Re: U.S. to Canada: WikiLeaks release may hurt relations
I wonder if the FBI will be as willing to prosecute this attack?
I wonder if the FBI will be as willing to prosecute this attack?
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WikiLeaks shocker
WikiLeaks Shocker read it and weep. We are in for a major change http://nyti.ms/eVwXG1
WikiLeaks Shocker read it and weep. We are in for a major change http://nyti.ms/eVwXG1
Re: WikiLeaks shocker
I figure that if you are too lazy to post any description of, or part of the article you've linked to, then it isn't worth reading, and certainly not worth commenting on.
I figure that if you are too lazy to post any description of, or part of the article you've linked to, then it isn't worth reading, and certainly not worth commenting on.
Re: WikiLeaks shocker
Ten Penny Oh God 250,000 embassy secret cables being released in waves in continuing tonight and tomarrow all I can say is it is the best read in a long time
What can I say just click on the link and be part of the talk it will blow you away
That Pfc American soldier will rot in prison for a long time for this fiasco
Ten Penny Oh God 250,000 embassy secret cables being released in waves in continuing tonight and tomarrow all I can say is it is the best read in a long time
What can I say just click on the link and be part of the talk it will blow you away
That Pfc American soldier will rot in prison for a long time for this fiasco
Re: WikiLeaks shocker
Well the main points of the article:
¶ Gaming out an eventual collapse of North Korea: American and South Korean officials have discussed the prospects for a unified Korea, should the North’s economic troubles and political transition lead the state to implode. The South Koreans even considered commercial inducements to China, according to the American ambassador to Seoul. She told Washington in February that South Korean officials believe that the right business deals would “help salve” China’s “concerns about living with a reunified Korea” that is in a “benign alliance” with the United States.
¶ Bargaining to empty the Guantánamo Bay prison: When American diplomats pressed other countries to resettle detainees, they became reluctant players in a State Department version of “Let’s Make a Deal.” Slovenia was told to take a prisoner if it wanted to meet with President Obama, while the island nation of Kiribati was offered incentives worth millions of dollars to take in a group of detainees, cables from diplomats recounted. The Americans, meanwhile, suggested that accepting more prisoners would be “a low-cost way for Belgium to attain prominence in Europe.”
¶ Suspicions of corruption in the Afghan government: When Afghanistan’s vice president visited the United Arab Emirates last year, local authorities working with the Drug Enforcement Administration discovered that he was carrying $52 million in cash. With wry understatement, a cable from the American Embassy in Kabul called the money “a significant amount” that the official, Ahmed Zia Massoud, “was ultimately allowed to keep without revealing the money’s origin or destination.” (Mr. Massoud denies taking any money out of Afghanistan.)
¶ A global computer hacking effort: China’s Politburo directed the intrusion into Google’s computer systems in that country, a Chinese contact told the American Embassy in Beijing in January, one cable reported. The Google hacking was part of a coordinated campaign of computer sabotage carried out by government operatives, private security experts and Internet outlaws recruited by the Chinese government. They have broken into American government computers and those of Western allies, the Dalai Lama and American businesses since 2002, cables said.
¶ Mixed records against terrorism: Saudi donors remain the chief financiers of Sunni militant groups like Al Qaeda, and the tiny Persian Gulf state of Qatar, a generous host to the American military for years, was the “worst in the region” in counterterrorism efforts, according to a State Department cable last December. Qatar’s security service was “hesitant to act against known terrorists out of concern for appearing to be aligned with the U.S. and provoking reprisals,” the cable said.
¶ An intriguing alliance: American diplomats in Rome reported in 2009 on what their Italian contacts described as an extraordinarily close relationship between Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian prime minister, and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister and business magnate, including “lavish gifts,” lucrative energy contracts and a “shadowy” Russian-speaking Italian go-between. They wrote that Mr. Berlusconi “appears increasingly to be the mouthpiece of Putin” in Europe. The diplomats also noted that while Mr. Putin enjoys supremacy over all other public figures in Russia, he is undermined by an unmanageable bureaucracy that often ignores his edicts.
¶ Arms deliveries to militants: Cables describe the United States’ failing struggle to prevent Syria from supplying arms to Hezbollah in Lebanon, which has amassed a huge stockpile since its 2006 war with Israel. One week after President Bashar al-Assad promised a top State Department official that he would not send “new” arms to Hezbollah, the United States complained that it had information that Syria was providing increasingly sophisticated weapons to the group.
