irresponsible to garner votes is not a new political tactic, but this budget took it to new heights (or depths depending upon your viewpoint)
 

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The Budget seems to have about 14 strings attached to most things in such a way
that I don't think many will reap much at all from it. We as Canadians may find that
in a year or two, our deficit hasn't grown much as most of the conditions haven't
been met to actually dole out much cash. This seems to be more smoke and mirrors
with large numbers than any real type of stimulus package if most of it will never be
collected on.

To collect the maximum of $1350.00 for the home renovation spiff, you'd have to
spend more than $10,000.00 and the first $1,000.00 doesn't count, then you get
to claim 15% of the next $9,000.00, then anything beyond that doesn't count....So
if you do a $2,000.00 reno, you'll get to claim $150.00 BUT you'll have to pay
$100.00 in GST & whatever PST your Province charges (here it's 5% so another
$100.00). This isn't much of a make or break incentive to start to start any project
unless it's a large one, and then you'd be doing it anyway so...where is the incentive
do stat something you wouldn't already be doing.

If a family of four, with the changes in the taxes, who gross $80,000.00 can now
expect to have an extra $250.00 in their pockets....that's a big 0.003125% increase
to their income to invest back into the economy (Yep...1/3125th of a percent).
 

Ron in Regina

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What I find "odd" about the bungling budget is that the 4th largest province - Alberta (by pop) ends up with nearly 4X as much as the second largest province - Quebec and 3X as much as the third largest province - BC
The inference is simple really. Move to Alberta, vote Tory and get a huge handout .
I wonder if it's possible to dig a deeper trough?


13 of 14 seats in Saskatchewan went to the Tory's....didn't do much for Saskatchewan.
I think Alberta gets to pay for their "hand outs" several times over for each and every one.
 

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Just about dick ($170 million over 2 years) for the forest industry in BC, yet the rich banks are happier by $75 billion?
Just about dick for the homeless, yet the bungling automaker management gets a nice hefty bailout?
$200 million for something called Canadian TV Fund, and hardly dick to help out the most people on Unemployment (which happens to be women)?
Nothing said about giving new energy research and development a helping hand, yet $335 million for arts and culture?
etc
etc
etc
Harpy and cronies (Iggy, also. Layton is a moron who just pompously airs his objection to anything) convinced me yet again, Ottawa has its head stuffed up its a$$.
 

mt_pockets1000

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Whine, whine, whine. NL has whined ever since Smallwood made a gazillion stupid deals and sold NL's future to Quebec. And what's-his-face (shaheen, wasn't it?), who built Come By Chance which went spectacularly bankrupt (newsflash - when NARL started up, do you know where their crude came from? Research Iraq and oil-for-food and the UN). Etc Etc. And when oil was trading at $140 a barrel, Danny still wanted the Feds to put up more money for the new fields, and wanted equalization payments, too, and wants every bloody thing he can ask for, the meanwhile, he decides that NL doesn't need radiologists, or competent pathologists, or anyone but his buddies running MUN, and by the way, you can charge anything you want to on your legislative expense account, oh, sorry, we got caught, let's cause a big fuss on that one...etc etc etc.
Do you really think ValeInco is going to build the smelter to process Voisey's ore, or is that going to turn to a cluster**** too? I have my bets.

My mother always said if you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all. Well, I never followed that advice. It seems you don't either.

From the tone of your comments I'd say it's not just Danny Williams that pisses you off but the whole province of Newfoundland. You know what buddy, this whole situation started to go south from the day those signatures where placed on the agreement to join Canada back in 1949. Now there's a cluster **** for you. Suddenly it was open season on the rock. Yes we had our share of shady characters running things for far too long. But hang on to your sou'wester my son, she's about to come to a head. Williams will not back down from an injustice and he has a great majority of his people to back him up. And I know that a great majority of people across this country support his stance on many issues. Sure he gets under a lot of peoples skin (present company included of course) but he's not running in a popularity contest. He's simply looking after the best interests of his people, a trait the majority of the politicians in this country are sorely lacking. Do you really think Harper has your best interests at heart? Ha....hang on to your wallet because you are about to be fleeced to help pay for an $80 billion dollar deficit. They just fleeced Newfoundland and Labrador out of $1.5 billion. Who's next?

ValeInco is building a smelter in Newfoundland? You and I both know that's pure BS.
 
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Does anybody see the native traits in the face of the cry baby known as Danny Williams? Or is he just starting to grow tits. God, Danny quite crying and whinning like a girl. Put your big girl panties on and get to work.
 

mt_pockets1000

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Freddie, congratulations. You just managed to insult our aboriginal community and Danny Williams in one sentence. You must be slightly off-center are ya? When do you expect to move out of your momma's basement?
 

justfred

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Did I say there was something wrong with a native face. I asked a question, I guess you have limited ability to read. I am trying to suggest that Danny Williams is a cry baby, whinner, and all the same words that mean he would whine if he got all the money in Canada, he would still want and demand more. Am I to assume that your wife is a biker. Nothing wrong with bikers!
 

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Did I say there was something wrong with a native face. I asked a question, I guess you have limited ability to read.
Then why the reference to native people? It has no relevancy to the context of the OP or any other post in this thread.
I am trying to suggest that Danny Williams is a cry baby, whinner, and all the same words that mean he would whine if he got all the money in Canada, he would still want and demand more.
Did Newfoundland get more than any other province?
Am I to assume that your wife is a biker. Nothing wrong with bikers!
If I were you, I'd quit ASSuming. My wife is Ojibwe, is a shopkeeper, has a 3rd degree in Aikido (hence the comment about landing you on your backside), and she doesn't whine.