NDP betrayed new voters...

[JLM]

Amazing you would say this, living in BC.

If I recall BC under the NDP has the best economy and no homeless on the streets of Vancouver sleeping in doorways of stores on Robson St.

20 years ago when I left Canada, Canada was rated number 1 by the United Nations as the best place in the world to live.

I think that was because Canadians actually cared about their fellow man, we were not as obnoxious or thought we were better than anyone else.

The younger generation has been Americanized by U.S. television, the Simpsons, and the attitude that we can abuse and use up all our resources without paying the consequences later.

They have become a greedy and selfish generation.

Since I have returned to Canada 3 years ago I see a changed country, where people have been sucked in by the Conservative ideology, less caring towards other cultures, races, religion and the poor.

Trickle down economy, what a farce. Guess that didn't work so well, the rich got richer and the poor even poorer, Canada's economic future in the hole... the poor and middle class has no cash to spend and 60 thousand jobs lost in Ontario.

Well, those jobs can be moved offshore to China, Mexico or Brazil for cheaper wages in the name of globalization and NAFTA. When Canadians learn to compete with wages earned in China and Mexico... those jobs will come back... don't worry.

:angryfire: o.k. my rant is done....

We did have a good N.D.P. Gov't in B.C. from 1972-1975 under Dave Barrett- good legislation was put in place that survives today. But Dave made one fatal mistake, he thought he was going to put the kibosh on greed and various other types of nefarious activity, but of course those engaging in such had money and weren't going to stand for it, so goodbye Dave. Since then we've had two more terms of N.D.P. Gov't that were mainly a disaster, the one leader was too nice and the other was too egotistical.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

There has never been such a thing as a successful Dipper government. Unless you consider raising taxes, loosing jobs and businesses and grossly inflating debt as a success.

As I said, broad sweeping generalizations that prove to everyone here that you know nothing about politics, and even less about the NDP.

Roy Romanow of Saskatchewan cleaned up the mess left by PC Premier Grant Devine, and Lorne Calvert was led Saskatchewan out of "have not" status.

Gary Doer has been Premier in Manitoba for almost 10 years because again, his predecessor, PC Premier Gary Filmon left such a mess.

And as Colpy pointed out, Saskatchewan under Tommy Douglas was probably the most successful provincial government in the history of Canada, in terms of the amount and scope of services and infrastructure created while balancing budgets.

Kind of an interesting anecdote: My mother is from a small town in Saskatchewan and went to the same school in Weyburn as Tommy's daughter Shirley...at the same time, but not in the same grade...

 

[JLM]

As I said, broad sweeping generalizations that prove to everyone here that you know nothing about politics, and even less about the NDP.

Roy Romanow of Saskatchewan cleaned up the mess left by PC Premier Grant Devine, and Lorne Calvert was led Saskatchewan out of "have not" status.

Gary Doer has been Premier in Manitoba for almost 10 years because again, his predecessor, PC Premier Gary Filmon left such a mess.

And as Colpy pointed out, Saskatchewan under Tommy Douglas was probably the most successful provincial government in the history of Canada, in terms of the amount and scope of services and infrastructure created while balancing budgets.

Kind of an interesting anecdote: My mother is from a small town in Saskatchewan and went to the same school in Weyburn as Tommy's daughter Shirley...

N.D.P. Gov't.s work well in a society where everyone is intent on doing their share and working for common good, but unfortunately these days there are too many parasite, drones, troublemakers and ripoff artists.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

N.D.P. Gov't.s work well in a society where everyone is intent on doing their share and working for common good, but unfortunately these days there are too many parasite, drones, troublemakers and ripoff artists.

Agreed...and the unsubstantiated vilification of socialism continues, even from those that have benefited from it...

 

[Tyr]

We did have a good N.D.P. Gov't in B.C. from 1972-1975 under Dave Barrett- good legislation was put in place that survives today. But Dave made one fatal mistake, he thought he was going to put the kibosh on greed and various other types of nefarious activity, but of course those engaging in such had money and weren't going to stand for it, so goodbye Dave. Since then we've had two more terms of N.D.P. Gov't that were mainly a disaster, the one leader was too nice and the other was too egotistical.

Dave Barrett

Barrett's NDP government was criticized for its spending, quickly taking the government from surplus to debt

It was taxes that cost Barrett the election

 

[JLM]

Dave Barrett

Barrett's NDP government was criticized for its spending, quickly taking the government from surplus to debt

It was taxes that cost Barrett the election

Maybe BUT I think what Dave did re A.L.R. has given us a few years head start toward going green today. By bringing in I.C.B.C. he did put the run on a lot of unscrupulous Insurance Cos. (like Allstate), but I guess there's a lot who debate all this today.

