The Church is not the Enemy
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Re: RE: The Church is not the
Why are you getting so angry and defensive all of a sudden? Does all this talk of death make you uneasy and uncertain?
FYI, I love my life. I have a great time. And you knwo what? I'm going to be having a great time for the rest of eternity.
Ocean Breeze said:
Why are you getting so angry and defensive all of a sudden? Does all this talk of death make you uneasy and uncertain?
FYI, I love my life. I have a great time. And you knwo what? I'm going to be having a great time for the rest of eternity.
Re: RE: The Church is not the
congratulations.. :roll:
actually this is getting a tad rediculous and funny. "Death" is the least of my concerns. It is LIFE that is a challenge at times..;-)
Have a great eternity.
p106_peppy said:
congratulations.. :roll:
actually this is getting a tad rediculous and funny. "Death" is the least of my concerns. It is LIFE that is a challenge at times..;-)
Have a great eternity.
p106_peppy said:
Not
Where in these lines do you see any room for choosing another religion?
p106_peppy said:
The Christian bible gives instructions on how slaves should abide by the will of their masters. Good god-fearing Christians used these passages to justify their hundred years of enslavement of black people all over the world...
p106_peppy said:
Nope
Please don't tell any more lies about your religion, as your book of fairytales contradicts what you are saying...
wow, you sure do sound like a bitter person, Vanni Fucci. It's funny how all the people, not necessarily belonging to a particular religion but saying it isn't the root of all evil can have the discussion without blowing their top off, whereas the other side gets extremely defensive and has to use vulgar language at times to try to prove their point. How can you guys say religious people are pushing their beliefs on you when all you do is preach about how ridiculous religion is on here and whoever believes in anything is a fool? How is that any different? And trust me, no one is forcing their religion on you. No one in Canada gets personal tax cuts and benefits for being a devout Catholic, Jew or Hindu. You guys are talking as if you need another civil rights movement to save yourselves from the treacherous jaws of religion. Come on people, we are all equal here (or is that statement too religious for you?).
Get real! start educating yourself! ever heard of the seperation of church and state??? well over the top religious fruitcakes called fundies..they want to bring their brand of religion to this forum, hope you not a sponge named bob squarepants 8O
RE: The Church is not the
Religion= cult.
Read some of the post. The neocons love to preach their mis guided beliefs and believe gawd should play a part of government law and policy.
Religion is the root of all evil. misguided myths and people fall for it as they were brainwashed by their parents.
Religion= cult.
Read some of the post. The neocons love to preach their mis guided beliefs and believe gawd should play a part of government law and policy.
Religion is the root of all evil. misguided myths and people fall for it as they were brainwashed by their parents.
lol, thx all of you for dancing around the topic yet again. Off topic and too much like a character attack? Wow, nothing that you've ever done now.
Get this straight! Ever heard of freedom of speech?? well its alive and well at this board. The topic of religion around here is brought to you by none other than fundie neocons! And they have met their match at this board!
We all know and have christian friends, they are our friends because they keep their beliefs and spirituality to themselves, in their own head, where it belongs.
The koran is just like the bible...two books of myths...here is the difference....we don't have muslims coming here saying gays cannot marry and have the same FULL rights as any other citizen does...but hey guess what??? Fundies like to come here and say different..coz their book of myths says so. Well some of us are not buying...nada! no sale!
I don't see any muslims around here yabbering self righteous phoney quotes. Come to think of it...in all the time I have been at this board, I have yet to see a muslim come here and use their religion like cheap neon light over the five and dime.
I don't see muslims coming here and undermining science, do you?
Nope, just the fundies, and I tell you, they are givining christianity a really bad name.
We all know and have christian friends, they are our friends because they keep their beliefs and spirituality to themselves, in their own head, where it belongs.
The koran is just like the bible...two books of myths...here is the difference....we don't have muslims coming here saying gays cannot marry and have the same FULL rights as any other citizen does...but hey guess what??? Fundies like to come here and say different..coz their book of myths says so. Well some of us are not buying...nada! no sale!
I don't see any muslims around here yabbering self righteous phoney quotes. Come to think of it...in all the time I have been at this board, I have yet to see a muslim come here and use their religion like cheap neon light over the five and dime.
I don't see muslims coming here and undermining science, do you?
Nope, just the fundies, and I tell you, they are givining christianity a really bad name.
yballa09 said:
so back on topic..........
