The Gospel of Jesus’s Wife

[spaminator]

'Ancient' script that suggested Jesus was married likely a forgery, says prof who first made it famous
The Washington Post and Postmedia Network
First posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 02:23 PM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 02:38 PM EDT
A Harvard professor who revealed what came to be know as "The Gospel of Jesus's Wife" now believes the ancient script might be a forgery.
The scrap of papyrus that included the words "Jesus said to them, My wife ..." attracted worldwide attention in 2012.
At the time, Professor Karen L. King, of Harvard University's Divinity School, said it was highly probably "that the fragment is an ancient text."
Harvard Theological Review editors agreed, authenticating it likely came from the sixth century or even earlier.
But questions have risen in the past couple of years over the original donor of the script, and historical inaccuracies in the documents that accompanied it.
"If you ask me today which direction am I leaning more toward - ancient text or a modern forgery - based on this new evidence, I'm leaning toward modern forgery," King told The Associated Press.
Professor Karen L. King had believed this fragment quoted Jesus referring to his wife. However, she now believes the document is a fake. (Karen L. King / Associated Press)

'Ancient' script that suggested Jesus was married likely a forgery, says prof wh

 

[MHz]

Shet ye trap, Sap. Your knowledge on any religious matter could be stored in the pocket of a piss ant. you be a big dummah

The meltdown looks good on you.

 

[Ludlow]

The meltdown looks good on you.

Do us all a favor Oral. start soliciting donations , you can find a few dozen scriptures to post that will support your position.

 

[Trek]

Paul didn't even know Jesus. He wasn't an apostle he was an opportunist who saw a chance to control a fledgling religious movement. His teaching are in direct contrast to Jesus teachings. He was a fraud and he has the evangelicals all bamboozled.

You speak in direct opposition to Jesus teachings & what is evident in the Bible scriptures because you believe in your own imaginings rather than what is written in the Bible. The Bible clearly tells us Saul/Paul met Christ Jesus and was chosen by Jesus on the way to Damascus to be His apostle and to spread the Gospel to the Gentile world. Was Paul a TRUE Apostle?


QUESTION: Since Paul was not one of Jesus' original twelve disciples then how could he be an apostle?
ANSWER: The book of Acts records the calling and conversion of Saul of Tarsus, a zealous persecutor of those who believed Jesus was the Messiah. Paul was personally chosen by the risen and glorified Christ to be His apostle to the Gentiles. He makes in clear in the book of Galatians that his special calling was "not from men nor through man" (Galatians 1:1), meaning no human or church group chose or 'ordained' Paul to be a minister or told him to preach to the Gentiles.
Paul's commission, which came directly from God, was known the day he was baptized (Acts 9:15-16). It did not take him long after his baptism to begin powerfully proclaiming that Jesus (who, only a short while before, he was persecuting - Acts 9:4) was the Son of God (see Acts 9:19 - 25).
Paul reiterates his direct calling and commission by stating, again in Galatians, that after his conversion he had no communication whatsoever with the other apostles (James, Peter, John, etc.) until many years later (Galatians 1:16).
The word apostle means "one sent." The twelve who had been with Jesus throughout His ministry were called to be eyewitnesses of His resurrection (Acts 1:21 - 22). When Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, he lost his part in this calling. Knowing that one of Jesus' other disciples needed to take Judas' part, the eleven found two among the 120 disciples who had also been with Jesus during His entire ministry and were present at His ascension - Matthias and Barsabas. Matthias was chosen by the risen Christ to take part with the eleven as an eyewitness of His resurrection (Acts 1:24 - 26).
Paul also became an eyewitness "as of one born out of due time" (1Corinthians 15:18). He personally saw the risen Christ and was taught by Him for 3½ years in Arabia (Galatians 1:17, 1Corinthians 11:2, 23) - which occurred after his conversion in Damascus.
Maps of Paul's Missionary Journeys
First Journey
Second
Third
Fourth
Final journey

The New Testament clearly establishes three criteria for the designation of apostle.

• Seeing the risen Christ in order to be an eyewitness of His resurrection (Acts 1:22)
• Being personally taught by Him for 3½ years (Acts 1:22)
• Receiving a specific commission from Christ Himself (Acts 1:17, 25)

Paul fulfilled all three criteria and is therefore, without a doubt, an apostle. In closing, it should be noted that NO MAN, since the first century A.D., has met these three criteria for the designation of apostle.

