Harper poised to appoint 18 Senators

#juan

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Well can't figure out your pitiful math:

Liberal PMs
Trudeau. 7 Conservatives appointed
St. Laurent, 1 Conservative appointed

Conservative PMs
Meighen, 1 liberal appionted
Borden, 3 liberals appointed
MacDonald, 10 liberals appointed


Hmmmm, thats 14 vs 8......

It does require a certain minimum intelligence to read a list of prime ministers and how many senators they each appointed. Btw, there is no math involved.
 

pegger

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So, Harper introduced an economic update that didn't have a deficit......

If you read it carefully - and do some basic math - there IS a deficit.

The final line of the "fiscal update" is 100,000,000 (100 million) surplus.
In the revenues are already counted 10,000,000,000 (10 Billion) in sales of assets - sales that have not happened yet - on unspecified assets. As the sales have not happened, they should be backed out of the calculation - which means a $9.9 Billion deficit.

Also, selling $10 B in capital assets to fund an operating budget is lunacy. Harper talks about not have a structural deficit - but we have if we are selling assets to support operating expenses.
 

L Gilbert

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Good day Harper, we are not talking about the legitimacy of the senators but rather the unqualified opportunity Harper chose to take in an effort to gather some indirect support in the house... So, when you take a look at the timing you will see that #1 the fact that parliament is stopped and Harper is going through the back door to implement a situation that will only benefit the Con party says nothing about Harper coming into a second chicken little term looking to help Canadians.
Instead the loser is pulling all the stops to create more criticism about his opponents.
And #2 when in fact the countries business has been put on the back burner...
Who is the hypocrite here.....................Do you support sneaky mentality?
Sneaky mentality? In politicians? Nooooooooooooooooo. Say it isn't so. Get a grip. Cons are as bad as Glibs are as bad as Naive Dense Pussies are as bad as Greenies are as bad as ....... (politically speaking, I mean).
They ALL have underhanded tricks, are misinformative, etc.
 

L Gilbert

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As far as deficits and surpluses go, I don't give a crap. What matters to me is the debt. Obviously if the debt is reduced, then the wasted money it takes to service the debt is reduced. That is of far more importance than whether the budget is a balanced one or not.
 

Risus

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If you read it carefully - and do some basic math - there IS a deficit.

The final line of the "fiscal update" is 100,000,000 (100 million) surplus.
In the revenues are already counted 10,000,000,000 (10 Billion) in sales of assets - sales that have not happened yet - on unspecified assets. As the sales have not happened, they should be backed out of the calculation - which means a $9.9 Billion deficit.

Also, selling $10 B in capital assets to fund an operating budget is lunacy. Harper talks about not have a structural deficit - but we have if we are selling assets to support operating expenses.

What we need to get rid of is the waste of public money in the funding of the political parties....
 

pegger

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What we need to get rid of is the waste of public money in the funding of the political parties....

I'm OK with this - so long as ALL public funding goes - including the tax write offs that donations to political parties get, as well as the $1.95 per vote. Also, the rebate on campaign expenses should also be eliminated. If all 3 are not canceled, it is disingenuous to eliminate one and not the others.

Consistency, my friend. Consistency.
 

Socrates the Greek

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Sneaky mentality? In politicians? Nooooooooooooooooo. Say it isn't so. Get a grip. Cons are as bad as Glibs are as bad as Naive Dense Pussies are as bad as Greenies are as bad as ....... (politically speaking, I mean).
They ALL have underhanded tricks, are misinformative, etc.


Good day LG, agree both or any party is capable in performing as Naive Dense Pussies, the great irony is Governments act as the economic broker for the country and when in power they secure a life long income while many times they showed a poor report card on benefiting the people.
 

L Gilbert

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Good day LG, agree both or any party is capable in performing as Naive Dense Pussies, the great irony is Governments act as the economic broker for the country and when in power they secure a life long income while many times they showed a poor report card on benefiting the people.
Quite right. I think we should get rid of federal government. Perhaps replace it with a consortium of a few people from each province & territory who can discuss and apply things to the benefit of the country rather than have parties that seem to only be able to battle back and forth and mess everything up.
 