...........you were saying???
( something to note: as has been pointed out by many very fine posters here........ "religion" is a private matter ....and most of us do NOT take kindly to being judged etc.--on a personal basis. comes too close to character attacks....(out of line here) That does not mean we don't do our share of judging, criticizing many of the currrent gov't officials.,policies etc But judgeing another poster is WAY OUT OF LINE. ......and should be taken to heart.
ever wonder this??? IF "religion " is supposed to be such a "good' thing..........How come it causes so many issues between people.??? Most silly arguements result from fixated beliefs......where people will not budge from their fixated position.......and believe they are right and eveyone else is chopped liver. Surprise, surprise..........that is NOT the case. You will find most posters here have a strong and caring humanitarian bent.
here is something else...no muslim ever came here and told me if I did something special I would end up in a kingdom, with 40 virgin clive owens, I get to pick ..nope! never happened...but peppy didn't mind telling me I was going to hell...uh huh...course he can't prove there is a hell :roll: but that does not matter...just coz.
Well peapod.........if ya is going to hell......... hell is looking better all the time. :wink:
( see ya there... :wink:
ccasion5: ccasion7:
( see ya there... :wink:
ccasion5: ccasion7:peapod said:
BEER, who mentioned beer? Hey, Rev. Blair, Beer's up. Oh, forgot, he is in the tank at 2 Rivers Red Brewry. Say, he didn't "bless" the tank by any chance, eh?
Petit Pois, 40 Clive Owens Virgins, you really have an active imagination but praytell, do they take out the trash and pick up their socks?
If I am going to be convicted of being a Christian, at least not let the evidence be on word of mouth but by following the teachings of the master. Being kind, humble and careing for your fellow man or woman. Too many fundementals think that word of mouth stuff works, screw the good actions and deeds.
Vanni Fucci said:
I'll drink to that.............. and the next round is on me...folks. :cheers:
Ocean Breeze said:
Oh. I am beginning to get the picture.
Imaging studies have revealed a connection between heavy drinking and physical brain damage.
Dr. Michael Fishman, the director of the adult addiction medicine program at Ridgeview Institute in metro-Atlanta says, “If you have a prefrontal cortex that does not mature as it’s supposed to as an adolescent and young adult, it could possibly impede many different areas of our lives. We could become more impulsive, have poor decision-making, our judgment could be off, and we might not be able to learn as well as other people.”
“This really isn’t even a scare tactic. It just is what it is, and it’s very, very damaging.”
All that beer, all those shrunken prefrontal cortexs, -- ah yes, that explains it.
http://www.connectingwithkids.com/tipsheet/2005/250_oct12/brain.html
Uncle
Religion and Violence
U.S. encourages "religious fundamentalism" to counter nationalist & socialist movements
by Ghali Hassan
It has been known for some times that U.S. President George W. Bush allegedly “heard God” telling him to invade Iraq. It is also alleged that Bush said: “I’m driven with a mission from God”. Why God would tell Bush to invade Iraq remains a mystery. Bush invaded Iraq because Bush alleged that Iraq possessed Weapon of Mass Destruction (WMD). There were no WMD in Iraq. The war was an immoral act of aggression.
As it is promoted by Western politicians, propagandists and the mainstream media, the new “War on Terror”, is a war against those Muslims, who “hate our freedom”, and who have a broad strategy to “dominate much of the world”. Although most Muslims believe – as Christians believe that Jesus is the only God – that “Islam is the only path to Heaven”, Muslims are not interested in dominating the world, and most Muslims see this as impossible. On the contrary, most Muslim nations are striving to be free from Western domination and imperialism. The Arabs masses, in particular, want “liberation from foreign occupation and the freedoms of opinion, _expression and movement”, noted the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) report.
A recent report by the Defence Science Board of the Pentagon revealed that; “Muslims do not 'hate our freedom,' but rather, they hate our policies. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favour of Israel against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing even increasing support for what Muslims collectively sees as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, and the Gulf states”. It is these U.S.-sponsored tyrannies and the unfair exploitation of the region’s oil resources – by Western corporations – that contributed to the emergence of political resistance movements against Western domination and imperialism.
