The agenda that threatens Canada: Two telltale speeches by Stephen Harper

[Cliffy]

I have heard it said that since Quebec did not sign the constitution or the charter, that neither documents are valid. It seems to me that if Quebec is not a signatory and the constitution is still valid, then they can't be a part of Canada. And, according to the BNA act, sovereignty was granted to the provinces and that Canada is a confederation of sovereign provinces, not really a country.

I also understand that, according to the BNA act, the federal government was not given any right (or denied the right) to make laws or collect taxes and that the federal government later amended the act to say they can. Now, what gives then the right to amend the BNA act? What gave Trudeau the right to write a constitution and have the Queen approve to have it brought it home without the input or approval of the Canadian electorate?

It seems to me, and I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination, that neither the constitution or the government of Canada have any validity or standing in international law. If so, what the hell does Harper think he is doing? He has no power to suspend an illegal parliament because his possition is nothing more than a bit player in a two bit play.

Are there any experts in international law who can refute what I am saying? I'm not saying that any of this is true but this is what I have been told and I find this just a little disturbing. If these alogations have any validity, our entire country and government are a bad dime store novel. We are living in a fiction based on false assumptions.

 

[Colpy]

[Adriatik;1024476]Colpy, your allegations of the coaliton promising the Bloc that Federal services in QC would only be in French is a nice, hot, steamy pile of Bull...

Where did you get that info or should I say were you on drugs when you made this up?

Well. it was broadcast on CTV News a week ago, so unless their news people were all on drugs as well........here is where I first posted, and if you look down the thread, you will see other people heard the same news on different media......it is the truth, as far as I know.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...servatives-hello-coalition-s.html#post1019100

In fact, you are the first I have had deny its truth.

Not that it matters.....the Coalition is dead.

Do you honestly think that the Liberals who by the way get most of their Quebec support from Anglo-Quebecers, would promise this? Hardly...

I think the Liberals would sell their souls to regain power..........or most of them. The reason the Coalition is dead is some Liberals have found their conscience and their cojones.....and will either not appear on vote day, or vote with the gov't.

The very idea of someone making that kind of story to prove fanatic points is sickening....

Perhaps you should check out the facts before you start puking....

Colpy I remember seeing under your name once before that you are from New Brunswick...

We know that New Brunswick's government is offically bilingual, if your province is that bilingual, you should be able to understand this:

On dirait que la personalité de Harper deteint sur toi et tous ceux qui lui donnent leur support. Les mensonges qui sortent de ta bouche sont disgracieux et sont un isulte pour l'intelligence des gens sur ce forum.... Tu ne peux aucunement prouver tes propos par rapport aux promesses offertes au Bloc par les Liberaux et la NPD...

Arrête les mensonges s'il-te-plait, on en a déja eu assez de Harper.

[/QUOTE]

Ahhhh....my province is bilingual.....I'm unilingual English.....more proof Canada is NOT a bilingual country....:lol:

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Personally, most French speakers don't know English, and most English-speakers don't know French

Nor are they required to...this has nothing to do with our bilingualism though...

What's apparent is that you think you know the meaning of the term, while in fact you do not.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Well. it was broadcast on CTV News a week ago, so unless their news people were all on drugs as well........here is where I first posted, and if you look down the thread, you will see other people heard the same news on different media......it is the truth, as far as I know.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...servatives-hello-coalition-s.html#post1019100

In fact, you are the first I have had deny its truth.

I'll be the second...

Bloc would be key partner in coalition government

Many of the areas in which the three parties have pledged to work together - such as help for older workers who lose their jobs, dropping the two-week waiting period for employment-insurance payments, and reversing funding cuts for the arts and non-profit local economic development groups - could have been cut and pasted right out of the Bloc's platform.

Not seeing anything about amending language laws here...

I've done searches on several news sites, with a wide range of search criteria, and have not found any report of the coalition agreeing to change language laws.

No one but you has reported this as far as I can tell...

Seems you've latched onto something some conservative has said and held it as gospel...

Maybe you should be more careful when listening to conservative weasles...

 

[pgs]

Well mr. adriatic i quess you have never been to Maillardville B.C.

that is west of Sask for your info.

no french population there .

 

[Adriatik]

Translation:

It would be said that the personality To grip fades on you and all those which give him their support. The lies which leave your mouth are disgraceful and are an insult for the intelligence of people on this forum…. You cannot at all prove your remarks compared to the promises offered to the Bloc by the Liberals and the NDP…

Stop the lies it-you-likes itself, one already had enough of it To grip.

I'm sorry I should have translated my French portion of the post myself. Scratch your translation is pretty good, good job, but it's not exactly perfect...

