Life after death

[talloola]

If I had a chance to be a 'god' I would show your so called god how to do his job much better.
He is incompetent, cruel, sadistic, plays favourites, hides, murdurs, causes weather systems
to kill thousands.
I would put your god out of business in 24 hours, then you would walk over to my side, and
pray to me, and I wouldn't ask of you what your god asks of you, I would be kind and helpful.
If your god was real, he is laughing so hard, at how he tricks all of you into doing whatever he says, and he makes up cruel games and makes you dangle on a string to do his tricks, he's got you by the short hairs fellas, and you are buggered.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

you words no right I telling you before ,

I know what you're telling me, but I'm telling you that you're wrong, because it comes from a book full of lies...

If you want truth, pick up a book of world history and read how each religion has built upon another, revision after revision until you end up with the crock of **** that you are reading today...

Forget about what Allah tells you to think...think for yourself dammit...

Find intellectual honesty and answers to your questions outside the realm of the unreal...

You do not have to be a slave to Allah...you can be free...

I AM SPARTACUS!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

...this is up to God to answer or not;

Yes, I've heard all that before, but your scriptures and Christian scriptures clearly state that *ALL* prayers will be answered. "Ask and it shall be given" says Matthew. Presumably you meet the conditions you said are necessary in order for prayers to be answered, you claimed you've had prayers answered, so pray for the remission of all childhood cancers, ask him to do it for its own sake and to help you prove to all the idolaters and mockers in here that you're right.

Then you can ask him to explain why nothing happened, why it was not given when you asked. I've no doubt the only explanation you'll be able to come up with will be the same retreat into incoherent mysticism ahmadabdalrhman offered: the answer was no and we can't understand that but it must be a good thing. And if that's really the answer, then we shouldn't be doing anything to relieve the suffering of the innocents either, it was ordained by god for some higher purpose that's beyond our comprehension and we shouldn't be so presumptuous as to interfere with it, let them suffer and die as god willed.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

Yes, I've heard all that before, but your scriptures and Christian scriptures clearly state that *ALL* prayers will be answered. "Ask and it shall be given" says Matthew. Presumably you meet the conditions you said are necessary in order for prayers to be answered, you claimed you've had prayers answered, so pray for the remission of all childhood cancers, ask him to do it for its own sake and to help you prove to all the idolaters and mockers in here that you're right.

Then you can ask him to explain why nothing happened, why it was not given when you asked. I've no doubt the only explanation you'll be able to come up with will be the same retreat into incoherent mysticism ahmadabdalrhman offered: the answer was no and we can't understand that but it must be a good thing. And if that's really the answer, then we shouldn't be doing anything to relieve the suffering of the innocents either, it was ordained by god for some higher purpose that's beyond our comprehension and we shouldn't be so presumptuous as to interfere with it, let them suffer and die as god willed.

the god make this life for test we , the pain no finish from this life this life just short for the next

the god answer that prayer If he assent or the god do best to the believer from that prayer after this life ...

and the prayer have check like this : -

Hadhrat Abu Hurayrah [ra] narrated that RASUL’ULLAH [SAW] said: “O People! ALLAH IS GOOD and ALLAH accepts only what is pure and good! ALLAH has given the same command to the true believers as ALLAH has given to HIS MESSENGERS, SAYING: O MESSENGERS, EAT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOOD AND PURE, AND ACT RIGHTEOUSLY, FOR I KNOW WELL ALL THAT YOUDO!” AND ALLAH TA’ALA also said: “O TRUE BELIEVERS! EAT OF THE GOOD AND PURE THINGS WHICH WE HAVE PROVIDED FOR YOU.” Then RASUL’ULLAH [SAW] mentioned [the example of] a man who undertakes a long journey in a disheveled and dusty condition, then stretches out his hands towards heaven pleading: “O my Sustainer! O my Sustainer!” In the meantime, the food that he eats is haraam, the water that he drinks is haraam, the clothing that he wears is haraam, and all that he earns and covets is haraam! How can such a person expect an answer to his pleading?”


