Time To Seriously Reduce The Number Of Immigrants To Canada

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There is also no real problem with a declining population unless you are in the business of selling new houses and cars.
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So who pays the taxes? The country doesn't shrink and infrastructure doesn't repair it's self but still suffers the same yearly climate cycles used or unused.
 
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Not accusing anything. If it weren't for 300+grams of titanium and bone cement shoved up my spine I'd be in the same boat and making juice at the mall too.

To be honest I'm stunned and appalled at the ON govt and especially the people of ON. That is disgusting that <$500 is all they are willing to contribute to the needs of a disabled person.
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Basic needs is $578 so that plus Shelter (living expense $462) makes a total of $1040/mo. I can live on it because my mortgage is paid off. A lot of folks can't.
 
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Basic needs is $578 so that plus Shelter (living expense $462) makes a total of $1040/mo. I can live on it because my mortgage is paid off. A lot of folks can't.
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Ah okay that makes more sense and is "survivable" barely but is survivable. They won't make mortgage payments or underwrite mortgages for disabled to buy houses in ON?

They bought the guy that is too drunk to work a house across the alley a couple years back. His entire yard is potatoes. I've never seen him put trash in the dumpster so I think he eats nothing but potatoes and spends his monthly allowance on beer.
 
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Ah okay that makes more sense and is "survivable" barely but is survivable. They won't make mortgage payments or underwrite mortgages for disabled to buy houses in ON?

They bought the guy that is too drunk to work a house across the alley a couple years back. His entire yard is potatoes. I've never seen him put trash in the dumpster so I think he eats nothing but potatoes and spends his monthly allowance on beer.
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Now, that shows initiative - growing his own potatoes.
I've got to admire his style.
 
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Title: Immigration Law of 1924
Author: U.S. Government
Year Published: 1924[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Comprehensive Immigration Law (1924)

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A Proclamation [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Whereas it is provided in the act of Congress approved May 26, 1924, entitled "An act to limit the immigration of aliens into the United States, and for other purposes" that "The annual quota of any nationality shall be two per centum of the number of foreign-born individuals of such nationality resident in continental Untied States as determined by the United States Census of 1890, but the minimum quota of any nationality shall be 100 (Sec. 11 a). . . . [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The Secretary of State, the Secretary of Commerce, and the Secretary of Labor, jointly, shall, as soon as feasible after the enactment of this act, prepare a statement showing the number of individuals of the various nationalities resident in continental United States as determined by the United States Census of 1890, which statement shall be the population basis for the purposes of subdivision (a) of section 11 (Sec. 12 b). [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Such officials shall, jointly, report annually to the President the quota of each nationality under subdivision (a) of section 11, together with the statements, estimates, and revisions provided for in this section. The President shall proclaim and make known the quotas so reported". (Sec. 12 e). [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now, therefore I, Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States of America acting under and by virtue of the power in me vested by the aforesaid act of Congress, do hereby proclaim and make known that on and after July 1, 1924, and throughout the fiscal year 1924-1925, the quota of each nationality provided in said act shall be as follows: [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]COUNTRY OR AREA OF BIRTH QUOTA 1924-1925 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Afghanistan- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Albania- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Andorra- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Arabian peninsula (1, 2)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Armenia- 124 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Australia, including Papua, Tasmania, and all islands appertaining to Australia (3, 4)- 121 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Austria- 785 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Belgium (5)- 512 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bhutan- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bulgaria- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Cameroon (proposed British mandate)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Cameroon (French mandate)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]China- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Czechoslovakia- 3,073 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Danzig, Free City of- 228 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Denmark (5, 6)- 2,789 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Egypt- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Estonia- 124 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ethiopia (Abyssinia)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Finland- 170 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]France (1, 5, 6)- 3,954 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Germany- 51,227 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Great Britain and Northern Ireland (1, 3, 5, 6)- 34,007 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Greece- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hungary- 473 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Iceland- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]India (3)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Iraq (Mesopotamia)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Irish Free State (3)- 28,567 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Italy, including Rhodes, Dodecanesia, and Castellorizzo (5)- 3,845 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Japan- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Latvia-142 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Liberia- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Liechtenstein- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lithuania- 344 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Luxemburg- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Monaco- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Morocco (French and Spanish Zones and Tangier)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Muscat (Oman)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Nauru (proposed British mandate) (4)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Nepal- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Netherlands (1, 5, 6)- 1648 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New Zealand (including appertaining islands (3, 4)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Norway (5)- 6,453 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New Guinea, and other Pacific Islands under proposed Australian mandate (4)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Palestine (with Trans-Jordan, proposed British mandate)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Persia (1)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Poland- 5,982 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Portugal (1, 5)- 503 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ruanda and Urundi (Belgium mandate)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rumania- 603 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Russia, European and Asiatic (1)- 2,248 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Samoa, Western (4) (proposed mandate of New Zealand)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]San Marino- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Siam- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]South Africa, Union of (3)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]South West Africa (proposed mandate of Union of South Africa)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Spain (5)- 131 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sweden- 9,561 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Switzerland- 2,081 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Syria and The Lebanon (French mandate)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Tanganyika (proposed British mandate)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Togoland (proposed British mandate)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Togoland (French mandate)- 100 [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Turkey- 100 [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yap and other Pacific islands (under Japanese mandate) (4)- 100 [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yugoslavia- 671


GENERAL NOTE.-The immigration quotas assigned to the various countries and quota-areas should not be regarded as having any political significance whatever, or as involving recognition of new governments, or of new boundaries, or of transfers of territory except as the United States Government has already made such recognition in a formal and official manner. . . . Calvin Coolidge.[/FONT]
 
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I thought this table showing population trends in Canada to 2056 might be useful to this thread.

Population Projections for Canada, Provinces and Territories: Tables

Note that the table shows births in Canada outnumbering deaths until about 2020. After that deaths outnumber births until by 2056 there are about 110,000 more deaths than births. This indicates that after 2020 Canada's population will begin a slow decline along with an aging of the population as well. It will eventually reach a point where only large scale immigration will be able to stop the decline. Of course, Canada could continue to maintain current immigration levels and avoid a population crisis.
 
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dumpthemonarchy said:
Newcomers to Canada just aren't doing as well as native born Canucks. This has happened for a while but it is time for govt to respond and lower immigration levels. Time for a breather to pay for all the needless stimulus packages to let the unemployment fall and benefit labour, as opposed to capital.

Close the gates to newcomers

Close the gates to newcomers


The reality is that for some years now the costs of immigration have exceeded the benefits



By JAMES BISSETT, Canwest News ServicesMarch 17, 2010

Industry Minister Tony Clement has bemoaned the fact that Canada's unemployment figures are at an "unacceptable level" and claims that job creation is a top priority of the federal government. If the minister is serious about this he might then well ask his colleague Jason Kenney, the immigration minister, why our immigration levels are at such unprecedented high levels when there are 1.3 million men and women looking for work.

In the past two years while the country has been in the midst of a serious recession 483,000 immigrants entered Canada. In addition to the immigrants, in 2008 alone, 192,519 temporary foreign workers entered and joined the 170,975 who were already here - for an amazing total of 363,494.

Why such high volumes if indeed the government is worried about job losses? Are ministers not aware that in the first year of recession Canada lost 486,000 full-time jobs and within the next few months 810,000 workers will run out of unemployment benefits?

In the past when Canada was entering an economic downturn it was customary to turn the immigration tap off, or at least to slow it down. The rationale was simple: What was the point in bringing to Canada immigrants who would find it difficult to find employment, and why make it more difficult for unemployed Canadians workers to get back to work?

However, for the past 20 years governments have set immigration levels extraordinarily high, aiming for about 250,000 a year, regardless of economic or labour-force conditions. As the number of applications increased an enormous backlog has piled up. In June of 2008 it was estimated to be between 900,000 and 950,000. Now it probably exceeds one million.

The staggering number of foreign temporary workers entering Canada is a direct result of the inability of visa officers overseas to deal with the high volume of immigration set by the government targets. Canadian employers trying to avoid lengthy immigration delays hire foreign temporary workers instead. They frequently engage agents abroad to select and recruit the workers.

Since many of these workers do not have to undergo normal criminal and security checks, they are able to get to Canada faster and avoid the backlog. Many of the workers are unskilled with poor language qualifications and it is known they must pay their agent large sums of money to be chosen for Canada. How many of them will eventually return home is an open question.