What I exactly wrote is:


It seems that Harper's personality has stained onto you and all those who support him. The lies coming out of your mouth are disgraceful and are an insult to the intelligence of the people on this forum... You can't at all prove your comments regarding the promise made to the Bloc by the Liberals and NDP.

Please stop the lies, we've already had enough from Harper..

 

[Adriatik]

Well. it was broadcast on CTV News a week ago, so unless their news people were all on drugs as well........here is where I first posted, and if you look down the thread, you will see other people heard the same news on different media......it is the truth, as far as I know.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/c...servatives-hello-coalition-s.html#post1019100

In fact, you are the first I have had deny its truth.

Not that it matters.....the Coalition is dead.



I think the Liberals would sell their souls to regain power..........or most of them. The reason the Coalition is dead is some Liberals have found their conscience and their cojones.....and will either not appear on vote day, or vote with the gov't.



Perhaps you should check out the facts before you start puking....

Ahhhh....my province is bilingual.....I'm unilingual English.....more proof Canada is NOT a bilingual country....:lol:[/quote]


Right, you heard on the news that the coalition was going to promise French federal service only in Quebec... Funny, just as Vanni Fucci noticed, there were not reports on various news sites. That would have surely made headlines.

Maybe you heard something on the news about it during a discussion with political panelists and was most likely speculation. Anyway, by now you should understand that you shouldn't believe everything you hear on TV.

I am not the first to deny your lies but if it makes you feel better to believe it, congrats!

I will continue puking since I have checked the facts and have not swallowed these speculative discussions on TV.

It seems that you will believe anything you hear and I guess that's your choice.

The bottom line is that we're going to hear a lot of crap in the next months on TV about parliament, my Bullsh!t filter is standing by...

 

[Adriatik]

Adriatik,

Actually,

I could not have done it any other way because I wasn't inside your head.

That's what makes translations difficult.

regards scratch

Yes I agree, still good job on your translation..

 

[Colpy]

Ahhhh....my province is bilingual.....I'm unilingual English.....more proof Canada is NOT a bilingual country....:lol:

Right, you heard on the news that the coalition was going to promise French federal service only in Quebec... Funny, just as Vanni Fucci noticed, there were not reports on various news sites. That would have surely made headlines.

Maybe you heard something on the news about it during a discussion with political panelists and was most likely speculation. Anyway, by now you should understand that you shouldn't believe everything you hear on TV.

I am not the first to deny your lies but if it makes you feel better to believe it, congrats!

I will continue puking since I have checked the facts and have not swallowed these speculative discussions on TV.

It seems that you will believe anything you hear and I guess that's your choice.

The bottom line is that we're going to hear a lot of crap in the next months on TV about parliament, my Bullsh!t filter is standing by...

[/QUOTE]
Well, It may have been untrue..........I don't know......but it was reported as fact on more than one media outlet, including CTV News. If you go back and take a look at the original thread, you will see that I was not the only one that heard it......and I simply don't doubt that Dion , seeking NOT to be the first Liberal leader in 120 years to fail to be PM, and Layton, who is a complete idiot, would agree to that.......

Do you really think Duceppe is in the Coalition (and yes, I mean IN the coalition, he signed the damned accord), for the good of Canada????????

BTW, I don't appreciate being called a liar by ssome Johnny-Come-lately. I've been around here for awhile, and yes, I'm sort of the resident right wing Conservative gun-toting looney......but much as some here disagree with me, I don't believe any of them would call me "liar".

Apologies cheerfully accepted either here in the public forum, or by PM.

 

[Adriatik]

Well, It may have been untrue..........I don't know......but it was reported as fact on more than one media outlet, including CTV News. If you go back and take a look at the original thread, you will see that I was not the only one that heard it......and I simply don't doubt that Dion , seeking NOT to be the first Liberal leader in 120 years to fail to be PM, and Layton, who is a complete idiot, would agree to that.......

Do you really think Duceppe is in the Coalition (and yes, I mean IN the coalition, he signed the damned accord), for the good of Canada????????

BTW, I don't appreciate being called a liar by ssome Johnny-Come-lately. I've been around here for awhile, and yes, I'm sort of the resident right wing Conservative gun-toting looney......but much as some here disagree with me, I don't believe any of them would call me "liar".

Apologies cheerfully accepted either here in the public forum, or by PM. [/quote]

The Bloc supports the coaltion but no is not in it you're right. The only reason that the Bloc didn't sign the coalition deal and only accepted to support it is because they weren't going to have cabinet ministers. The coalition knew that if the Bloc had cabinet ministers it would have caused an uproar since people seem the think that Quebecers don't deserve having their representatives in Cabinet, that would be way too dangerous now wouldn't it?

I think that no politician is in a position right now to advance partisan agendas so I hardly can believe that the coalition promised what you claim to have heard.. As far as we all know, the only ones proven to have tried to advance their partisan policies are the Conservatives.

Now let's get something straight, you say that I am nothing more than a Johhny-Come-Lately because I just registered to this forum. Well I hardly believe that the simple fact that you've been around for a while makes a difference. It doesn't make you better than anyone and it definitely doesn't give you more credit.

Now, aparently for believing what you claim seeing on the news only proves that your Bullsh!t filter is not working. I'm a little sorry for calling you a liar but only because you are a victim of the media. However, your further spreading of the lies you heard makes me want to take back my apology..

 

[darkbeaver]

Should I feel bad for not belonging to a union?

If you take the time to do the research you will find that over the average course of a working life the union worker earns 35% more than the non-union worker. This is a long standing international norm. So if you feel good about your non-union career you are dumb as a post, but you'll always have a below scale job in a dirty dangerous factory to walk to.:lol:

 

[Adriatik]

If you take the time to do the research you will find that over the average course of a working life the union worker earns 35% more than the non-union worker. This is a long standing international norm. So if you feel good about your non-union career you are dumb as a post, but you'll always have a below scale job in a dirty dangerous factory to walk to.:lol:

I agree with you..

I can't believe that in our day and age, some people still can't see the advantages of unions representing workers. It is also important to understand that unions also have their disadvantages.

On one hand, if it weren't for unions, some Canadians would still be forced to work 60-80 hours a week in a dirty unsafe factory with no vacation, no statutory holidays and very low wages like at the turn of the 20th century. Workers wouldn't have the right to strike and employers would be able to lock out their workers anytime they wanted. Basically, workers would have NO RIGHTS if weren't for unions. Canadians have the right to not be abused by their boss and have the right to have time to spend with their families. Unions ensure this.. Whoever denies it is a fool. Companies are forgetting that it's the workers providing them with their precious profits and making their CEOs and directors rich. Unions make sure we can all work our comfortable 40 hours a week and get our due benefits to remain healthy and have time to spend with our families. I am thankful for unions for their original purpose: to protect the workers from being abused by their employer.

However on the other hand, unions have recently been changed into a net that protects slackers and prevents skillful people from advancing quickly in a company.

I for one do not believe in the concept of seniority in a workplace. My mentality is that if I've been working for a company 6 months for example and have more skills and excel more than someone who's been there 5 years, I should have default right to get a promotion first regardless of seniority. I want quick advancement, I don't want to have to wait 5 years to get out of an entry level position. I don't want to have to work late shifts and work weekends for 2-3 years before having a good schedule. If I prove my skills and show my employer that I surpass my colleagues, I strongly believe that I am entitled to being provided with better schedules and higher wages as a reward. Advancement should be based on performance, not seniority. Unions prevent this from happening.

Overall though, unions do protect the worker but need to be modified to allow workers who excel to advance quickly in companies.

 

[Adriatik]

Yes I agree, still good job on your translation..

Too bad you had to use the babel fish translator to translate it... LOL Priceless...

 

[Tyr]

Adriatik

"Well I hardly believe that the simple fact that you've been around for a while makes a difference."

He was referring to his age

 

[Tyr]

If you take the time to do the research you will find that over the average course of a working life the union worker earns 35% more than the non-union worker. This is a long standing international norm. So if you feel good about your non-union career you are dumb as a post, but you'll always have a below scale job in a dirty dangerous factory to walk to.:lol:

I guess that applies if you work in a "typical" union infested environment. If not the wage issue is immaterial.

Myself, I consider unioned workers as "not the brightest lights in the Chritmas Tree". I've had unioned workers as employees and my observation is that unions stifle initiative and reward mediocraty

 

[Tyr]

I agree with you..

I can't believe that in our day and age, some people still can't see the advantages of unions representing workers. It is also important to understand that unions also have their disadvantages.

On one hand, if it weren't for unions, some Canadians would still be forced to work 60-80 hours a week in a dirty unsafe factory with no vacation, no statutory holidays and very low wages like at the turn of the 20th century. Workers wouldn't have the right to strike and employers would be able to lock out their workers anytime they wanted. Basically, workers would have NO RIGHTS if weren't for unions. Canadians have the right to not be abused by their boss and have the right to have time to spend with their families. Unions ensure this.. Whoever denies it is a fool. Companies are forgetting that it's the workers providing them with their precious profits and making their CEOs and directors rich. Unions make sure we can all work our comfortable 40 hours a week and get our due benefits to remain healthy and have time to spend with our families. I am thankful for unions for their original purpose: to protect the workers from being abused by their employer.