(Muslim; Tirmidhi; Ahmad)

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It is ludicrous for such a person to expect a positive reply for his duahs. More and more Muslims are earning unlawful incomes. Their faith and trust in ALLAH TA’ALA as PROVIDER and SUSTAINER has eroded to such a degree that they seem to think that they have to fend for themselves, and they consider themselves as sole earners and providers for themselves and their families. This leads them towards excessiveness and extravagance, and a lot of their wealth goes to waste. They also become pompous and proud people, wishing to brag, boast and show off their wealth by having lavish homes and luxurious vehicles. When millions of people are suffering from poverty and malnutrition, is there justification for this kind of pomposity and showmanship? The Messengers of ALLAH TA’ALA were examples for all of us. They were the nearest to ALLAH TA’ALA. All their duah’s were accepted by ALLAH TA’ALA. Yet, they lived simple lives and were always part of the people. Why should we be different. Why not share the wealth and abundance ALLAH TA’ALA has given us with deserving causes, such as our Madaaris and our Massajid and other charitable and deserving causes? Then beg and plead to ALLAH TA’ALA and see how our prayers will be answered

 

[talloola]

the god make this life for test we , the pain no finish from this life this life just short for the next

the god answer that prayer If he assent or the god do best to the believer from that prayer after this life ...

and the prayer have check like this : -

Hadhrat Abu Hurayrah [ra] narrated that RASUL’ULLAH [SAW] said: “O People! ALLAH IS GOOD and ALLAH accepts only what is pure and good! ALLAH has given the same command to the true believers as ALLAH has given to HIS MESSENGERS, SAYING: O MESSENGERS, EAT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOOD AND PURE, AND ACT RIGHTEOUSLY, FOR I KNOW WELL ALL THAT YOUDO!” AND ALLAH TA’ALA also said: “O TRUE BELIEVERS! EAT OF THE GOOD AND PURE THINGS WHICH WE HAVE PROVIDED FOR YOU.” Then RASUL’ULLAH [SAW] mentioned [the example of] a man who undertakes a long journey in a disheveled and dusty condition, then stretches out his hands towards heaven pleading: “O my Sustainer! O my Sustainer!” In the meantime, the food that he eats is haraam, the water that he drinks is haraam, the clothing that he wears is haraam, and all that he earns and covets is haraam! How can such a person expect an answer to his pleading?”​

(Muslim; Tirmidhi; Ahmad)​

It is ludicrous for such a person to expect a positive reply for his duahs. More and more Muslims are earning unlawful incomes. Their faith and trust in ALLAH TA’ALA as PROVIDER and SUSTAINER has eroded to such a degree that they seem to think that they have to fend for themselves, and they consider themselves as sole earners and providers for themselves and their families. This leads them towards excessiveness and extravagance, and a lot of their wealth goes to waste. They also become pompous and proud people, wishing to brag, boast and show off their wealth by having lavish homes and luxurious vehicles. When millions of people are suffering from poverty and malnutrition, is there justification for this kind of pomposity and showmanship? The Messengers of ALLAH TA’ALA were examples for all of us. They were the nearest to ALLAH TA’ALA. All their duah’s were accepted by ALLAH TA’ALA. Yet, they lived simple lives and were always part of the people. Why should we be different. Why not share the wealth and abundance ALLAH TA’ALA has given us with deserving causes, such as our Madaaris and our Massajid and other charitable and deserving causes? Then beg and plead to ALLAH TA’ALA and see how our prayers will be answered

You are not a 'free' thinking 'free' individual on this earth, you are an 'obedient' god serving
puppet, who has had all of his own thought process taken away, 'by' the slavery of
religion, you may never know 'who' you really are, as you have given yourself over to your
so-called 'god'. Good luck to you anyway, it is your choice.
All of your answers are just what you have memorized from your book, not what you have
learned from your own individual experiences in life, as, apparantly you aren't allowed to
experience anything of your own, only what you are told to do from your god.

 

[scratch]

You are not a 'free' thinking 'free' individual on this earth, you are an 'obedient' god serving
puppet, who has had all of his own thought process taken away, 'by' the slavery of
religion, you may never know 'who' you really are, as you have given yourself over to your
so-called 'god'. Good luck to you anyway, it is your choice.
All of your answers are just what you have memorized from your book, not what you have
learned from your own individual experiences in life, as, apparantly you aren't allowed to
experience anything of your own, only what you are told to do from your god.

This is not life but a mind enslaved.

 

[talloola]

This is not life but a mind enslaved.

It is sad indeed.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

I know what you're telling me, but I'm telling you that you're wrong, because it comes from a book full of lies...

If you want truth, pick up a book of world history and read how each religion has built upon another, revision after revision until you end up with the crock of **** that you are reading today...

that no truth

prophet Abraham which built the kabaa
no prophet mohamed he was prophet Abraham .
and he was not of the polytheists.
and be come prophet Abraham before christians and jewry

and become after that man which he was have prestige in arabians and he turn the idols to arab island he was his name Omar bin lohay


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Sahih International: Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists.

Forget about what Allah tells you to think...think for yourself dammit...

on my corse I do not leave this ..