The illegal war on Iraq and the ongoing colonial Occupation of the country reinforce the anti-imperialism view of the Muslim peoples. Thus, political Islam is “the work of non-religious political intellectuals” as a response to Western imperialist policies, and has very little to do with ‘Islam versus everything Western’. The labels of ‘Islamists’ and ‘Jihadist’ are convenient as a way to denigrate Islam in Western thoughts and remove any devotion to self-government and national independence.
By contrast, descriptions like nationalist and resistant are avoided by politicians, propagandists and the mass media because they describe people’s aspirations. The current usage of ‘Islamists’, ‘Jihadists’ and ‘insurgents’ – in place of nationalists and resistant – to describe the Iraqi Resistance is straight propaganda designed to dehumanise the Iraqi people and deny them legitimacy to resistance based on a just cause. Furthermore, the misleading description of the Iraqi Resistance as “insurgency”, represents violence and devoid of any noble cause and self-defence. The purpose is to blacken the Iraqi Resistance not only in the eyes of the Iraqi people, but also in the eyes of Western public.
It is important to recognise that the U.S. has encouraged ‘religious fundamentalism’ to counter nationalist and socialist movements. In the 1980s the U.S. and its allies created and financed the so-called ‘al-Qaida’ groups against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Members of al-Qaida, including Osama bin Laden, were called the “freedom fighters”. With the aid of these fundamentalist groups, the U.S. was able to spread it ideology in West Asia. In the U.S., Bush is supported by roughly 50 million right-wing fundamentalist Christians, who fuel his war machine and his rightwing agenda. The 20 million fundamentalist voters helped sweep Bush back into office on 02 November, 2005, and maintained a Republican majority in Congress.
In Iraq, the U.S. is cultivating all kinds of religious fundamentalists and fanatics at the expense of progressive and nationalist movements. Nationalism and pan-Arabism is imperialism real enemy, not religious fundamentalism. It is now clear that the U.S. supports and encourages sectarian forces and territorial disintegration, as spelled out in the U.S.-crafted illegitimate constitution; the trap for unending colonial occupation. The truth is that the U.S. and its Western allies are not concern with democracy and the rules of law; they act collectively to enhance and protect their own imperial and Zionist interests with disregard to human rights and democracy.
Contrary to Christian teachings – propagated by U.S. and Western leaders as “shared values” –, U.S. forces and their allies have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi Christians and Muslims. Based on the conservative estimate – 100, 000 Iraqis killed between March 2003 to October 2004 – provided by the peer reviewed British medical journal the Lancet (Lancet, 364: 857), if one includes the atrocity of Fallujah, Ramadi, Qaim, Tel Afar, Hillah, Baghdad and the daily bloodsheds instigated by U.S. forces and their collaborators, the number of Iraqis killed since March 2003 would be in the 200,000 mark or even more. The majority of the victims have been innocent women and children. Who hates who?
In addition, Iraqis basic human rights and freedom are violated on daily basis. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been arrested, imprisoned, abused and tortured without charges. Instead of building Iraq, the U.S. is continuing the destruction of Iraq. Iraq’s vital civilian infrastructure, including: transport and communication systems, the health care services and the education system have all been destroyed. A sovereign nation has been destroyed by premeditated violence. Sadly, the U.S. is fighting wars and committing war crimes against nations, such as Iraq, most Americans knew virtually nothing about.
The American people must know that, the reality on the ground in Iraq is that the U.S. brought death and destruction on massive scales. Each time a village or a town is attacked by U.S. forces, it is completely obliterated together with its civilian population. The people’s only crime was that they are against the occupation of their country. It is a murderous crime that is completely removed from the conscience of Western public by the elites and very complicit mainstream media. The propaganda is that the U.S. fighting a minority of Iraqi opposition to the Occupation is a falsehood. The opposite is true; only a small minority of expatriate criminals and fanatics support the U.S. Occupation. Echoing the majority of Iraqis opposing the Occupation, more than 100 members (more than one-third ) of the same puppet parliament, signed a letter in June 2005, calling for ‘the departure of the occupation’.
Unfortunately, violence and destruction have become and addiction of the U.S. elites and warmongers. On 05 October 2005, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly called on the U.S. government to assassinate Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad. O’Reilly said: “We should take his life if he doesn’t help us out” with the war in Iraq. Since when, a “Super Power” needs help against a defenceless nation, which has been a victim of international terrorism for nearly 15 years? Can you imagine a prominent Syrian TV host publicly advocating the assassination of the President of the United States? Chances are that the U.S. (and its allies) will order “a military action” against Syria on the basis of “inciting and glorifying terrorism”. It seems that the violent destruction of Iraq and the mounting daily bloodshed are not enough to deter the U.S. from committing further crimes. An attack on Syria is a war of aggression against a sovereign country that neither attacked nor threatened to attack the U.S.