One of the serious consequences of reliance on temporary workers is the danger of falling into the same trap as many of the western European countries in the 1960s and '70s when they lost control of their guest-worker and asylum programs. These countries suddenly - but too late - realized they had inadvertently created a massive underclass residing in their major urban centres.

Studies have shown that the immigrants arriving since the early 1990s are not doing as well as those from earlier times. Many are living below the so-called poverty line and immigrants between the ages of 25 and 54 have a much higher unemployment rate than the native born.


Only about 18 per cent of immigrants are selected by the federal government because they possess the skills, training, or education needed to fill labour shortages. By far the greater numbers are selected because they are sponsored by relatives who are already in Canada or they are admitted for humanitarian reasons, are refugees, or are chosen by the provinces.

The reality is that for a number of years now the costs of immigration have exceeded the benefits, and the long-range economic, social, and environmental implications of continuing such high levels - especially during times of economic uncertainty - have not been taken into account by governments.

Our political representatives have a responsibility - if not a duty - to address important issues of public policy. It is high time they took a hard and intelligent look at our immigration policy and in a non-partisan fashion introduce measures to ensure that immigration serves the interests of Canada. This is not happening now, and now is not the time for our politicians to opt out.

James Bissett is former executive director of the Canadian Immigration Service.

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If abortion was illegal then the immigration would be lower but we need the people because our laws protect the legal right for the mother to kill a future taxpayer.
 
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If abortion was illegal then the immigration would be lower but we need the people because our laws protect the legal right for the mother to kill a future taxpayer.
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Can I have some of what you're on? Abortion? Get real. A newborn human takes, what, eighteen years to mature enough to be taxed. How long does it take an immigrant before he is deemed taxworthy?
 
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Can I have some of what you're on? Abortion? Get real. A newborn human takes, what, eighteen years to mature enough to be taxed. How long does it take an immigrant before he is deemed taxworthy?
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It has SFA to do with taxes.

How much is a human worth? How much can you take in loans on a human? How do humans increase the value of a nation? What is the base price and what is the price of a fully educated healthy human?

A good slave was $1500 in the mid 1800's. What would you pay today?
 
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Not just houses and cars. I can easily think of dozens of businesses that would be adversely affected by a decline in population. Everything from attendance at theatres to the purchase of clothing and appliances would suffer.

There is also another problem associated with low immigration and a low birth rate and that is an aging population. Japan has already run into this problem. In that country the average age in now 41 and the slowdown in the Japanese economy that began in the 1980s is partly due to the decline in demand from Japanese consumers caused by a drop in the birthrate and the aging of the population. Unfortunately for the Japanese the country is so xenophobic that it has not considered immigration as a solution.
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There's no room left for any more anyway. lol

The problem with higher and higher population is that it takes a toll on the rest of the world. It's a dead end. Species overpopulation eventually has to find a sustainable level or become extinct because it uses up all the resources it needs to survive. And that is true from little bugs like virii to large animals like elephants (and in the case of the latter, it doesn't help that elephants are also poached by humans besides that they are eating themselves out of existence).
 
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They're farming in Detroit. And, the beavers are back! You can buy a house for $1.00. It's like an apocalyptic B movie! Sic transit...

Farming: One way to try and save Detroit - Dec. 29, 2009
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It's wild there. From a population high of 2.5 million to 800,000 today.

They've always been farming in Detroit. It's not new it just looks good on TV.

Ford was big on urban farming and encouraged employees to do so and many Afro Americans that came to Detroit to work came from farms in the south and grew their one food out of habit.

North Americas first ghost metropolis. I'm sure we'll see more. If the rivers that feed AZ run dry Phoenix, Scottsdale and Tuscon will soon follow Detroit.
 
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petros said:
If you want to see what mass urban depopulation looks like go to Detroit.
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So Detroit is acquiring a more sustainable population and people are claiming back the agricultural aspect of the land. Awesome! There's still probably thousands of acres of what used to be great growing land under all that asphalt and concrete, though.
 
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AnnaG said:
So Detroit is acquiring a more sustainable population and people are claiming back the agricultural aspect of the land. Awesome! There's still probably thousands of acres of what used to be great growing land under all that asphalt and concrete, though.
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Nooooooo it looks like Gaza or New Orleans. Nothing is being balanced at all.
 
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