Antikythera: A 2,000-year-old Greek computer comes back to life

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Antikythera: A 2,000-year-old Greek computer comes back to life

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The mystery of how the Greeks had made a machine that appeared to be 1800 years ahead of its time and why that knowledge was seemingly lost is fascinating.


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I hope someone makes a kit to build one of these because I want one!!!!!!!
2000-year-old Antikythera computer comes back to life | Science | guardian.co.uk
 

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awesome machine. Must have seemed unbelievable at the time

That's a strange thing to say Herm. I think what you mean is that it seems strange to you now at this time to think of something so advanced from that time. There's nothing so scrambled as conventional history. Why would it have been unbelievable to those who built designed and built it?


  • Though it is more than 2,000 years old, the Antikythera Mechanism represents a level that our technology did not match until the 18th century, and must therefore rank as one of the greatest basic mechanical inventions of all time. I hope this book will rekindle interest in this artefact, which still remains under-rated.Arthur C. Clarke
 

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I do think it's quite advanced, although it's a logical thing for them to build, considering they were obsessed with the universe and astronomy. They had the math and they had the technology and they had the engineers and scientists. It's totally believable from my point of view. What must have been amazing for the common people of the day is that some fellow with a peice of metal which moves in funny ways can tell you when mercury will be visible and where
 

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There are many such anachronistic devices and constructions, most are completely left out of wide discussion by design.
Can you justify that claim? I seriously doubt it's by design, it seems more likely to me that most archeologists just don't know much about engineering and thus may not recognize a significant piece of engineering when they find one. There was no industrial capacity for producing geared mechanisms 2000 years ago, so things like this Antikythera device are very rare and unexpected, they're hand-made one-offs, not really significant artifacts in terms of the culture of their time. I'd immediately agree that we often tend to underestimate our ancient ancestors' capabilities, and Erich von Daniken is probably the most insulting offender in that context, but it's no surprise to me that some ancient Greek genius could build such a device.
 

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Ok, the "Greek Computer" and the "Greek Robot" are interesting little devices..... but they are certainly not anything remotely clost to a computer or a robot.

This Greek Computer isn't anymore of a computer then some cowboy's pocket watch from the 1800's, in fact, it's even less, since it isn't automated and you have to manually turn the knob for it to work the whole time.

And the Greek Robot?

Not really anymore different then a typical coo-coo clock that uses a chain to power itself, or one of them little boats you used to get as a kid with the elastic band that powers the propeller in the back.


There's nothing robotic about that two wheels on a stick and string in the sense of what most would consider as a robot these days..... not even close.

And the thing with the gears that determines the alignments of planets/stars, I've seen in the past, and it is interesting and seems pretty advanced for the era it was created in..... but it's not a computer anymore then your standard old fashion pocket watch is a computer.

I could see putting it into the mechanical category, but it sure ain't no computer.
 

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a computer is something which computes. This device, in a very analogue fashion computes the position of the planets at a specific time. So what if you have to manually power it? That just means it still works when the power's off. It certainly is a computer, just as your pocket watch is.

The word robot comes from the czech word for forced labour, or slavery. So basically anything which does a job for you in an independant fashion is a robot. Now admittedly these things only ran for a few minutes on their own but that's still robotic in my opinion. They were also programmable in that the same robot could be made to do different things each time it was set up. To some extent that's what sets these devices aside from the ones you showed in your picture, but there is a case to be made for calling those robots too, since you could program them to go backwards.
 

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a computer is something which computes. This device, in a very analogue fashion computes the position of the planets at a specific time. So what if you have to manually power it? That just means it still works when the power's off. It certainly is a computer, just as your pocket watch is.

But the information is static in both a pocket watch and this device they created. To me, besides the mechanical gears that make it move, it's still no more different then a sun dial based on the information it provides, yet would you consider a sun dial as a computer? Yes, the first technical computer I believe just coded in zeros and ones and could only do basic calculations and the sort. Now it too had to have its information preprogrammed and determined for it to work, much like this device, but why did the term Computer start to take form with the first computer and everything else before that was basically called a machine?

With an old clock, a sun dial, or even this greek device, the information is static and set based on it's design.... there is no computing required and certainly no more then a paper calender hanging on your wall..... the only difference is that it is mechanical..... but it's not doing any calculations. The gears move to reposition the pointers to where they were already predetermined by a human when designing it.... there is no central processing unit, there is no calculations, anymore then an old wooden abacus counter.



The word robot comes from the czech word for forced labour, or slavery. So basically anything which does a job for you in an independant fashion is a robot. Now admittedly these things only ran for a few minutes on their own but that's still robotic in my opinion. They were also programmable in that the same robot could be made to do different things each time it was set up. To some extent that's what sets these devices aside from the ones you showed in your picture, but there is a case to be made for calling those robots too, since you could program them to go backwards.

those rubber band boats could also be programmed to go backwards by just simply spinning the propeller in the opposite direction then normal.... it might not work as effectively as it would going forwards, but it's the exact same principle in design.

and you mentioned "basically anything which does a job for you in an independant fashion is a robot."

What Job does this stick on a couple of wheels and a string do to classify it as a robot? It doesn't seem all that sturdy to drag around anything heavy or useful, and back then, I imagine dirt roads would have done a number on this device.

Quite honestly, it'd probably be more practical and take less energy to do the job yourself then it would be to string this thing up, revolve the string to make it move, set the weight/direction, etc..... only for it to move a few feet away and then end up having to do it all over again for another few feet.

They're interesting devices, but I feel using the term Robot and Computer is a bit exaggerated based on what they are.