As the ruling of the German Federal Administrative Court showed that the attack by the U.S. and its allies against the nation of Iraq was a clear war of aggression – as specified in Article 4, Paragraph 4 of the UN Charter – that violated international law. In addition, The Nuremberg Tribunal clearly stated that; “To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole”. There is prima facia evidence to prosecute those who violated international and U.S. laws, and order the invasion, which led to this mass murder.
President Bush uses religion because it serves his purpose of manipulating the public. If Mr. Bush is familiar with God’s teachings; God said: “thou shall not kill”. God doesn’t advocate premeditated act of aggression and the mass murder of innocent human beings through “Shock and Awe” terrorism. The Iraqi people are defending themselves and their families against international terrorism.
To put an end to the mounting bloodshed in Iraq, President Bush should make the most humane decision and free the Iraqi people from U.S.-imposed oppression. The only path to freedom is the full and immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops and their collaborators from Iraq.
Religion is for weak people that need a crutch just to make there way through life :wink:
U.S. encourages "religious fundamentalism" to counter nationalist & socialist movements
by Ghali Hassan
It has been known for some times that U.S. President George W. Bush allegedly “heard God” telling him to invade Iraq. It is also alleged that Bush said: “I’m driven with a mission from God”. Why God would tell Bush to invade Iraq remains a mystery. Bush invaded Iraq because Bush alleged that Iraq possessed Weapon of Mass Destruction (WMD). There were no WMD in Iraq. The war was an immoral act of aggression.
As it is promoted by Western politicians, propagandists and the mainstream media, the new “War on Terror”, is a war against those Muslims, who “hate our freedom”, and who have a broad strategy to “dominate much of the world”. Although most Muslims believe – as Christians believe that Jesus is the only God – that “Islam is the only path to Heaven”, Muslims are not interested in dominating the world, and most Muslims see this as impossible. On the contrary, most Muslim nations are striving to be free from Western domination and imperialism. The Arabs masses, in particular, want “liberation from foreign occupation and the freedoms of opinion, _expression and movement”, noted the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) report.
A recent report by the Defence Science Board of the Pentagon revealed that; “Muslims do not 'hate our freedom,' but rather, they hate our policies. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favour of Israel against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing even increasing support for what Muslims collectively sees as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, and the Gulf states”. It is these U.S.-sponsored tyrannies and the unfair exploitation of the region’s oil resources – by Western corporations – that contributed to the emergence of political resistance movements against Western domination and imperialism.
The illegal war on Iraq and the ongoing colonial Occupation of the country reinforce the anti-imperialism view of the Muslim peoples. Thus, political Islam is “the work of non-religious political intellectuals” as a response to Western imperialist policies, and has very little to do with ‘Islam versus everything Western’. The labels of ‘Islamists’ and ‘Jihadist’ are convenient as a way to denigrate Islam in Western thoughts and remove any devotion to self-government and national independence.
By contrast, descriptions like nationalist and resistant are avoided by politicians, propagandists and the mass media because they describe people’s aspirations. The current usage of ‘Islamists’, ‘Jihadists’ and ‘insurgents’ – in place of nationalists and resistant – to describe the Iraqi Resistance is straight propaganda designed to dehumanise the Iraqi people and deny them legitimacy to resistance based on a just cause. Furthermore, the misleading description of the Iraqi Resistance as “insurgency”, represents violence and devoid of any noble cause and self-defence. The purpose is to blacken the Iraqi Resistance not only in the eyes of the Iraqi people, but also in the eyes of Western public.
It is important to recognise that the U.S. has encouraged ‘religious fundamentalism’ to counter nationalist and socialist movements. In the 1980s the U.S. and its allies created and financed the so-called ‘al-Qaida’ groups against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Members of al-Qaida, including Osama bin Laden, were called the “freedom fighters”. With the aid of these fundamentalist groups, the U.S. was able to spread it ideology in West Asia. In the U.S., Bush is supported by roughly 50 million right-wing fundamentalist Christians, who fuel his war machine and his rightwing agenda. The 20 million fundamentalist voters helped sweep Bush back into office on 02 November, 2005, and maintained a Republican majority in Congress.