Cities visited by Paul
Antioch - Assos - Athens - Caesarea - Corinth
Damascus - Ephesus - Miletus - Neapolis
Philippi - Tarsus - Thessalonica - Troas

 

[MHz]

You speak in direct opposition to Jesus teachings & what is evident in the Bible scriptures because you believe in your own imaginings rather than what is written in the Bible. The Bible clearly tells us Saul/Paul met Christ Jesus and was chosen by Jesus on the way to Damascus to be His apostle and to spread the Gospel to the Gentile world. Was Paul a TRUE Apostle?
http://www.biblestudy.org/biblepic/troas-apostle-paul-missionary-journeys.html

Cliffy's argument will it was in the spirit and not in the flesh. What Cliffy can't do is eliminate the possibility that Saul was in the audience in the Temple at Passover for the blistering sermon that Jesus gave the Temple staff in Matthew:23. That certainly would have sent Saul into a inner rage that would allow his hatred to manifest itself in Stephen's murder and the persecution that drove many (Christian Jews) out of Judea at that time. After Saul's conversion he was probably the one to escort Jesus's mom and the beloved Disciple to Greece. That is another theme that Cliffy can't say was an impossibility.

 

[Ludlow]

Cliffy's argument will it was in the spirit and not in the flesh. What Cliffy can't do is eliminate the possibility that Saul was in the audience in the Temple at Passover for the blistering sermon that Jesus gave the Temple staff in Matthew:23. That certainly would have sent Saul into a inner rage that would allow his hatred to manifest itself in Stephen's murder and the persecution that drove many (Christian Jews) out of Judea at that time. After Saul's conversion he was probably the one to escort Jesus's mom and the beloved Disciple to Greece. That is another theme that Cliffy can't say was an impossibility.

Cool. Why don't you make up some more shyt. Pretty soon you can write your own bible.

You speak in direct opposition to Jesus teachings & what is evident in the Bible scriptures because you believe in your own imaginings rather than what is written in the Bible. The Bible clearly tells us Saul/Paul met Christ Jesus and was chosen by Jesus on the way to Damascus to be His apostle and to spread the Gospel to the Gentile world. Was Paul a TRUE Apostle?


QUESTION: Since Paul was not one of Jesus' original twelve disciples then how could he be an apostle?
ANSWER: The book of Acts records the calling and conversion of Saul of Tarsus, a zealous persecutor of those who believed Jesus was the Messiah. Paul was personally chosen by the risen and glorified Christ to be His apostle to the Gentiles. He makes in clear in the book of Galatians that his special calling was "not from men nor through man" (Galatians 1:1), meaning no human or church group chose or 'ordained' Paul to be a minister or told him to preach to the Gentiles.
Paul's commission, which came directly from God, was known the day he was baptized (Acts 9:15-16). It did not take him long after his baptism to begin powerfully proclaiming that Jesus (who, only a short while before, he was persecuting - Acts 9:4) was the Son of God (see Acts 9:19 - 25).
Paul reiterates his direct calling and commission by stating, again in Galatians, that after his conversion he had no communication whatsoever with the other apostles (James, Peter, John, etc.) until many years later (Galatians 1:16).
The word apostle means "one sent." The twelve who had been with Jesus throughout His ministry were called to be eyewitnesses of His resurrection (Acts 1:21 - 22). When Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, he lost his part in this calling. Knowing that one of Jesus' other disciples needed to take Judas' part, the eleven found two among the 120 disciples who had also been with Jesus during His entire ministry and were present at His ascension - Matthias and Barsabas. Matthias was chosen by the risen Christ to take part with the eleven as an eyewitness of His resurrection (Acts 1:24 - 26).
Paul also became an eyewitness "as of one born out of due time" (1Corinthians 15:18). He personally saw the risen Christ and was taught by Him for 3½ years in Arabia (Galatians 1:17, 1Corinthians 11:2, 23) - which occurred after his conversion in Damascus.
Maps of Paul's Missionary Journeys
First Journey
Second
Third
Fourth
Final journey

The New Testament clearly establishes three criteria for the designation of apostle.

• Seeing the risen Christ in order to be an eyewitness of His resurrection (Acts 1:22)
• Being personally taught by Him for 3½ years (Acts 1:22)
• Receiving a specific commission from Christ Himself (Acts 1:17, 25)

Paul fulfilled all three criteria and is therefore, without a doubt, an apostle. In closing, it should be noted that NO MAN, since the first century A.D., has met these three criteria for the designation of apostle.