However on the other hand, unions have recently been changed into a net that protects slackers and prevents skillful people from advancing quickly in a company.

I for one do not believe in the concept of seniority in a workplace. My mentality is that if I've been working for a company 6 months for example and have more skills and excel more than someone who's been there 5 years, I should have default right to get a promotion first regardless of seniority. I want quick advancement, I don't want to have to wait 5 years to get out of an entry level position. I don't want to have to work late shifts and work weekends for 2-3 years before having a good schedule. If I prove my skills and show my employer that I surpass my colleagues, I strongly believe that I am entitled to being provided with better schedules and higher wages as a reward. Advancement should be based on performance, not seniority. Unions prevent this from happening.

Overall though, unions do protect the worker but need to be modified to allow workers who excel to advance quickly in companies.

There is a place for unions in what could be considered "hazardous jobs", such as

Commerial fisherman
Timber cutters
Structural metal workers
Power line workers
Miners
Roofers

All other occupations would not warrant a unionized environment. Sectors such as the auto industry and lumber mills teeter on the verge of bankruptcy due in part becasuse of outrageous demands by unions.

Do teachers, civil servants and nurses really require a union? For what? Their pay scale is in the upper percentile vs. the average wage in Canada and a union provides exactly nothing except the right to strike for more wages/benefits when the wage/benefit compensation is more than generous.

That is why union membership has been dropping (it's now under 20%) in the last few decades.

Unions served a purpose 80 yrs ago and still had a raison d'etre up until the 70's, but they are an economic drain to todays work environment

 

[Adriatik]

Adriatik

"Well I hardly believe that the simple fact that you've been around for a while makes a difference."

He was referring to his age

Well that doesn't make a difference neither...

 

[darkbeaver]

I guess that applies if you work in a "typical" union infested environment. If not the wage issue is immaterial.

Myself, I consider unioned workers as "not the brightest lights in the Chritmas Tree". I've had unioned workers as employees and my observation is that unions stifle initiative and reward mediocraty

Your observations hardly matter against peer reviewed studies do they squire? You have that lower management arrogance which epitomizes the tennants of the peter principal. I'd be willing to bet that you couldn't turn those christmas bulbs in without help could you Tyr? What I find ammazeing in cases like yours is the complete lack of understanding about where wages ultimately come from. You'll like this Tyr, the curve of the union membership crash follows quite nicely the destruction of the manufacturing base in the western world which of course connects seamlessly to the thirty year crash of real income which leads us to this point in time when labour can no longer afford to buy the products offered by businesses thus precipitating the next and near depression.
Once our brilliant management class abandoned manufacturing in favour of finance we were doomed.;-)

 

[pgs]

Well i just went out to support my local economy.
Funny steaks from non union butcher.
Spuds from the local non union farmers market.
Beer from the local non union wine and beer store,
and movies from the local you quessed it non union store.
I was served by a bunch of happy helpful people though.:lol:

 

[darkbeaver]

There is a place for unions in what could be considered "hazardous jobs", such as

Commerial fisherman
Timber cutters
Structural metal workers
Power line workers
Miners
Roofers

All other occupations would not warrant a unionized environment. Sectors such as the auto industry and lumber mills teeter on the verge of bankruptcy due in part becasuse of outrageous demands by unions.

Do teachers, civil servants and nurses really require a union? For what? Their pay scale is in the upper percentile vs. the average wage in Canada and a union provides exactly nothing except the right to strike for more wages/benefits when the wage/benefit compensation is more than generous.

That is why union membership has been dropping (it's now under 20%) in the last few decades.

Unions served a purpose 80 yrs ago and still had a raison d'etre up until the 70's, but they are an economic drain to todays work environment

Hey Tyr, here a fresh fact for you, the entire cost of unionized labour to the big three in North America represents slightly less than 11 days production. The cost of labour is the most popular whine of the boss. If it wern't for organized labour what exactly would elevate wages and benefits? If earnings are not extracted from businesses they do not enter at the base of the economy and therefore do not flow through it, this is how to cripple an economy. If you don't pay your employees they can't buy your stuff business suffers, like now. You'd happily work for nothing wouldn't you Tyr? A more heavily organized labour force actually improves economys by ensureing currency circulation begins right at the primary industry levels where its position and flow is maximized. If money don't get to the bottom the bottom crumbles and the whole edifice falters and dies. ;-)