Jesus never existed.

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By ‘the one from BC’, I assume you mean BCPC, he is masquerading here as SirFrances2004, I did mention it in another thread.

I thought of signing on here as SirRupertMargartroyd, but I thought it would be fun to sign on under another pretentious name. The fact that SirJosephPorter (in HMS Pinafore) was a total buffoon adds further to the irony. Besides, I am not sure if they permit such long winded names in this forum.

Anyway, once they get Canada.com forum fixed (assuming they do get it fixed), I am not sure how many of us will return to it, Cliffy has already said he likes this forum better.
Thanks Sirrup. Of course I meant BCProud. Sorry BCP - I don't know why I deleted the mail - didn't mean to. We need to contact our american friend vcullen. He might like it here too. I am beginning to get used to it but I think it's just more comfortable because I don't feel alone anymore on here. I have not tried previewing my post yet. Hey Spade - is that kinda like editing? You know why all of you like it better here don't you? More than just a handful of us to talk to. Gets more interesting. Right Cliff! :smile:
 

Cliffy

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IslandSpecific,

You bet ya! You notice that I hang out mostly in the philosophy ward. News is just too depressing.
 

Francis2004

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If the two of you had just used "Sirrup" and "BCProud" there would not have been any problem with the length of the names :p . Goodness - at least I chose something that should have been a dead give away anyway. Alright Iggy - reveal yourself!!!! ;-)

Hey Guys, look at the pot calling the kettle black ?

Why did you not stay with your own name VanIsle.. You may have become IsleofVan to be simple.. For me it is simply a change needed with time. Having never been banned from any site I am never the less tired of being branded of certain political views.

Most of all I do not miss the CM's and the likes which troll the other board.. Perhaps they are here as well and so they may find me but for now I am myself..
 

SirJosephPorter

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As to the name change, I only thought it appropriate as well due to length. I could go into details on the formation of its source but I am not SirJosephPorter.... ha ha ha

Just a friendly jab there SirJosephPorter.. I would never say you are long winded as its just not like me to tease you.. :razz:

But you can explain the origin of your name in detail, there is a thread specifically for that, offhand I cannot recall its name.

In that thread I gave detailed explanation of the name Sir Joseph Porter (a character in Gilbert and Sullivan’s ‘HMS Pinafore’). I even posted Sir Joseph’s song there.

You may wish to explain the origin of your name in that thread.
 

SirJosephPorter

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If the two of you had just used "Sirrup" and "BCProud" there would not have been any problem with the length of the names :p .

Possibly. But my name was easily recognizable, those who have read my posts in canada.com forum under the name of SirRupertMargartroyd would easily recognize me under the name of SirJosephPorter (you did, without my having to tell you).

Incidentally, is Iggy here? I don't recognize him.
 

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I watched about half of it and I must say, it is really a lame refutation. It is based solely on the belief that the bible is true and accurate, which it is not. Again, you use the bible to prove the bible. The author makes outrageous claims about anybody who disagrees with his position without proof or warrant.

That film is by far the silliest attempt at believing in fairy tales I have yet seen. A complete waste of time, money and energy. All it does it pander to the fear mongering of christianity. In its desire to prove christianity was not instigated to control the masses it attempts to scare them back into submission to a higher authority, the bible. The old snake eating its tail number. To me this is just a lame attempt to re-establish authority that is slipping away because people are becoming too educated to believe this nonsense.

That movie seeks to continue the dumbing down of the masses by claiming to be the only true word of god making christianity no different than the Mulim claim that theirs is. Both are farting in the wind of change (for the better).
 

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At least we don't have to get into the specifics, like the 150 references to Jesus outside of the Bible in 100 years, compared to 10 for a leader of Rome.
Or that Horus wasn't really resurrected back to life as once his 14 parts were put back together. Going from death to the underworld is not a resurrection back to life. (did you read the one where this guys wife is raped to death so he cuts her up into about 14 parts and mails the out to her brothers that were actually tribe leaders so the could get a large number of men assembled for the retribution). That resulted in a lot of dead, I would have to double-check to be sure but I think they were all from Israel rather than it being a foreign nation. I case you don't thing God spared them from violence entirely.
The rest about Horus is just plain wrong when compared to the actual original article.

As presented I assume they expect people to check up on the claims. Be rather silly to put some in that had only false leads.

I did watch another one that was about submission of the (rational)will about the same time you were watching this. It stated the dating of Amos was somewhat older than what I gave it (after Neb's Babylon) so I have to reread some to double check that it can only apply to the Babylon mentioned in Revelation. It also covered the fate of Israel and it started going into some verses that describe a resurrection (12 vivid verses) of dry bones back to a living soul. The program twists all that around to make it apply as justification for the invasion that Israel is under for the last 70 years. That is just way wrong, the dry bones are there because when Christ turns His face away from you and you go through tribulation you are going to die. The reward for (being set as an example of so others can see the power associated with God) is that the whole clan gets resurrected because they are all in the grave.
What was being promoted is just plain wrong. A tug that brings you to that understanding is in other references, I'm sure I can did up at least two, if I gave you 10 that would also cover other aspects of the start of the resurrection of whole of humanity. By the time you read those you would realize that Christ pretty much makes a parking lot out of the whole area. Devoid of any life and the 12 original tribes are the first to be invited back. When they get there the House of Prayer and the living water that flows in a river is already there (right after the wrath that leveled the place). Another point is the NT says the dead will rise first. That fits in with the dry-bones being the physically dead as they are made whole in front of the remnant of the Nations. The living of today (last 70 years) say they are being gathered, it's a lie because there is not one resurrected person alive today, let alone the whole number that should be alive.
I threw that in so you can see I am a follower but I am anything but blind imholol
 

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I will admit that you have a unique take on the bible. You are almost a free thinker within the confines of that belief system. But I fail to see how one can believe in a benevolent creator and all the apocalyptic murder and mayhem at the same time. Either god is benevolent and Jesus the prince of peace or they are psychopaths. Which is it?
 

L Gilbert

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Maybe that is the answer right there, God has to be real because nobody could have gotten everything that has ever occurred in our (relatively) short history wrong so consistently. Just kidding, when you are God you don't need to leave a bunch of artifacts laying around to show that you have passed this way once.
.... and you likely wouldn't leave a bunch of artifacts around that contradict things that are claimed about you and by "you". I.E. If you invented the world and poofed things magically out of mid-air, why would you plant items around that indicate that life and whatnot had evolved instead?

Out of those 100's how many claim that they are going to do a return engagement?
If I was a god and left, I'd just leave and if I felt like coming back I would just come back. Why would I feel the need to explain my leaving and return in the first place?
 

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Isn't that the issue in the first place ?

So many have gone, yet no one has returned to tell what the after world is like ?

Also we are left to blind "faith", "belief" and "trust" when all we have known on this planet are "lies", "deceit" and "distrust" as we are asked to repent all the time as the Church "assumes" we always do wrong..

My God is a loving God, not a hateful one..
I am not sure what this god of yours is. It is certainly not the Christian gad as that "entity" has been shown in the book that is supposedly its own word to be a malicious, immature sociopath.
 

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Believe what you will.But the Idea of Jesus lives in the minds of many..The stories are great..Perhaps like many stories..Larger than the man!!...

Jesus coulda been a smart slave who brought freedom ..

He coulda been a great engineer who helped many build a future to look forward to...

He coulda been so many things so why talk about a man who may not have existed??

Because it's a damned good story!!!....One that can never be discredited!!

If he did not live ...He was brought to life...In the minds of many!!

He was a good man who believed in peace for all!!

Jesus was a hippy who knew the truth!!....The earth evolved around the sun!!...9 disiples?

I don't know ..haven't read that book in a while..lol

Coulda been the first politician!!..lol
 

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What are you on..It's sunday!

It's sunday man!!!..What are you on???!!!....Are you relaxing on sunday ,or working at getting rid of all our freedoms.?.lfreedoms from slavery ,like sunday...Christmas and so many days we enjoy thanks to PEACEFUL belief!!!

People would rahter try to rip things apart then build bridges together!!!.....It is sad!!
 

MHz

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... If you invented the world and poofed things magically out of mid-air, why would you plant items around that indicate that life and whatnot had evolved instead?
It wasn't really poofed. I don't have a problem with God taking about 4.5 B years to get to the end of the creation days. None of those days even have to follow our 'system of time'.

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If I was a god and left, I'd just leave and if I felt like coming back I would just come back. Why would I feel the need to explain my leaving and return in the first place?
Well you aren't God....
To stay within His own rules He has to tell us about any changes that will be done before they are actually done. That is enough reason in itself. How well we understand the words determines how much of a surprise it is when it happens.
 

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It wasn't really poofed. I don't have a problem with God taking about 4.5 B years to get to the end of the creation days. None of those days even have to follow our 'system of time'.
I'm not talking about time. What initiated energies and matter in the first place? Or was it here already without having an origin? You say that your god poofed it all. The timeline is irrelevant. I say the universe just was, is, and always has been and it is without human characteristics (thought, emotion, etc).

Well you aren't God....
To stay within His own rules He has to tell us about any changes that will be done before they are actually done. That is enough reason in itself. How well we understand the words determines how much of a surprise it is when it happens.
If your god had stayed within its own rules it would have stuck to commandement #6 (I think this is the one about not killing), for instance. So much for your version of "reasoning".