The Canadian Action Party calls the official 9/11 story physically impossible

[westmanguy]

And where are you getting this data and information.

facts can be twisted for the anti-USA agenda, which the 9/11 conspiracy is.

Is this from an official gov. sponsered report on the collapse of the twin towers??

 

[Stretch]

And where are you getting this data and information.

facts can be twisted for the anti-USA agenda, which the 9/11 conspiracy is.

Is this from an official gov. sponsered report on the collapse of the twin towers??

ummm its common knowledge..if one is willing to look outside the square..
official gov site LOL wasnt it an "official gove site" that told us that saddam had wmd and that the good ol' us of g knew exactly where they were??

 

[CDNBear]

kerosine doesnt burn hot enough to melt steel.....
what caused the pool of molten steel that was found?

It doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel, but it burns hot enough to weaken steel...

Structural steel looses 50% of it tensil strength at 650 dgrees F.

A carbon fire bures at 850 degrees F.

The math is simple.

My credentials, if it matters, if you care...

Welder/Fabricator, near twenty years of experience, I have built elevators for one of North Americas largest manufacturers of elevators, I have built load bearing structures, in fact I did it so well I own my own welding fabricating company, I'm Six Nations, I have cousnins that worked on both the building of and clean up of the WTC as well as hundreds of other structures and bridges with Mowhawk High Steel.

Not that, that proves I'm right or wrong, but it does give me a leg up on most CT"s.

btw, I still haven't seen any evidence of this molten pool of metal, except for on CT sites. Do you have a site that isn't a CT site, complete with an analysys and pictures?

 

[Curiosity]

Google is suffocatingly filled with conspiracy garbage.... no wonder people are still lapping it up.... it's every whacko's wetdream.

 

[darkbeaver]

Conspiracy runs the world.

 

[Stretch]

It doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel, but it burns hot enough to weaken steel...

Structural steel looses 50% of it tensil strength at 650 dgrees F.

A carbon fire bures at 850 degrees F.

The math is simple.

My credentials, if it matters, if you care...

Welder/Fabricator, near twenty years of experience, I have built elevators for one of North Americas largest manufacturers of elevators, I have built load bearing structures, in fact I did it so well I own my own welding fabricating company, I'm Six Nations, I have cousnins that worked on both the building of and clean up of the WTC as well as hundreds of other structures and bridges with Mowhawk High Steel.

Not that, that proves I'm right or wrong, but it does give me a leg up on most CT"s.

btw, I still haven't seen any evidence of this molten pool of metal, except for on CT sites. Do you have a site that isn't a CT site, complete with an analysys and pictures?

any site I put up is a CT to some....
you name wouldnt be Dave S would it?

 

[mapleleafgirl]

The justification for Canada's draconian anti terrorism laws is the official story of 9-11 - that the US was attacked by Islamic terrorists led by Osama Bin Laden. The problem with this justification is that the official story of what happened on 9-11 is physically impossible as a highly qualified team of Canadian, American and international scientists, engineers and investigators demonstrate at their website physics911.

why? why cant anything just be as it is? why are there some people always looking for secret government conspiracies? kennedy didnt just get shot by a psycho, the cia or the mafia did it. marilyn monroe was killed by kennedy, etc.etc.etc....the truth is probably far simpler.

 

[Stretch]

Molten Metal

Workers Reported Molten Metal in Ground Zero Rubble

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html



Seismic Evidence Points to Underground
Explosions Causing WTC Collapse
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm


http://www.911eyewitness.com/truth/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=89


http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/s...-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/417/top/-/-/-/1

 

[CDNBear]

any site I put up is a CT to some....
you name wouldnt be Dave S would it?

Nope, Ohkwai.

Molten Metal

Workers Reported Molten Metal in Ground Zero Rubble

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html



Seismic Evidence Points to Underground
Explosions Causing WTC Collapse
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm


http://www.911eyewitness.com/truth/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=89


http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/s...-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/417/top/-/-/-/1

Thanx I bookmarked them and I'll get back to you when I've had time to sift through it.

 

[talloola]

I like all the "so called" scientists completely investigating the possibility of the 911 tragedy being
a conspiracy by the u.s. government, it, again shows how free everyone in our countries are, to
take second and third looks into "any and every" ugly incident that happens.
In the meantime all of us who don't live in a "warped" trend of thought 24-7, can get on with it.
We all have a "real" life to live. There is lots of mending to be done by the west, as the reaction
to the 911 tragedy was the "ugly" event we all should be in a rage about. Now the west has to figure
out how to begin fixing all the mistakes that were made, and try to regain some respect around the
world.