Risus

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Quite right. I think we should get rid of federal government. Perhaps replace it with a consortium of a few people from each province & territory who can discuss and apply things to the benefit of the country rather than have parties that seem to only be able to battle back and forth and mess everything up.

What a rediculuous suggestion. Every province would be out for themselves (like quebec...) and nothing would get done.
 

Francis2004

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I think this is another poorly calculated risk being taken by Harper at an ill conceived time. When you think about it, this will not give him the Majority in the Senate house and will break a promise he made of Electing and not appointing Senators. If he goes to an forced election, this will be added ammunition for the opposition to prove he is not fit for power.. Truly it is not a wise move for him to do this right after the fiasco of proroguing Parliament, a move designed to avoid a non-confidence motion after only two weeks into a new session..
 

Adriatik

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Even if Harper is able to appoint 18 Senators, it will not change anything...

Liberal-appointed senators will still form the majority of the Senate.

Canada's Senate consists of 87 seats and 57 currently belong to the Liberals.

Nice try Steve but too little too late....
 

Adriatik

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What a rediculuous suggestion. Every province would be out for themselves (like quebec...) and nothing would get done.

It's no secret that each province is out for itself, to deny it would be pure hypocracy. That is not about to change, the provinces will always seek to improve their situation.

Quebec is the only province that's not affraid to act upon this principle. There is nothing wrong with a regional population making its voice heard...

The madness will only stop the day people are able to admit that each province is different in its own way and accept to run the country as such..
 

Ron in Regina

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It's no secret that each province is out for itself, to deny it would be pure hypocracy. That is not about to change, the provinces will always seek to improve their situation.

Quebec is the only province that's not affraid to act upon this principle. There is nothing wrong with a regional population making its voice heard...

The madness will only stop the day people are able to admit that each province is different in its own way and accept to run the country as such..


I agree with you. Yours is the best arguement I've heard yet for a Western Canadian
voting BlocK. There is nothing wrong with a regional population making its voice heard...
and Quebec has 1/4 of the population of the country to do that with.

BC,AB,SK,&MB together as a BlocK would have a Maximum of 92 seats. If half of the
seats go to this BlocK, it too would have a voice. If more seats vote into the BlocK, the
larger its voice and influence. I like it. Thank You.
 

mit

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I agree with you. Yours is the best arguement I've heard yet for a Western Canadian
voting BlocK. There is nothing wrong with a regional population making its voice heard...
and Quebec has 1/4 of the population of the country to do that with.

BC,AB,SK,&MB together as a BlocK would have a Maximum of 92 seats. If half of the
seats go to this BlocK, it too would have a voice. If more seats vote into the BlocK, the
larger its voice and influence. I like it. Thank You.

Ontario checks your 18 senators and adds 21 MP's courtesy of the Western Darling PM STEVE. Whats up with that? I thought we had an economic crisis!
:angryfire:
 

Adriatik

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I agree with you. Yours is the best arguement I've heard yet for a Western Canadian
voting BlocK. There is nothing wrong with a regional population making its voice heard...
and Quebec has 1/4 of the population of the country to do that with.

BC,AB,SK,&MB together as a BlocK would have a Maximum of 92 seats. If half of the
seats go to this BlocK, it too would have a voice. If more seats vote into the BlocK, the
larger its voice and influence. I like it. Thank You.

Well my argument may be best to you but the way our current system works, each province's voice is competing against the other and this system clearly doesn't work hence the eternal pursuit of representation by Quebec and the West.

If each province was given most of the legislative powers and united with the others for defense, currency and banking, and common goals like Health care, their voices wouldn't have to compete in Ottawa. Each province needs to have more control over its affairs in its provincial legislature.

I hope more and more people will realize the advantages of each province running most of the its own show and being represented in Ottawa for common needs and goals.
 
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