Why did things change?

[talloola]

IslandSpecific,

Up until my forties, when I thought back on my childhood, I thought it sucked. It was depressing to think about it. One day I decided to sit down and try to find something, anything, that was good about it. Well, one thing led to another, like such things tend to do, and guess what? There were a lot of really good times there too!

I was mildly shocked and pleasantly surprised. The exercise changed my life. Our past depends on where we focus your attention and so is our present. Sure, there will be times when things don't go our way or events that seem like really bad luck. But if we look at everything as a lesson to be learned we find that everything has a purpose and no matter how bad they seem, they will all benefit us if we make the effort to learn the lesson. There are no accidents.

Yes, I could do that too, as there were many negative things in my life as a child, I see the good, and there was good, a child must see the
world out there, and embrace it, see beyond the lives of others, and reach
out for a life of your own, and I can see where I did that,in spite of others
around me, who were miserable and battling, for the most part I went about my
business enjoying life, learning about myself, and finding what interested me,
and the town and the school and the opportunities, and most of all the freedom
to come and go, and grow up, 'my way'. We were in a free society, the wars
were 'over there', (europe/japan), and we were allowed to grow up and make
our own lives as we saw fit, 'over there' ,they couldn't, what a huge difference.
The drug gangs didn't exist, now they do, a child must be so careful now, watch
them all the time, can't go alone, stay out of the parks, movies, I was at the
movies all the time, as a child. Sure there were some problems, as some have
pointed out, but the big picture was one of progress and freedom, and the
children of then, became the working moms of today, who are independent,
and have their own power, I grew up with the attitude that I could do anything I
wanted, (didn't have any money), so that was limited, and I never felt dependent
on anyone.
Now, speaking of today, HOW is anyone going get control of the drug problem,
it is huge, it has a vice grip on society, it is worse than any war, and no one seems to be able to control it, what will it be like in 50 years from now.

 

[VanIsle]

IslandSpecific,

Up until my forties, when I thought back on my childhood, I thought it sucked. It was depressing to think about it. One day I decided to sit down and try to find something, anything, that was good about it. Well, one thing led to another, like such things tend to do, and guess what? There were a lot of really good times there too!

I was mildly shocked and pleasantly surprised. The exercise changed my life. Our past depends on where we focus your attention and so is our present. Sure, there will be times when things don't go our way or events that seem like really bad luck. But if we look at everything as a lesson to be learned we find that everything has a purpose and no matter how bad they seem, they will all benefit us if we make the effort to learn the lesson. There are no accidents.

Hi Cliff,
I guess that is kind of my point. I certainly didn't live in a picture perfect family and we had plenty of ups and downs but I wouldn't have traded it. I grew up in a good sized family and my Mom never worked outside the home. Dad made enough to provide for us even though there were some lean days. We had so much fun. I lived about a block or less from the local swimming pool and right next to it was a river. The "uptown" kids all came to the pool all year long while we had the whole river as soon as the ice was off it and we could swim in it. We all became strong swimmers and the very best of friends. I have lived in a different place from all those friends for over 40 yrs. but we still stay in touch. In our 50th year, 3 of those friends came to visit me. Their Mom's were also stay at home Mom's. All of them talked about my Mom and how much they loved her. Each of them thought I came from the best family ever. It's really great to know that your friends love your Mom too. Hardly anyone's Mom worked. Naturally some Mom's were nurses and some were school teachers and some even ran their own businesses or worked in the little local stores. Banks had nearly all women workers except for the "head honchos" who were always men at that time. Not many girls went off to college - lots went off to hairdressing school in fact. I did that and then quit and went home to work in the bank! Out of the 6 of us "kids", only the eldest son went to university. There was no money for extra schooling. He worked and made his own money to go and the others went off to work and married young. Things were just different. I know that kids suffered. Kids suffer today and in that regard, not much has changed. For anyone who really thinks all that stuff is out in the open, it's not. In fact I think as each year passes it gets worse. Sometimes things seem to be so much out in the open that it's almost considered alright for them to occur. Too many things get called an "illness" and we excuse the person by saying they cannot help themselves. We don't need to kill them but we need to excuse them from the rest of the world (not just from the table) and never let them out in society again. People refuse to believe that about 99% (yes Sirrup it's a guess) of these people cannot be rehabilitated. I am talking about pedophiles.
I've seen the good, the bad and the ugly parts of life. I know it isn't all roses. Thanks Cliff. Your words made me feel better.