Cities visited by Paul
Antioch - Assos - Athens - Caesarea - Corinth
Damascus - Ephesus - Miletus - Neapolis
Philippi - Tarsus - Thessalonica - Troas

Saul was a case study in cognitive dissonance. Anyone who has read his epistles and fails to pick that up is wallowing in willful ignorance.

 

[MHz]

Nothing wrong with the one that already exists, you should read it sometime.

Even the blind can see clearer than you do.

 

[Motar]

A Harvard professor who revealed what came to be know as "The Gospel of Jesus's Wife" now believes the ancient script might be a forgery.
The scrap of papyrus that included the words "Jesus said to them, My wife ..." attracted worldwide attention in 2012.
At the time, Professor Karen L. King, of Harvard University's Divinity School, said it was highly probably "that the fragment is an ancient text."
Harvard Theological Review editors agreed, authenticating it likely came from the sixth century or even earlier.
But questions have risen in the past couple of years over the original donor of the script, and historical inaccuracies in the documents that accompanied it.
"If you ask me today which direction am I leaning more toward - ancient text or a modern forgery - based on this new evidence, I'm leaning toward modern forgery," King told The Associated Press.

Theological bias yields to critical thinking : )

 

[MHz]

Saul was a case study in cognitive dissonance. Anyone who has read his epistles and fails to pick that up is wallowing in willful ignorance.

Peter was the first Apostle to teach the Gentiles about the coming bruise to the head prophecy. When Peter and Paul finally met for two weeks the only disagreement they has was about which James was more important, James the Apostle or James, the brother of Jesus. Now you have two teaching the same thing and all the other Apostles would have taught the same thing. Luke:21:12-24 would also have been taught as the scattering was in 70AD and prophecy isn't taught as

You do realize that you look sillier and sillier with every post you make, don't you and that is sure to follow you around from thread to thread. lol You might as well change your handle to Stupid.

 

[Angstrom]

Well this thread is a prime example of stupid.

 

[MHz]

QUESTION: Since Paul was not one of Jesus' original twelve disciples then how could he be an apostle?
ANSWER: The book of Acts records the calling and conversion of Saul of Tarsus, a zealous persecutor of those who believed Jesus was the Messiah. Paul was personally chosen by the risen and glorified Christ to be His apostle to the Gentiles.

That choosing may have been a tad different than what you are claiming. Saul would most likely have been called to examine 4 books that appeared from nowhere that were written in flawless Greek. Saul would have been reading Luke and the passage that brought the light was the lord's prayer being said by a devout follower of God, even if he was misguided at the time. This would have been the start of a prophecy that was related to the 'latter days' and that same sort of event should happen to many Gentiles as they also say sincere prayers during the final stages of the 'latter days'.

De:4:27-31:
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear,
nor eat,
nor smell.
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

The few in numbers is a reference to the 144,000 that are sealed from physical harm that comes during the first 6 trumps. All the rest of the 12 Tribes will need a resurrection to become alive again.

Eze:39:23:
And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity:
because they trespassed against me,
therefore hid I my face from them,
and gave them into the hand of their enemies:
so fell they all by the sword.
Eze:39:24:
According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them,
and hid my face from them.

He makes in clear in the book of Galatians that his special calling was "not from men nor through man" (Galatians 1:1), meaning no human or church group chose or 'ordained' Paul to be a minister or told him to preach to the Gentiles.

Christ dictating what words God gave Him through the Holy Spirit. We pray to God and God sends Christ if that prayer is to be answered.

Paul's commission, which came directly from God, was known the day he was baptized (Acts 9:15-16). It did not take him long after his baptism to begin powerfully proclaiming that Jesus (who, only a short while before, he was persecuting - Acts 9:4) was the Son of God (see Acts 9:19 - 25).

Saul may have gotten the 4 Gospels during his time of blindness as he passed the smell test with the Disciples who came to restore his vision. What he taught in the epistles would have been given to him at the time he gave the info to the people (and it was writteb down)

Paul reiterates his direct calling and commission by stating, again in Galatians, that after his conversion he had no communication whatsoever with the other apostles (James, Peter, John, etc.) until many years later (Galatians 1:16).

Peter and the Apostles stayed in Jerusalem, they would have been teaching the very same Gospel to the people there, right up until they departed for the Nations in 70AD. (all Christians in Judea would have departed on their own rather than being led away by a Roman army.

The word apostle means "one sent." The twelve who had been with Jesus throughout His ministry were called to be eyewitnesses of His resurrection (Acts 1:21 - 22). When Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, he lost his part in this calling.