Find intellectual honesty and answers to your questions outside the realm of the unreal...

that what I see in arabic history ,,

You do not have to be a slave to Allah...you can be free...

I slave to god
better from slave to devil ( go to way the devil )

I AM SPARTACUS!

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

This is not life but a mind enslaved.

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Sahih International: So is he who is on clear evidence from his Lord like him to whom the evil of his work has been made attractive and they follow their [own] desires?​

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Sahih International: Is the description of Paradise, which the righteous are promised, wherein are rivers of water unaltered, rivers of milk the taste of which never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of purified honey, in which they will have from all [kinds of] fruits and forgiveness from their Lord, like [that of] those who abide eternally in the Fire and are given to drink scalding water that will sever their intestines?

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Sahih International: But those who disbelieved - their deeds are like a mirage in a lowland which a thirsty one thinks is water until, when he comes to it, he finds it is nothing but finds Allah before Him, and He will pay him in full his due; and Allah is swift in account

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Sahih International: Or [they are] like darknesses within an unfathomable sea which is covered by waves, upon which are waves, over which are clouds - darknesses, some of them upon others. When one puts out his hand [therein], he can hardly see it. And he to whom Allah has not granted light - for him there is no light.​

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

It is sad indeed.

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Sahih International: Say, "Not equal are the evil and the good, although the abundance of evil might impress you." So fear Allah , O you of understanding, that you may be successful.

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Sahih International: Not equal are the companions of the Fire and the companions of Paradise. The companions of Paradise - they are the attainers [of success].

 

[Scott Free]

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Sahih International: So is he who is on clear evidence from his Lord like him to whom the evil of his work has been made attractive and they follow their [own] desires?​

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Sahih International: Is the description of Paradise, which the righteous are promised, wherein are rivers of water unaltered, rivers of milk the taste of which never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of purified honey, in which they will have from all [kinds of] fruits and forgiveness from their Lord, like [that of] those who abide eternally in the Fire and are given to drink scalding water that will sever their intestines?

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Sahih International: But those who disbelieved - their deeds are like a mirage in a lowland which a thirsty one thinks is water until, when he comes to it, he finds it is nothing but finds Allah before Him, and He will pay him in full his due; and Allah is swift in account

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Sahih International: Or [they are] like darknesses within an unfathomable sea which is covered by waves, upon which are waves, over which are clouds - darknesses, some of them upon others. When one puts out his hand [therein], he can hardly see it. And he to whom Allah has not granted light - for him there is no light.​

If god can not be asked to provide proof then by what right do you say you believe?


Without proof you do not believe - it is impossible.

 

[scratch]

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Sahih International: Say, "Not equal are the evil and the good, although the abundance of evil might impress you." So fear Allah , O you of understanding, that you may be successful.

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Sahih International: Not equal are the companions of the Fire and the companions of Paradise. The companions of Paradise - they are the attainers [of success].

Why don't you try something new? Like explaining these passages in `your own words`. You have a mind, think, reason and form a thought and then post it.

Or are you just too `brain-washed?

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

If god can not be asked to provide proof then by what right do you say you believe?


Without proof you do not believe - it is impossible.

the quran my proof

and the denying not have proof

 

[Scott Free]

the quran my proof

and the denying not have proof

So you're taking someone's word for it that god exists. So you don't really believe.

You believe in Muhammad not god. Muhammad talked to an angel not to god so Muhammad believed in the angel Gabriel not god. Muhammad is like you because he took the angels word for it and you take Muhammad's word for it. But non of you has any actual proof. Even Muhammad doesn't believe in god he believes in an angel!

Well, good thing you're so sure that angel wasn't just a voice inside Muhammad's head... :roll:

You know... since that voice wasn't god in everyone's head before and after Muhammad...., just a symptom of, you know, being crazy.

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

Why don't you try something new? Like explaining these passages in `your own words`. You have a mind, think, reason and form a thought and then post it.

Or are you just too `brain-washed?

If one ask you where your ear ?


why you are touching your ear on right hand to the left ear is above your head ?


touching you're the right ear direct

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

So you're taking someone's word for it that god exists. So you don't really believe.

You believe in Muhammad not god. Muhammad talked to an angel not to god so Muhammad believed in the angel Gabriel not god. Muhammad is like you because he took the angels word for it and you take Muhammad's word for it. But non of you has any actual proof. Even Muhammad doesn't believe in god he believes in an angel!

Well, good thing you're so sure that angel wasn't just a voice inside Muhammad's head... :roll:

You know... since that voice wasn't god in everyone's head before and after Muhammad...., just a symptom of, you know, being crazy.

he is biography very perfect

not biography the crazy person

look what some from the other say about it

His complete biography has been authenticated and circulated amongst scholars around the world starting while he was still alive and continuing up until today. One of the first examples we quote from is from the Encyclopedia Britannica, as it confirms:
(Regarding Muhammad) "... a mass of detail in the early sources shows that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were likewise honest and upright men."
[Vol. 12]

Another impressive tribute to Muhammad, peace be upon him is in the very well written work of Michael H. Hart, "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History." He states that the most influential person in all history was Muhammad, peace be upon him, with Jesus second. Examine his actual words:
"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."[Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, page. 33.]According to the Quran, Prophet Muhammad was the most excellent example for all of humanity. Even non-Muslim historians recognize him to be one of the most successful personalities in history. Read what the Reverend R. Bosworth-Smith wrote in "Mohammed & Mohammedanism" in 1946:
"Head of the state as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was pope without the pope's claims, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue. If ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by a Right Divine, it was Mohammad, for he had all the power without instruments and without its support. He cared not for dressing of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life."While we are reviewing statements from famous non-Muslims about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, consider this:
"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"

[Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp. 276-277.]

more Muhammad - Prophet of Islam

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Sahih International: So remind [O Muْammad], for you are not, by the favor of your Lord, a soothsayer or a madman.

052.030

Sahih International: Or do they say [of you], "A poet for whom we await a misfortune of time?"

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Sahih International: Say, "Wait, for indeed I am, with you, among the waiters."

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Sahih International: Or do their minds command them to [say] this, or are they a transgressing people?

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Sahih International: Or do they say, "He has made it up"? Rather, they do not believe.​

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Sahih International: Then let them produce a statement like it, if they should be truthful.


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Sahih International: Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators [of themselves]?

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Sahih International: Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain.

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Sahih International: Or have they the depositories [containing the provision] of your Lord? Or are they the controllers [of them]?

 

[scratch]

he is biography very perfect

not biography the crazy person

look what some from the other say about it

His complete biography has been authenticated and circulated amongst scholars around the world starting while he was still alive and continuing up until today. One of the first examples we quote from is from the Encyclopedia Britannica, as it confirms:
(Regarding Muhammad) "... a mass of detail in the early sources shows that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were likewise honest and upright men."
[Vol. 12]

Another impressive tribute to Muhammad, peace be upon him is in the very well written work of Michael H. Hart, "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History." He states that the most influential person in all history was Muhammad, peace be upon him, with Jesus second. Examine his actual words:
"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."[Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, page. 33.]According to the Quran, Prophet Muhammad was the most excellent example for all of humanity. Even non-Muslim historians recognize him to be one of the most successful personalities in history. Read what the Reverend R. Bosworth-Smith wrote in "Mohammed & Mohammedanism" in 1946:
"Head of the state as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was pope without the pope's claims, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue. If ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by a Right Divine, it was Mohammad, for he had all the power without instruments and without its support. He cared not for dressing of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life."While we are reviewing statements from famous non-Muslims about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, consider this:
"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"

[Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp. 276-277.]

more Muhammad - Prophet of Islam

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Sahih International: So remind [O Muْammad], for you are not, by the favor of your Lord, a soothsayer or a madman.

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Sahih International: Or do they say [of you], "A poet for whom we await a misfortune of time?"

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Sahih International: Say, "Wait, for indeed I am, with you, among the waiters."

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Sahih International: Or do their minds command them to [say] this, or are they a transgressing people?

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Sahih International: Or do they say, "He has made it up"? Rather, they do not believe.​

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Sahih International: Then let them produce a statement like it, if they should be truthful.


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Sahih International: Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators [of themselves]?

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Sahih International: Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain.

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Sahih International: Or have they the depositories [containing the provision] of your Lord? Or are they the controllers [of them]?

Is there a short version----IN YOUR OWN WORDS?

 

[ahmadabdalrhman]

Is there a short version----IN YOUR OWN WORDS?

yup this :-

he is biography very perfect

not biography the crazy person

look what some from the other say about it

 

[scratch]

yup this :-

he is biography very perfect

not biography the crazy person

look what some from the other say about it

You've lost me.
Explain.

 

[eanassir]

God – be glorified – said in the Quran 40: 69​

أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الَّذِينَ يُجَادِلُونَ فِي آيَاتِ اللَّهِ أَنَّى يُصْرَفُونَ​

The explanation:
(Have you [Mohammed] not considered those who wrangle concerning the signs of God['s revelation, trying to disprove them] how they are turned away [from believing]?)​