Venezuela going wrong ?

L Gilbert

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President Bachelet of Chile touts the market economy but only so long as it benefits the common people. Her motto is: My role as President is looking after the well-being of everyone in this country.

Therefore her vision of marketism does not in any way reflect the vision of someone like Bush's whose vision is one of limitless wealth for the rich at the expense of the poor.

http://www.presidencyofchile.cl/view/homepage.asp


Another example of her wisdom is a little known fact that soon all school children will be required to have a mastery of the English language in order to graduate from school. This change was adopted successfully in socialistic Sweden and in other countries to their greatly creditable success. Under the old ways this reform was never instituted. But with President Bachelet is will work equally well.

Therefore, Chile's future looks really good!
It all sounds good except the part where Junior's vision is limitless wealth for the few at the expense of the poor. It's more likely that Junior is far enough removed that consciousness of the poor doesn't exist. So he probably has it in his subconscious that more for the top means more trickle down to reach the poor. That to me makes more sense than Junior's actual intention to have poor people feeding the rich.
I'm not much of a socialist because of things I've seen, but I'm not one for extreme capitalism either which kinda puts me in the middle. Pretty much dead center according to the "political compass" et al. ( www.politicalcompass.org )
 

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On another Venuzuela thread I quoted an old line;"A socialist is just a capitalist with no money". Chavez is one socialist with barrels of money. Chavez won an election with a big majority on the promise that he would be going even further down the socialist road. Maybe he can make it work. I can't think of an oil-rich country in Afrika that is any kind of democratic success story. I hope the U.S. will stay the hell out and let them develop in their own way.

The US better keep the hell out of Venezuela. Venezuela has full right to go its own way and let's hope the US government will avoid being the immature prick it can be in terms of foreign policy. Time for the bully to grow up.
 

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Well, considering Chavez's past history, I don't hold much optimism for country - but hey, maybe he's learnt from his past delusions of grandeur??

JMO
 

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Anything is possible, but it's far more likely that Chavez is simply a power-hungry nutcase no different than most despots and wingnut dictators like Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, al-Bashir of Sudan, Mugabe of Zimbabwe, or Khomeini in Iran.
Just watch, it'll be Chavez' way or the highway with no toleration for opposition, no free speech unless it's approved, and Venezuela will be just like Cuba:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...ICDO0F81.DTL&hw=jelly+schapiro&sn=001&sc=1000

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http://www.libertyforcuba.com/
 

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``` What does this have to do with the looney Castro wannabe in Venezula?```


My reply was in answer to post # 36 that attempted to show that she was strictly a market capitalist.

Better a Castro wannabe than a Bush wannabe, don'tcha think?


Globalization ... ``` It does not mean that there can be no social programs, public education system, etc. ```

And that is the direction Bachelet is taking Chile.


```So he probably has it in his subconscious that more for the top means more trickle down to reach the poor.```

The phony 'trickle down' theory did not work during the 12 years of Reaganomics from 1980-1992. It still has not worked and never will because it is nothing more than a figment dreamed up in the crazed minds of right wing extremists whose wicked imaginations seek a plutocratic utopia.


```Chavez is simply a power-hungry nutcase no different than most despots and wingnut dictators like Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, al-Bashir of Sudan, Mugabe of Zimbabwe, or Khomeini in Iran.```

Chavez was democratically elected and his policies reflect majority views in his country.

The same cannot be said for Bush.


``` The US better keep the hell out of Venezuela. Venezuela has full right to go its own way and let's hope the US government will avoid being the immature prick it can be in terms of foreign policy. Time for the bully to grow up. ```

And it's time for the international community to remember that appeasement never worked to stop Hitler. In the event of CIA subversion in Venezuela, something better be done to stop Bush's aggression there or there will be more trouble in Iran, North Korea, and elsewhere.
 

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Better a Castro wannabe than a Bush wannabe, don'tcha think?
Nope. Castro is no paramount model for human rights either. Better somewhere in between those.


Globalization ... ``` It does not mean that there can be no social programs, public education system, etc. ```

And that is the direction Bachelet is taking Chile.
Seems like. I say more power to 'em.


```So he probably has it in his subconscious that more for the top means more trickle down to reach the poor.```

The phony 'trickle down' theory did not work during the 12 years of Reaganomics from 1980-1992. It still has not worked and never will because it is nothing more than a figment dreamed up in the crazed minds of right wing extremists whose wicked imaginations seek a plutocratic utopia.
Exactly. But that doesn't negate or even refute what I said about Junior being outta touch with most of his country rather than intentionally feeding the rich via the poor.

Chavez was democratically elected and his policies reflect majority views in his country.
Yup. But, Hitler and Hussein were elected by the people, too. So?

The same cannot be said for Bush.
There was a coup I was unaware of?


``` The US better keep the hell out of Venezuela. Venezuela has full right to go its own way and let's hope the US government will avoid being the immature prick it can be in terms of foreign policy. Time for the bully to grow up. ```

And it's time for the international community to remember that appeasement never worked to stop Hitler. In the event of CIA subversion in Venezuela, something better be done to stop Bush's aggression there or there will be more trouble in Iran, North Korea, and elsewhere.
No doubt.
 

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Chavez was democratically elected and his policies reflect majority views in his country. Yup. But, Hitler and Hussein were elected by the people, too. So?


Chavez did not have his troops cross borders to invade anyone else. By contrast, Hitler, Saddam, and Bush did so.
 

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Chavez was democratically elected and his policies reflect majority views in his country. Yup. But, Hitler and Hussein were elected by the people, too. So?


Chavez did not have his troops cross borders to invade anyone else. By contrast, Hitler, Saddam, and Bush did so.
So? His personality shows similarities. Just because someone doesn't perform the same activities doesn't mean they aren't a similar type of person. It's already a fairly well known point that he admires Castro (an authoritarian despot just like Hitler, Hussein, Stalin, et al).
Castro is no saint: there are three pages of stuff about cuba ( http://hrw.org/doc/?t=americas&c=cuba )from the Human Rights Watch site than show how nice a guy he can be. By all appearances, if he doesn't like someone, he calls them dissidents or something of the kind and sticks them in prison as political prisoners. Yet, Cuba never invaded anyone either. Um, take a look at Amnesty Int'l stuff about Castro and Cuba - http://www.amnesty.org/airesults/se...efault_collection&lr=lang_en&q=Cuba&submit=GO

And Chavez admires the guy. :roll: Castro probably though highly of Stalin, too.
 

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``` Not exactly an invasion, but the Cuban military was involved there up to their hairy chins.```


Quite tame compared to Bush in Iraq, Bush, Sr in Kuwait, and Reagan in Central America where he and Negroponte helped killed several hundred Native Americans {op cit}.
 

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``` Not exactly an invasion, but the Cuban military was involved there up to their hairy chins.```


Quite tame compared to Bush in Iraq, Bush, Sr in Kuwait, and Reagan in Central America where he and Negroponte helped killed several hundred Native Americans {op cit}.
Yeah, have a friend who's a photographer and spent almost 5 years in El Salvador. Reagan and his CIA cronies shoulda been cut off at the knees.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/ElSalvador_KH.html

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/death_squads.htm#El

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_158.shtml

http://www3.uakron.edu/worldciv/pascher/salvador.html

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/lost14.html
 
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