He still repented his sins before he died so he still has a place with the Apostles when they are resurrected.

Knowing that one of Jesus' other disciples needed to take Judas' part, the eleven found two among the 120 disciples who had also been with Jesus during His entire ministry and were present at His ascension - Matthias and Barsabas. Matthias was chosen by the risen Christ to take part with the eleven as an eyewitness of His resurrection (Acts 1:24 - 26).

Where does it say they were with Jesus for 3 1/2 years? The time starts from when John the Baptist was called and that was about 6 months before Jesus was baptized and that was about 1 month before a Passover and even then Jesus did not start preaching until John was in prison. May of Bethany was a Disciple of John so she alone would have been there for all that John had to say.

Paul also became an eyewitness "as of one born out of due time" (1Corinthians 15:18). He personally saw the risen Christ and was taught by Him for 3½ years in Arabia (Galatians 1:17, 1Corinthians 11:2, 23) - which occurred after his conversion in Damascus.

It actually says 3 years.
http://www.biblestudy.org/maps/apostle-paul-fifth-missionary-journey-map.html

The New Testament clearly establishes three criteria for the designation of apostle.

• Seeing the risen Christ in order to be an eyewitness of His resurrection (Acts 1:22)
• Being personally taught by Him for 3½ years (Acts 1:22)
• Receiving a specific commission from Christ Himself (Acts 1:17, 25)

Paul fulfilled all three criteria and is therefore, without a doubt, an apostle. In closing, it should be noted that NO MAN, since the first century A.D., has met these three criteria for the designation of apostle.
http://www.biblestudy.org/biblepic/troas-apostle-paul-missionary-journeys.html

Jesus didn't baptize anybody until after His resurrection.

 

[Trek]

Total drivel on this thread.

 

[MHz]

You have yet to put out any argument that supports how my posts are out of context and as fl;awed as you claim they are. If you can't do that then perhaps your own version is the one that is out of context and flawed. Even pre-tribbers have to alter one verse as it says the man of sin will be here sitting on a throne in Jerusalem before anybody is gathered.

2Th:2:1-5:
Now we beseech you,
brethren,
by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and by our gathering together unto him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind,
or be troubled,
neither by spirit,
nor by word,
nor by letter as from us,
as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed,
the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.
Remember ye not,
that,
when I was yet with you,
I told you these things?

 

[Trek]

You have yet to put out any argument that supports how my posts are out of context and as fl;awed as you claim they are. If you can't do that then perhaps your own version is the one that is out of context and flawed. Even pre-tribbers have to alter one verse as it says the man of sin will be here sitting on a throne in Jerusalem before anybody is gathered.

2Th:2:1-5:
Now we beseech you,
brethren,
by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and by our gathering together unto him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind,
or be troubled,
neither by spirit,
nor by word,
nor by letter as from us,
as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed,
the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.
Remember ye not,
that,
when I was yet with you,
I told you these things?

Too much utter nonsense, I wouldn't know where to begin.

 

[MHz]

I don't seem to have any problem coming up a reply to your posts. You can't find one topic because there are too many? That's quite the argument you have there. Best of luck with it, lol.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

http://www.biblestudy.org/question/was-paul-really-an-apostle.html


QUESTION: Since Paul was not one of Jesus' original twelve disciples then how could he be an apostle?
http://www.biblestudy.org/biblepic/troas-apostle-paul-missionary-journeys.html

Since Gollum held the One Ring for decades, if not centuries, why was he not a Ringbearer, when Sam, who held it for a few hours, was?

 

[Trek]

Since Gollum held the One Ring for decades, if not centuries, why was he not a Ringbearer, when Sam, who held it for a few hours, was?

Paul was an Apostle as it is shown in the Bible.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Paul was an Apostle as it is shown in the Bible.

Gollum was a Ringbearer as it is shown in The Hobbit and Return of the King.

 

[Motar]

Gollum was a Ringbearer as it is shown in The Hobbit and Return of the King.

Nice metaphor, TB : ) Matthew 20:1-16 sheds some light. It would seem that although Gollum held the ring for a time, he was never hired to do so.

 

[Trek]

Nice metaphor, TB : ) Matthew 20:1-16 sheds some light. It would seem that although Gollum held the ring for a time, he was never hired to do so.

I disagree, Gollum was not a ringbearer - he only found the ring & fell under it's bewitchment. Gollum was not anointed, or called by any authority to be the Ringbearer or carry out any commission.