 

[VanIsle]

Yes, I could do that too, as there were many negative things in my life as a child, I see the good, and there was good, a child must see the
world out there, and embrace it, see beyond the lives of others, and reach
out for a life of your own, and I can see where I did that,in spite of others
around me, who were miserable and battling, for the most part I went about my
business enjoying life, learning about myself, and finding what interested me,
and the town and the school and the opportunities, and most of all the freedom
to come and go, and grow up, 'my way'. We were in a free society, the wars
were 'over there', (europe/japan), and we were allowed to grow up and make
our own lives as we saw fit, 'over there' ,they couldn't, what a huge difference.
The drug gangs didn't exist, now they do, a child must be so careful now, watch
them all the time, can't go alone, stay out of the parks, movies, I was at the
movies all the time, as a child. Sure there were some problems, as some have
pointed out, but the big picture was one of progress and freedom, and the
children of then, became the working moms of today, who are independent,
and have their own power, I grew up with the attitude that I could do anything I
wanted, (didn't have any money), so that was limited, and I never felt dependent
on anyone.
Now, speaking of today, HOW is anyone going get control of the drug problem,
it is huge, it has a vice grip on society, it is worse than any war, and no one seems to be able to control it, what will it be like in 50 years from now.

Well said Talloola. That's exactly the way it was.

 

[JLM]

IslandSpecific,

Up until my forties, when I thought back on my childhood, I thought it sucked. It was depressing to think about it. One day I decided to sit down and try to find something, anything, that was good about it. Well, one thing led to another, like such things tend to do, and guess what? There were a lot of really good times there too!

I was mildly shocked and pleasantly surprised. The exercise changed my life. Our past depends on where we focus your attention and so is our present. Sure, there will be times when things don't go our way or events that seem like really bad luck. But if we look at everything as a lesson to be learned we find that everything has a purpose and no matter how bad they seem, they will all benefit us if we make the effort to learn the lesson. There are no accidents.

Right on Cliff, that has been my experience but what caught my eye is your statement that it all has a purpose, which I agree and hence my belief in God.

 

[TenPenny]

I don't think women want to compete with men. For the most part - they want to beat them (be the best).

That's one of the silliest things I've read.The professional women that I know (dozens of them) want to lead a decent life, have some satisfaction at work, and have a good family life. Competing with, or beating, men has nothing to do with it.Mind you, these women are all highly successful professionals, so maybe that's why it's different for them. They aren't caught up in the middle management image is everything crap. For the most part, they don't care what others think about them.As someone once said: Some women talk about women's rights, equality, yadda yadda. Others just go ahead and get the job done. Who makes more of a difference?

 

[VanIsle]

That's one of the silliest things I've read.The professional women that I know (dozens of them) want to lead a decent life, have some satisfaction at work, and have a good family life. Competing with, or beating, men has nothing to do with it.Mind you, these women are all highly successful professionals, so maybe that's why it's different for them. They aren't caught up in the middle management image is everything crap. For the most part, they don't care what others think about them.As someone once said: Some women talk about women's rights, equality, yadda yadda. Others just go ahead and get the job done. Who makes more of a difference?

You certainly don't have a problem putting in your penny's worth! I agree with women's rights. I disagree with women libbers and you seem to fit right in there.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Watch an episode of "All in the Family" - Every ethnic reference was used by Norman Lear - Archie was loved and pitied - people cheered when he was put in his place by Meathead or Sammy Davis Jr. - I doubt the show could have gotten through the censors today - Then you look at "The Family Guy" - or "The Simpson's" - A much darker humour I think but available as an after school show - Have we matured or not?

MIT, All in the Family would be considered fairly tame stuff today. No doubt the show was avante garde, cutting age for its time. However, today it would be considered an archaic, old fashioned show, we have moved on considerably since that show.

No doubt All in the Family broke a few taboos, especially against racism, anti-Semitism etc. But it left as many taboos in place as it broke. Thus it left homosexuality strictly alone. I recall only one episode where homosexuality was mentioned. One of Edith’s relatives died, and after her death, Edith found out that her relative was a lesbian. Very convenient, very politically correct. It preserved the mold, did not say anything out of the ordinary.

When it came to women’s rights, it partially broke the mold. While Mike was a great supporter of women’s rights, he was positively a male chauvinist when it came to equality within marriage. He used to have running arguments with Gloria; Mike's opinion was that man is very much the boss in marriage. In that respect, he was not different from Archie.

It also left the taboo against premarital sex intact; nobody in the show had premarital sex. It did not even mention contraception such as the pill (I think they did make one show about vasectomy). So All in the Family was a useful show, it was advanced for the times. However, today it would be considered positively insipid.

 

[talloola]

I was a stay at home mom, and I loved it, and was not dependent 'emotionally', but
as I look back now, society put 'stay at home moms' on the back burner, and if
left alone, they didn't have much power, so that has improved.
No woman has to feel 'lesser' than her husband if she stays at home, it is in her head
if she feels that way, and if her husband treats her that way, he is stuck in the past, and has to move forward. Society at that time was 'just that way', but those
people moved out of that mind set, women began to work, or not. As the present
got nearer, society has made it so that a woman can't stay home, the cost of trying to live a normal life is so high that it is impossible for most people. That
is a problem of today, as it is nice for women to be at home 'running' the house
and yard and just 'being' there, it is important, but doesn't mean that a working
mom isn't successful too, depends on the individual family. Some women hate
staying home. I have two daughters who love it, and two who could never be
a stay at home mom, they love to get out and work, and manage the family
that way, and they did it well, all of them, in their own way. There is no rule,
but society has forced moms to work, and that isn't right, it's all about money
now.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

My thing with Sir Joe's statement is that he says there are thousands of priests that are pedophiles - I probably had a half dozen priests in my parish during my youth and none to my knowledge even had a hint of this sexual deviation.

MIT, again, don’t judge something by your subjective experience. You said you knew half a dozen priests, how do you know that any of them were not pedophiles? These things were well hidden in the old days.

Thus, how many homosexuals did you know back then? I think very few people knew any homosexuals at all, yet there probably were as many homosexuals then as there are today. It is just that in the old days, they were firmly in the closet.

Same with pedophiles, they were well hidden in the old days, nobody talked about it. So the fact that you didn’t know any pedophile priests means nothing.

If you see how many sex abuse scandals have been in USA in the Catholic church, I don’t think several thousand priest pedophile sis an unreasonable estimate at all. There were a whole bunch of them in Boston diocese alone. Then look at the several scandals all over USA, in Canada we had the Mount Cashel etc. Plus how many pedophiles were unreported? My guess is quite a few.

So don’t go by the fact that you didn’t know any pedophiles, very few of us did back then, pedophilia was well hidden, swept under the carpet.

 

[karrie]

THOUSANDS? - I have asked before for statistics on the percentage of Catholic Priests that were pedophiles versus the general population - And yes - I am sure some were given a bruising before they were sent cruising for another town be they a scout leader - hockey coach - protestant minister or Catholic Priest

Given the number of Catholic priests worldwide, and the percentage of people who are pedophiles, there are likely thousands of priests who were and are pedophiles. The way he says it is more than a bit sensational, but, I would agree with him. But, your point stands as well... they're no more concentrated than they are in the general public.

 

[JLM]

Given the number of Catholic priests worldwide, and the percentage of people who are pedophiles, there are likely thousands of priests who were and are pedophiles. The way he says it is more than a bit sensational, but, I would agree with him. But, your point stands as well... they're no more concentrated than they are in the general public.

I'm not altogether sure about that last statement, Karrie, but hey 99% of what you say is dead on- ya can't win 'em all. :lol:

 

[karrie]

I'm not altogether sure about that last statement, Karrie, but hey 99% of what you say is dead on- ya can't win 'em all. :lol:

okay, let me clarify.... pedophiles are no more concentrated in the priesthood than they are in any other position of power that exists within the general population. If you can whip out a study which proves otherwise, by all means do so, but not one shred of evidence I've ever seen has shown pedophiles to be more drawn to the priesthood than they are to teaching positions, daycare jobs, little league coaching, etc. Not much of a priest's time is spent with access to kids (especially now adays with the stigma attached to them), and pedophiles are by their nature drawn to positions which will grant them maximum access to kids. Nurses, doctors, police officers, firemen... the list of jobs where kids are taught to trust and respect the person is long.

 

[Stretch]

My thing with Sir Joe's statement is that he says there are thousands of priests that are pedophiles - I probably had a half dozen priests in my parish during my youth and none to my knowledge even had a hint of this sexual deviation.

MIT, again, don’t judge something by your subjective experience. You said you knew half a dozen priests, how do you know that any of them were not pedophiles? These things were well hidden in the old days.

Thus, how many homosexuals did you know back then? I think very few people knew any homosexuals at all, yet there probably were as many homosexuals then as there are today. It is just that in the old days, they were firmly in the closet.

Same with pedophiles, they were well hidden in the old days, nobody talked about it. So the fact that you didn’t know any pedophile priests means nothing.

If you see how many sex abuse scandals have been in USA in the Catholic church, I don’t think several thousand priest pedophile sis an unreasonable estimate at all. There were a whole bunch of them in Boston diocese alone. Then look at the several scandals all over USA, in Canada we had the Mount Cashel etc. Plus how many pedophiles were unreported? My guess is quite a few.

So don’t go by the fact that you didn’t know any pedophiles, very few of us did back then, pedophilia was well hidden, swept under the carpet.

yep and how does homosexuality stand in society today......it's accepted/condoned, hell, we even have same sex marriages and mardi gras to "celebrate" it.
back in the good ol' days it was scorned...people we even murdered because of their sexuality..... in the future pedofilia will be "accepted as well, sadly.

 

[talloola]

Given the number of Catholic priests worldwide, and the percentage of people who are pedophiles, there are likely thousands of priests who were and are pedophiles. The way he says it is more than a bit sensational, but, I would agree with him. But, your point stands as well... they're no more concentrated than they are in the general public.

I feel sorry for the good priests, which are the majority, but the priesthood is
a very easy method for pedophiles to gain access to children, it is not the
fault of the priesthood, but their fear of others knowing about the problem
within their organization caused more problems, it seems today they are not
fearfull of exposing their bad employees, so some progress has been made,
now other professions with the same 'easy' access for these 'monsters', must
close their doors on such behavior.

 

[Stretch]

the governor general of Australia was/is a cardinal in the catholic church, turns out he was instrumental in child sexual abuse in the Australian catholic church....and no-one knew about this before he was made gg??? yeah, right!!!!!
Search Results for govenor general, sexual abuse coverup - Anzwers.com.au


A good friend of mine is a senior sargent in the Qld police force and was sent to a 3 day conference on ped a fil ia and came home livid. He was more pissed off than I had ever seen him before. He thort he was going down to sydney to learn more on how to catch pedos, but it turned out that it was all about getting the term out there and getting the public used to it.

 

[JLM]

okay, let me clarify.... pedophiles are no more concentrated in the priesthood than they are in any other position of power that exists within the general population. If you can whip out a study which proves otherwise, by all means do so, but not one shred of evidence I've ever seen has shown pedophiles to be more drawn to the priesthood than they are to teaching positions, daycare jobs, little league coaching, etc. Not much of a priest's time is spent with access to kids (especially now adays with the stigma attached to them), and pedophiles are by their nature drawn to positions which will grant them maximum access to kids. Nurses, doctors, police officers, firemen... the list of jobs where kids are taught to trust and respect the person is long.

O.K. Karrie- I would agree that the ratio compared to the occupations you mentioned are no worse, but I still contend when compared to the general population, including occupations like, loggers, miners, fisherman, farmers, etc. the statistics for Catholic priests would be worse, although I can't prove it.

 

[VanIsle]

I'm not sticking up for the priesthood here but - thousands? That's pretty extreme. Hundreds maybe but thousands sounds more than a bit overstated. As for other occupations, I'm sure that there are school teachers that run a close second to the priesthood and then coaches. I still believe (and cannot understand why the church is so selfish) Catholic Priests should be allowed to wed. There would be a lot less pedophiles joining the church then as "their cover" would be blown much more easy. It is arrogant on the part of the RC's to believe that priests cannot marry because they cannot devote as much time to God if they do! I know the other churches get their share of pedophiles too but there is a little less chance and any sense of there being less of a chance is worth it.

 

[Stretch]

TV Stunts Verbal Communication In Children

'Toddlers could be screened for speech problems after evidence that many are so addicted to television and video games that they are failing to learn basic communication skills. The decline of the traditional family meal time, the long-hours culture in the parents' workplaces, poor childcare with little stimulation and social deprivation are also being blamed.'
Two-year-olds 'to be screened for speech problems' - Telegraph​

 

[JLM]

" Catholic Priests should be allowed to wed."- I.P. I doubt if being married is going to make any difference to pedophilia, except he'd eventually be doing it to his own kids instead of someone elses. These people are SICK, marriage may stop a guy from going to the ***** house but not pedophilia.

 

[JLM]

" Catholic Priests should be allowed to wed."- I.P. I doubt if being married is going to make any difference to pedophilia, except he'd eventually be doing it to his own kids instead of someone elses. These people are SICK, marriage may stop a guy from going to the ***** house but not pedophilia.

ooooooooh oooooooooh guess I used a bad word.