State's Secrets
¶ Clashes with Europe over human rights: American officials sharply warned Germany in 2007 not to enforce arrest warrants for Central Intelligence Agency officers involved in a bungled operation in which an innocent German citizen with the same name as a suspected militant was mistakenly kidnapped and held for months in Afghanistan. A senior American diplomat told a German official “that our intention was not to threaten Germany, but rather to urge that the German government weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S.”
To be honest, most of the points the New York Times makes aren't really news; I bet most of them can be found on these forums at some point.
Well the main points of the article:
¶ Gaming out an eventual collapse of North Korea: American and South Korean officials have discussed the prospects for a unified Korea, should the North’s economic troubles and political transition lead the state to implode. The South Koreans even considered commercial inducements to China, according to the American ambassador to Seoul. She told Washington in February that South Korean officials believe that the right business deals would “help salve” China’s “concerns about living with a reunified Korea” that is in a “benign alliance” with the United States.
¶ Bargaining to empty the Guantánamo Bay prison: When American diplomats pressed other countries to resettle detainees, they became reluctant players in a State Department version of “Let’s Make a Deal.” Slovenia was told to take a prisoner if it wanted to meet with President Obama, while the island nation of Kiribati was offered incentives worth millions of dollars to take in a group of detainees, cables from diplomats recounted. The Americans, meanwhile, suggested that accepting more prisoners would be “a low-cost way for Belgium to attain prominence in Europe.”
¶ Suspicions of corruption in the Afghan government: When Afghanistan’s vice president visited the United Arab Emirates last year, local authorities working with the Drug Enforcement Administration discovered that he was carrying $52 million in cash. With wry understatement, a cable from the American Embassy in Kabul called the money “a significant amount” that the official, Ahmed Zia Massoud, “was ultimately allowed to keep without revealing the money’s origin or destination.” (Mr. Massoud denies taking any money out of Afghanistan.)
¶ A global computer hacking effort: China’s Politburo directed the intrusion into Google’s computer systems in that country, a Chinese contact told the American Embassy in Beijing in January, one cable reported. The Google hacking was part of a coordinated campaign of computer sabotage carried out by government operatives, private security experts and Internet outlaws recruited by the Chinese government. They have broken into American government computers and those of Western allies, the Dalai Lama and American businesses since 2002, cables said.
¶ Mixed records against terrorism: Saudi donors remain the chief financiers of Sunni militant groups like Al Qaeda, and the tiny Persian Gulf state of Qatar, a generous host to the American military for years, was the “worst in the region” in counterterrorism efforts, according to a State Department cable last December. Qatar’s security service was “hesitant to act against known terrorists out of concern for appearing to be aligned with the U.S. and provoking reprisals,” the cable said.
¶ An intriguing alliance: American diplomats in Rome reported in 2009 on what their Italian contacts described as an extraordinarily close relationship between Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian prime minister, and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister and business magnate, including “lavish gifts,” lucrative energy contracts and a “shadowy” Russian-speaking Italian go-between. They wrote that Mr. Berlusconi “appears increasingly to be the mouthpiece of Putin” in Europe. The diplomats also noted that while Mr. Putin enjoys supremacy over all other public figures in Russia, he is undermined by an unmanageable bureaucracy that often ignores his edicts.
¶ Arms deliveries to militants: Cables describe the United States’ failing struggle to prevent Syria from supplying arms to Hezbollah in Lebanon, which has amassed a huge stockpile since its 2006 war with Israel. One week after President Bashar al-Assad promised a top State Department official that he would not send “new” arms to Hezbollah, the United States complained that it had information that Syria was providing increasingly sophisticated weapons to the group.
State's Secrets
¶ Clashes with Europe over human rights: American officials sharply warned Germany in 2007 not to enforce arrest warrants for Central Intelligence Agency officers involved in a bungled operation in which an innocent German citizen with the same name as a suspected militant was mistakenly kidnapped and held for months in Afghanistan. A senior American diplomat told a German official “that our intention was not to threaten Germany, but rather to urge that the German government weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S.”
To be honest, most of the points the New York Times makes aren't really news; I bet most of them can be found on these forums at some point.
Re: WikiLeaks shocker
Not surprised with the stupidity of the CIA, but that should highlight how invasive the west's priorities are.
Not surprised with the stupidity of the CIA, but that should highlight how invasive the west's priorities are.
Re: U.S. to Canada: WikiLeaks release may hurt relations
The NY Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp
Some of the leaks:
A dangerous standoff with Pakistan over nuclear fuel: Since 2007, the United States has mounted a highly secret effort, so far unsuccessful, to remove from a Pakistani research reactor highly enriched uranium that American officials fear could be diverted for use in an illicit nuclear device. In May 2009, Ambassador Anne W. Patterson reported that Pakistan was refusing to schedule a visit by American technical experts because, as a Pakistani official said, “if the local media got word of the fuel removal, ‘they certainly would portray it as the United States taking Pakistan’s nuclear weapons,’ he argued.”
Bargaining to empty the Guantánamo Bay prison: When American diplomats pressed other countries to resettle detainees, they became reluctant players in a State Department version of “Let’s Make a Deal.” Slovenia was told to take a prisoner if it wanted to meet with President Obama, while the island nation of Kiribati was offered incentives worth millions of dollars to take in a group of detainees, cables from diplomats recounted. The Americans, meanwhile, suggested that accepting more prisoners would be “a low-cost way for Belgium to attain prominence in Europe.”
Suspicions of corruption in the Afghan government: When Afghanistan’s vice president visited the United Arab Emirates last year, local authorities working with the Drug Enforcement Administration discovered that he was carrying $52 million in cash. With wry understatement, a cable from the American Embassy in Kabul called the money “a significant amount” that the official, Ahmed Zia Massoud, “was ultimately allowed to keep without revealing the money’s origin or destination.” (Mr. Massoud denies taking any money out of Afghanistan.)
A global computer hacking effort: China’s Politburo directed the intrusion into Google’s computer systems in that country, a Chinese contact told the American Embassy in Beijing in January, one cable reported. The Google hacking was part of a coordinated campaign of computer sabotage carried out by government operatives, private security experts and Internet outlaws recruited by the Chinese government. They have broken into American government computers and those of Western allies, the Dalai Lama and American businesses since 2002, cables said.
An intriguing alliance: American diplomats in Rome reported in 2009 on what their Italian contacts described as an extraordinarily close relationship between Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian prime minister, and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister and business magnate, including “lavish gifts,” lucrative energy contracts and a “shadowy” Russian-speaking Italian go-between. They wrote that Mr. Berlusconi “appears increasingly to be the mouthpiece of Putin” in Europe. The diplomats also noted that while Mr. Putin enjoys supremacy over all other public figures in Russia, he is undermined by an unmanageable bureaucracy that often ignores his edicts.
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Clashes with Europe over human rights: American officials sharply warned Germany in 2007 not to enforce arrest warrants for Central Intelligence Agency officers involved in a bungled operation in which an innocent German citizen with the same name as a suspected militant was mistakenly kidnapped and held for months in Afghanistan. A senior American diplomat told a German official “that our intention was not to threaten Germany, but rather to urge that the German government weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S.”
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Other than the last one, none of them really seem that much more clairvoyant to me than regular news.
From The Guardian:
--The cables published today reveal how the US uses its embassies as part of a global espionage network, with diplomats tasked to obtain not just information from the people they meet, but personal details, such as frequent flyer numbers, credit card details and even DNA material.
Classified "human intelligence directives" issued in the name of Hillary Clinton or her predecessor, Condoleeza Rice, instruct officials to gather information on military installations, weapons markings, vehicle details of political leaders as well as iris scans, fingerprints and DNA.
The most controversial target was the leadership of the United Nations. That directive requested the specification of telecoms and IT systems used by top UN officials and their staff and details of "private VIP networks used for official communication, to include upgrades, security measures, passwords, personal encryption keys".
When the Guardian put this allegation to Crowley, the state department spokesman said: "Let me assure you: our diplomats are just that, diplomats. They do not engage in intelligence activities. They represent our country around the world, maintain open and transparent contact with other governments as well as public and private figures, and report home. That's what diplomats have done for hundreds of years."
US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis | World news | guardian.co.uk
The NY Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp
Some of the leaks:
A dangerous standoff with Pakistan over nuclear fuel: Since 2007, the United States has mounted a highly secret effort, so far unsuccessful, to remove from a Pakistani research reactor highly enriched uranium that American officials fear could be diverted for use in an illicit nuclear device. In May 2009, Ambassador Anne W. Patterson reported that Pakistan was refusing to schedule a visit by American technical experts because, as a Pakistani official said, “if the local media got word of the fuel removal, ‘they certainly would portray it as the United States taking Pakistan’s nuclear weapons,’ he argued.”