In Iraq, the U.S. is cultivating all kinds of religious fundamentalists and fanatics at the expense of progressive and nationalist movements. Nationalism and pan-Arabism is imperialism real enemy, not religious fundamentalism. It is now clear that the U.S. supports and encourages sectarian forces and territorial disintegration, as spelled out in the U.S.-crafted illegitimate constitution; the trap for unending colonial occupation. The truth is that the U.S. and its Western allies are not concern with democracy and the rules of law; they act collectively to enhance and protect their own imperial and Zionist interests with disregard to human rights and democracy.
Contrary to Christian teachings – propagated by U.S. and Western leaders as “shared values” –, U.S. forces and their allies have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi Christians and Muslims. Based on the conservative estimate – 100, 000 Iraqis killed between March 2003 to October 2004 – provided by the peer reviewed British medical journal the Lancet (Lancet, 364: 857), if one includes the atrocity of Fallujah, Ramadi, Qaim, Tel Afar, Hillah, Baghdad and the daily bloodsheds instigated by U.S. forces and their collaborators, the number of Iraqis killed since March 2003 would be in the 200,000 mark or even more. The majority of the victims have been innocent women and children. Who hates who?
In addition, Iraqis basic human rights and freedom are violated on daily basis. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been arrested, imprisoned, abused and tortured without charges. Instead of building Iraq, the U.S. is continuing the destruction of Iraq. Iraq’s vital civilian infrastructure, including: transport and communication systems, the health care services and the education system have all been destroyed. A sovereign nation has been destroyed by premeditated violence. Sadly, the U.S. is fighting wars and committing war crimes against nations, such as Iraq, most Americans knew virtually nothing about.
The American people must know that, the reality on the ground in Iraq is that the U.S. brought death and destruction on massive scales. Each time a village or a town is attacked by U.S. forces, it is completely obliterated together with its civilian population. The people’s only crime was that they are against the occupation of their country. It is a murderous crime that is completely removed from the conscience of Western public by the elites and very complicit mainstream media. The propaganda is that the U.S. fighting a minority of Iraqi opposition to the Occupation is a falsehood. The opposite is true; only a small minority of expatriate criminals and fanatics support the U.S. Occupation. Echoing the majority of Iraqis opposing the Occupation, more than 100 members (more than one-third ) of the same puppet parliament, signed a letter in June 2005, calling for ‘the departure of the occupation’.
Unfortunately, violence and destruction have become and addiction of the U.S. elites and warmongers. On 05 October 2005, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly called on the U.S. government to assassinate Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad. O’Reilly said: “We should take his life if he doesn’t help us out” with the war in Iraq. Since when, a “Super Power” needs help against a defenceless nation, which has been a victim of international terrorism for nearly 15 years? Can you imagine a prominent Syrian TV host publicly advocating the assassination of the President of the United States? Chances are that the U.S. (and its allies) will order “a military action” against Syria on the basis of “inciting and glorifying terrorism”. It seems that the violent destruction of Iraq and the mounting daily bloodshed are not enough to deter the U.S. from committing further crimes. An attack on Syria is a war of aggression against a sovereign country that neither attacked nor threatened to attack the U.S.
As the ruling of the German Federal Administrative Court showed that the attack by the U.S. and its allies against the nation of Iraq was a clear war of aggression – as specified in Article 4, Paragraph 4 of the UN Charter – that violated international law. In addition, The Nuremberg Tribunal clearly stated that; “To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole”. There is prima facia evidence to prosecute those who violated international and U.S. laws, and order the invasion, which led to this mass murder.
President Bush uses religion because it serves his purpose of manipulating the public. If Mr. Bush is familiar with God’s teachings; God said: “thou shall not kill”. God doesn’t advocate premeditated act of aggression and the mass murder of innocent human beings through “Shock and Awe” terrorism. The Iraqi people are defending themselves and their families against international terrorism.
To put an end to the mounting bloodshed in Iraq, President Bush should make the most humane decision and free the Iraqi people from U.S.-imposed oppression. The only path to freedom is the full and immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops and their collaborators from Iraq.
Religion is for weak people that need a crutch just to make there way through life :wink: