Obama and Cuba
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Well, it is an embargo that they want lifted. THEY want the embargo lifted and an eventual return to normalized relations like we have with most countries. They want US investments, and to open their country to US Tourists. As it stands now the way is shut for all those.
So Cuba is not going to dictate to the US the manner in which the embargo is lifted. If they want to go to the table and deal...fine... let's see where it goes. But if they want to pretend it's still 1960 then they can keep waiting.
Actually they are. That is why there is an embargo in the 1st place. In the true spirit of the self-centred neighbourhood bully the US puts pressure on other countries from developing Cuban assets. I can see that in restriction of Canadian corporations doing business with Cuba and the US, it is one or the other. Why would Cuba want a business deal with somebody who is known to exploit their position in the international community. (the US can only punish Cuba as long as the other nations go along with the embargo. In reality that is crooked, thus proving the point that why would anybody want to have any contracts with the US. There was no talk from the US lifting the embargo until there was a significant oil or gas field found. Cuba may opt for the same contracts that countries in South America have with oil-field companies, the majority of the wealth goes to those who live on the top 6 inches of the land the oil. The same should apply to any foreign investor in any country. The US does not like those kinds of contracts, that is why Iraq has not been given an opportunity to adopt it's choice of how any deals go down.
I don't know, I don't get that far south. Did they sell Cuban beverages? In theory Cuba should be the recipients of any mark-up in prices, buy at wholesale (right off the boats) and sell high (golf-course caddies or on the beach). When you have lots of men and lots of money you are going to have lots of hookers. Same as you get lots of bars and lots of hookers beside large military bases (collectively a lot of 'cash').
Escorts (the ones with the cards)in Canada (or where-ever) could get work permits if they paid income tax on the money made there. Offset by business expense forms that are accepted at all tax branches.
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Oh yeah... because Americans NEVER vacation anywhere else. I mean they never go to St. Thomas, Puerto Rico, Barbados, etc. Cuba will be our first vacation spot ever. Gee MHZ you should go work for the Cuban-American transistion team and set this up. You're so clever. [/quote]
True but wouldn't you like a place close to home where you don't have to pretend to be from someplace else. Especially if there are many there that could trip you up as what was 'common knowledge' up there. (saying you are from Canada but don't know which way the tassel of the igloo is supposed to point when you are wearing it and you are on the make, for example)
They would probably be happy with the embargo being lifted so they could do business with a lot more countries than they can today simple because the US thinks they have some right to dictate their decisions that concern their own future. Just because the US would be allowed to bid does not mean they would actually be awarded any contracts that were of any importance.
I'll bet I could find the exact terms, that might clarify if the US can influence other nations from having agreements with Cuba that does not need prior approval of the US. A good neo-con probably has a poster of it on their wall.
Under the embargo? Things are a little tough for the poorest people, that was your intention was it not? One would have to give them about 40 yrs without any embargo or any influence in foreign relations or with any contracts with the US before you could determine how they are doing without US influence.
Well they had a lot of American equipment that could have used spare parts for (like farming tractors) so they never came up with embargo plan, that was the US being a tit, as usual.
Getting the best deal for you own citizens is not hard-ball, hard-ball is resorting to unfair tactics, a trademark of US foreign affairs.
Somehow I doubt they want you to be a Cuban.
God I hope not. I'd really like to see Cuba stay a Canadian hide away. Rightfully or Wrongfully...Canadians do get alot less ship when travelling than Americans. Not throwing flowers at our feet, but just indifference often. And somewhere where we can go and not be mistaken for American's and have to spend 20 minutes explaining to some snooty cab driver that we aren't Americans, didn't vote for Bush and don't care about American Politics.. thats a gem.
Oh they will be making whatever we want them too.
I can just see it now... me sitting down...soaking in that Cuban sun... a cute little Cuban waitress bringing me a nice drink...
"Will that be all Senoir?"
"That will be fine honey...here keep the change."
"What is this?"
"That's a tip. You keep that for yourself."
"Senoir...I've never seen a tip before."
"That doesn't surprise me sweetie."
...a pool full of loud American kids...accidently splashing water on the on the two people with sour faces on as they sit next to their backpacks with Canadian flags sewn on them...
The sooner they lift this embargo the better just for those moments alone.