Bargaining to empty the Guantánamo Bay prison: When American diplomats pressed other countries to resettle detainees, they became reluctant players in a State Department version of “Let’s Make a Deal.” Slovenia was told to take a prisoner if it wanted to meet with President Obama, while the island nation of Kiribati was offered incentives worth millions of dollars to take in a group of detainees, cables from diplomats recounted. The Americans, meanwhile, suggested that accepting more prisoners would be “a low-cost way for Belgium to attain prominence in Europe.”
Suspicions of corruption in the Afghan government: When Afghanistan’s vice president visited the United Arab Emirates last year, local authorities working with the Drug Enforcement Administration discovered that he was carrying $52 million in cash. With wry understatement, a cable from the American Embassy in Kabul called the money “a significant amount” that the official, Ahmed Zia Massoud, “was ultimately allowed to keep without revealing the money’s origin or destination.” (Mr. Massoud denies taking any money out of Afghanistan.)
A global computer hacking effort: China’s Politburo directed the intrusion into Google’s computer systems in that country, a Chinese contact told the American Embassy in Beijing in January, one cable reported. The Google hacking was part of a coordinated campaign of computer sabotage carried out by government operatives, private security experts and Internet outlaws recruited by the Chinese government. They have broken into American government computers and those of Western allies, the Dalai Lama and American businesses since 2002, cables said.
An intriguing alliance: American diplomats in Rome reported in 2009 on what their Italian contacts described as an extraordinarily close relationship between Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian prime minister, and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister and business magnate, including “lavish gifts,” lucrative energy contracts and a “shadowy” Russian-speaking Italian go-between. They wrote that Mr. Berlusconi “appears increasingly to be the mouthpiece of Putin” in Europe. The diplomats also noted that while Mr. Putin enjoys supremacy over all other public figures in Russia, he is undermined by an unmanageable bureaucracy that often ignores his edicts.
*******
Clashes with Europe over human rights: American officials sharply warned Germany in 2007 not to enforce arrest warrants for Central Intelligence Agency officers involved in a bungled operation in which an innocent German citizen with the same name as a suspected militant was mistakenly kidnapped and held for months in Afghanistan. A senior American diplomat told a German official “that our intention was not to threaten Germany, but rather to urge that the German government weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S.”
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Other than the last one, none of them really seem that much more clairvoyant to me than regular news.
From The Guardian:
--The cables published today reveal how the US uses its embassies as part of a global espionage network, with diplomats tasked to obtain not just information from the people they meet, but personal details, such as frequent flyer numbers, credit card details and even DNA material.
Classified "human intelligence directives" issued in the name of Hillary Clinton or her predecessor, Condoleeza Rice, instruct officials to gather information on military installations, weapons markings, vehicle details of political leaders as well as iris scans, fingerprints and DNA.
The most controversial target was the leadership of the United Nations. That directive requested the specification of telecoms and IT systems used by top UN officials and their staff and details of "private VIP networks used for official communication, to include upgrades, security measures, passwords, personal encryption keys".
When the Guardian put this allegation to Crowley, the state department spokesman said: "Let me assure you: our diplomats are just that, diplomats. They do not engage in intelligence activities. They represent our country around the world, maintain open and transparent contact with other governments as well as public and private figures, and report home. That's what diplomats have done for hundreds of years."
US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis | World news | guardian.co.uk
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Read more: CBC News - World - WikiLeaks reveals undiplomatic U.S. critiques
Wow!
It is all good!
Read more: CBC News - World - WikiLeaks reveals undiplomatic U.S. critiques
Wow!
It is all good!
Re: U.S. to Canada: WikiLeaks release may hurt relations
The Guardian has access to all of the most current cables - you can search based on origin country or countries referenced. There's even a search if you are so inclined:
US embassy cables: browse the database | World news | guardian.co.uk
The Guardian has access to all of the most current cables - you can search based on origin country or countries referenced. There's even a search if you are so inclined:
US embassy cables: browse the database | World news | guardian.co.uk
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I'm not concerned with what secrets the US has. What I really want to make public is the secrets Canada has. Seeing that I don't get to vote in US elections anyway, while will making US government secrets public help me?