 

[Ron in Regina]

As I said, broad sweeping generalizations that prove to everyone here that you know nothing about politics, and even less about the NDP.

Roy Romanow of Saskatchewan cleaned up the mess left by PC Premier Grant Devine, and Lorne Calvert was led Saskatchewan out of "have not" status.

Gary Doer has been Premier in Manitoba for almost 10 years because again, his predecessor, PC Premier Gary Filmon left such a mess.

And as Colpy pointed out, Saskatchewan under Tommy Douglas was probably the most successful provincial government in the history of Canada, in terms of the amount and scope of services and infrastructure created while balancing budgets.

Kind of an interesting anecdote: My mother is from a small town in Saskatchewan and went to the same school in Weyburn as Tommy's daughter Shirley...at the same time, but not in the same grade...

8th Circle, 7th Bolgia must be closer to me than I thought!!! Tommy Douglas (CCF), if he was
still around, would be 105 years old at this point. In your opinion, during this Coalition fiasco
last week, do you think Tommy would have dragged Jack Layton (NDP) out back of the barn
and put the boots to him? Just curious as to your answer.

 

[B00Mer]

If I recall BC under the NDP has the best economy and no homeless on the streets of Vancouver sleeping in doorways of stores on Robson St.


Huh????

Have you ever lived in BC? I think you would have to go back about 30 yrs before you would have an environment where we didn't have "homelessness"

yup, I did live in Vancouver... "the best city in Canada." ;-)

aah, yeah.. 20 years ago. :angry3:

 

[Tyr]

yup, I did live in Vancouver... "the best city in Canada." ;-)

aah, yeah.. 20 years ago. :angry3:

"the best city in Canada."

Vancouver is still far and away the best city in Canada and in fact consistently rates in the top 5 world wide.

Toronto - doesn't even hit the top 30, same with Montreal. After that, we really don't have any major cities

Sorry Colpy - St. John doesn't cut it

 

[JLM]

No- Grand Forks is.

 

[taxslave]

No- Grand Forks is.

Thanks JLM. Hopefully the imports will move there.I am sure that all those easterners would hate my island: I hope so anyway as it is getting much too crowded now. You can barley fire off a rifle anymore without tripping over 50 bureaucrats.-P

 

[JLM]

Thanks JLM. Hopefully the imports will move there.I am sure that all those easterners would hate my island: I hope so anyway as it is getting much too crowded now. You can barley fire off a rifle anymore without tripping over 50 bureaucrats.-P

You're not kidding, taxslave, we moved off it almost 10 years ago after spending over 3/4 of my life in various places up and down the Island.

 

[Colpy]

"the best city in Canada."

Vancouver is still far and away the best city in Canada and in fact consistently rates in the top 5 world wide.

Toronto - doesn't even hit the top 30, same with Montreal. After that, we really don't have any major cities

Sorry Colpy - St. John doesn't cut it

It is not St. John, but Saint John, always spelled out to differentiate us from St. John's.........

Vancouver is a beautiful city, although the last time I was there was 1978, I believe.

Never been in Toronto.

I lived briefly in Montreal....loved the place.

 

[barney]

If the NDP/Liberals formed a coalition and Michael Ignatieff was going to be PM, I would be 100% behind this, a "vote of no confidence."

So.......now that you've got your wish and Ignatieff (a man who has spent much of his life outside of Canada, has almost no political experience and has close ties to big oil and both the Canadian and American elite) has replaced Dion (a man who has lived in Canada his whole life, who has immense political experience and has few ties to the Canadian elite), I guess it's all over for Harper as far as you're concerned huh?

Quite frankly I would say that if they have betrayed voters, only now has the NDP really done so: Ignatieff is against almost everything the NDP represents. Dion's vision was far closer to that of the NDP, so the coalition made sense from a leadership point of view.

Never been in Toronto.

Lucky you. Unless you like dealing with savagely money-obsessed snobs, free-for-all development, endless suburbs and a lot of immigrants desperately trying to make enough to buy a home in their country of origin, don't bother going--your life will be better as a result.

Granted, that urban hell hole has been in large part due to the ex-premier Mike Harris' (PC) nightmarish reign, not ex-premier Bob Rae's (NDP) screw-ups--of which the present McGuinty Liberals have done little to address.

Btw, the NDP is dying in Ontario. Since Rae they can't get ahead at all. Opponenets use Rae at every turn; "Ok being socially responsible is all fine and good...but lest we forget what Rae did ooooooo" and so on. Granted, their platform is rapidly collecting dust. Perhaps they could learn a thing or two about how to win and not sit on one's hands from good 'ol Tommy.