Well hey...that's the breaks. If this embargo IS INDEED lifted we're coming by the thousands.
Make sure they don't know your handle here, might destroy all those lies you are telling them.
A true Canadian would say "Eh, what's an american?"
Here's part of those embargo conditions.
"The 1963 U.S. embargo was reinforced in October 1992 by the Cuban Democracy Act (the "Torricelli Law") and in 1996 by the Cuban Liberty and Democracy Solidarity Act (known as the Helms-Burton Act) which penalises foreign companies that do business in Cuba by preventing them from doing business in the US. The justification provided for these restrictions was that these companies were trafficking in stolen U.S. properties, and should, thus, be excluded from the United States."
Well isn't that just a right wing fascist kind of attitude - "My way or the highway". Usually, negotiations are a two way street but I know you Yanks like to dictate to the rest of the world.
If you get your way, I would be careful those Cuban waitresses don't poison you Alcool and Tang drinks.
That doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense.
So in the true spirit of Canada why aren't you siding with your beloved Dictator?
Beats me...but it is all they cry about.
Many countries can deal with Cuba. It's our embargo...not the world's.
Those oil fields were discovered LONG ago. I pointed out the date when that first popped up here on CANCON. The article was what... 5 years old? Correct me if I am wrong. Those fields have changed nothing... Cuba wants the embargo lifted and we have not done so. The discovery of oil fields did nothing and nobody else is investing in them.
Well too bad because the Cuban people will most likely see little return... but the government will get it for sure.
Oh please. The sex drive of Americans is no more or less than that of Canadians. I am sure the authorities have a good hold on Cubans and prostitution.
Maybe Canadian Hookers can teach new Cubans ones how to do it then!
Oh that myth again. Must I school you there?
You know what is even more funny is that Canadians put Canadian flags all over their stuff not because they are proud and are showing the flag... but to show what they aren't! That is sad...funny yet sad.
The embargo being lifted would mean a heck of a lot more than bidding on contracts. Again... it is our embargo not the world's. Canada is our closest trading partner and you still have dealings with them. Why aren't they satisfied with that?
And what truly do they have to offer? The oilfield story didn't float and it was no more than a blurb years ago,
neo-con... how cute.
Hey... we have an embargo and we don't deal with Cuban products. Even more so a reason for them not wanting to be too heavy handed at the bargaining table no?
Poorest of the poor? In a Worker's Paradise... how are there poor? The Glorious Revolution did not correct poverty? Well I'll be.
WHO WOULD HAVE KNOWN!
Perhaps the Castro Regime was not all that was cracked up to be seeing how they come to the US on anything that floats.
Another reason to play nice when the time comes. DON'T F with US and we'll see about getting you some spare parts for the combine.
The way that YOU want them to deal with us is and it will back fire.
Somehow I am not a Cuban.
think about it Cliff.
Maybe Dubya will set up a little ranchero in Cuba and start importing livestock...
Nope...can't happen. If he goes outside of the US border he runs the risk of getting arrested and appearing before the world court of Justice in the Hague for war crimes
UP YOURS!
That is what I am saying. I am saying come to the table and negotiate and these guys are saying that Cuba should dictate to the USA how the embargo will be lifted . Cuba WILL not DICTATE to the US how the embargo will be lifted and the US will not get it all there way either. So why don't you take a moment and read what I have been posting there Clifford.
I S E E Y OU H A V E A T O U G H T I M E R E A D I N G S O I W I L L T Y P E S L O W
Those drinks are going to taste so sweet!
I'm all for the Cubans accepting the American apology and lose of face and letting them back in. Hell someone has to try to like them
I'd give it five yrs after the first redneck bible thumper arrives and it'll look like Haiti on it's worst day
I'd give it five yrs after the first redneck bible thumper arrives and it'll look like Haiti on it's worst day
I expect it's American investment they'll avoid like the plague because it comes with a price Cubans have already paid ... sorta like date rape.
LOL
I do disagree though. I think they do want American Investments, perhaps like we have with Vietnam or any other Communist country.
I also think the Cuban Revolution was more than just a revolution against the US. It was a revolution against an oppressive government and the revolutionaries happen to be communist. Just like the war in Vietnam was more than just communism vs. capitalism... it was more a war for unification of Vietnam.