I'm not concerned with what secrets the US has. What I really want to make public is the secrets Canada has. Seeing that I don't get to vote in US elections anyway, while will making US government secrets public help me?
Re: U.S. to Canada: WikiLeaks release may hurt relations
There will be about a 150 cables from both the American consulates in Montreal and Quebec available Thursday. The cables will have something to do with smuggling (probably arms) between Quebec and North African countries (Tunisia, Algeria etc), also stuff on the Parti Québecois and Gilles Duceppe, also stuff on Stephen Harper.
You can download the index files with keywords and tags here: Google Fusion Tables and also the glossary Babel glossary and look it up for yourself...
but here's some examples:
2006-03-24T15:12:00Z,Consulate Quebec,"ProvicialGOV, EFIN (Financial and Monetary Affairs), ECON, PREL(External Political Relations), CA, Parti Quebecois"
2005-02-11T12:42:00Z,Embassy Ottawa,"PGOV, PREL, CA, Gilles Duceppe, Bloc Quebecois"
2004-11-08T15:48:00Z,Consulate Quebec,"PGOV, PREL, CA, ECON, Parti Quebecois"
2004-10-13T16:33:00Z,Consulate Quebec,"PGOV, ECON, SENV, MARR, CA, Environment, Missile Defense"
2006-02-23T22:20:00Z,Consulate Quebec,"PGOV, PREL, CA, ECON, Stephen Harper"
2005-04-11T19:40:00Z,Consulate Quebec,"SOCI, SMIG, PGOV, PREL, EFIN, ECON, CA, MO, AG, TS, Smuggling"
There will be about a 150 cables from both the American consulates in Montreal and Quebec available Thursday. The cables will have something to do with smuggling (probably arms) between Quebec and North African countries (Tunisia, Algeria etc), also stuff on the Parti Québecois and Gilles Duceppe, also stuff on Stephen Harper.
You can download the index files with keywords and tags here: Google Fusion Tables and also the glossary Babel glossary and look it up for yourself...
but here's some examples:
2006-03-24T15:12:00Z,Consulate Quebec,"ProvicialGOV, EFIN (Financial and Monetary Affairs), ECON, PREL(External Political Relations), CA, Parti Quebecois"
2005-02-11T12:42:00Z,Embassy Ottawa,"PGOV, PREL, CA, Gilles Duceppe, Bloc Quebecois"
2004-11-08T15:48:00Z,Consulate Quebec,"PGOV, PREL, CA, ECON, Parti Quebecois"
2004-10-13T16:33:00Z,Consulate Quebec,"PGOV, ECON, SENV, MARR, CA, Environment, Missile Defense"
2006-02-23T22:20:00Z,Consulate Quebec,"PGOV, PREL, CA, ECON, Stephen Harper"
2005-04-11T19:40:00Z,Consulate Quebec,"SOCI, SMIG, PGOV, PREL, EFIN, ECON, CA, MO, AG, TS, Smuggling"
Re: U.S. to Canada: WikiLeaks release may hurt relations
Anything involving my local candidate? I'll keep an eye out.
Anything involving my local candidate? I'll keep an eye out.
Re: WikiLeaks shocker
Your last point seems dead on. There seems very little that is new or could not be guessed.
Your last point seems dead on. There seems very little that is new or could not be guessed.
Re: WikiLeaks shocker
There's also the little problem of the US spying on UN members - a serious violation.
"Details of the US spying mission were sent to the CIA, the U.S. Secret Service and the FBI under the heading ‘collection requirements and tasking’.
International treaties ban spying at the UN.
The 1946 UN convention on privileges and immunities states: ‘The premises of the United Nations shall be inviolable. The property and assets of the United Nations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, requisition, confiscation, expropriation and any other form of interference, whether by executive, administrative, judicial or legislative action."
WikiLeaks: Hillary Clinton ordered U.S. diplomats to spy on UN leaders | Mail Online
There's also the little problem of the US spying on UN members - a serious violation.
"Details of the US spying mission were sent to the CIA, the U.S. Secret Service and the FBI under the heading ‘collection requirements and tasking’.
International treaties ban spying at the UN.
The 1946 UN convention on privileges and immunities states: ‘The premises of the United Nations shall be inviolable. The property and assets of the United Nations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, requisition, confiscation, expropriation and any other form of interference, whether by executive, administrative, judicial or legislative action."
WikiLeaks: Hillary Clinton ordered U.S. diplomats to spy on UN leaders | Mail Online