TO THE U.S. CITIZEN, THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU VOTE IN 2008

 

[Zzarchov]

Outa left field:

Lets say you find definitive proof that the WTC was brought down by government. Then what? They had the power to pull this off and convince everybody to go along with it. If thats the case, you are already living in a police state, alls you can do is move to another country and try to avoid thinking about it.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

...follow the usual laws of stagnation, lack of imagination, criticle thinking, and display the usual qualitys of the insecure individuals, fear of ridicule and exclusion from the herd. The group mentality of the adherants to the official story does not allow deviation from the declared position.

You could say exactly the same thing about the conspiracy theorists, with just as much truth.

Here's the *real* conspiracy: the official story is correct, the conspiracy theories about it were started by the administration to engender fear of it in the general population and convince them that it's actually competent enough to pull off something like that, while distracting them from what it's really doing.

 

[Stretch]

9-11 Research: Tower Blueprints
The detailed architectural drawings make clear what official reports have apparently attempted to hide: that the Twin Towers had massive core columns, and those columns ran most of the height of each Tower before transitioning to columns with smaller cross-sections.
Based on construction photographs exhibited in the Skyscraper Museum and illustrations from the Engineering News Record , 9-11 Research had established by mid-2005 that, low in the Towers, the sixteen core columns that bounded the long faces of the buildings' cores had dimensions of 54 by 22 inches. The detailed drawings show that these columns maintained these dimensions through about the 66th floor.
Both of the government-sponsored engineering studies of the Twin Towers' "collapses" -- FEMA's and NIST's -- are highly misleading about the core structures. Neither Report discloses dimensions for core columns -- dimensions that are clearly evident in the architectural drawings. Both Reports use a variety of techniques seemingly designed to minimize the strength of the cores or to conceal their structural role entirely. So effective was FEMA at concealing the nature of the cores that the 9/11 Commission Report , citing the FEMA Report, denied the very existence of the core columns.

Posted Mar 27, 2007 09:57 PM PST
Category: 911
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/blueprints.html

 

[darkbeaver]

You could say exactly the same thing about the conspiracy theorists, with just as much truth.

Here's the *real* conspiracy: the official story is correct, the conspiracy theories about it were started by the administration to engender fear of it in the general population and convince them that it's actually competent enough to pull off something like that, while distracting them from what it's really doing.

That theroy does not get past the physical realitys of the destruction of the buildings. They have not competently pulled off the job, otherwise there would not be the huge doubt about the attacks.
Your first statement I believe is incorrect. The authority of officialdom is being questioned by those who recognize the conspiracy those who believe the Government have suspended all doubt, and that's called faith.

 

[folcar]

I think some of the most damning stuff in the Case against the official theory is the magic passport of one of the hijackers that survived the plane crash, raging fire, 3 tower collapse and ended up conveniently on the street to be picked up by clean up crews. And the fact that it is claimed that some of the men claimed to be involved in the hijackings are allegedly still alive, never having been involved in anything of the sort in the first place. Not to mention WTC Building #7 was never hit by a plane! only experienced minor fires! And yet collapsed all the same? And it is remarkable that all 3 fell just like a controlled demolition, imploding in a straight line to the ground, including building 7 which collapsed for no good reason having sustained no where near the damage of the towers. This sort of thing would never happen in the states would it? Just ask JFK and the magic bullet that had a built in remote control!!!!!

 

[hermanntrude]

I'm strongly starting to suspect the conspiracy theorists are using this whole situation to bolster their egos. they always say things like "it''s very easy really if you'll only think outside the box" and "obviously you can only understand this if you arent a capitalist sheep". they even invented the term sheeple, or at least made it popular.

I've said something like this before:

It's a sad example of the state of the world that rather than see the tragedy and learn from it, people would rather bolster their own egos and use it as a political tool to posture and build websites about

 

[Dexter Sinister]

... WTC Building #7 was never hit by a plane! only experienced minor fires! And yet collapsed all the same? And it is remarkable that all 3 fell just like a controlled demolition...

Building 7 was hit by debris from the other towers. You've been looking a pictures of the wrong side of it. There was a hole about 20 stories high in the south side and major fires were visible. Videos of its collapse show that side collapsing first and pulling down the rest of it. That's not what a controlled demolition would do. Nor is it true that Buildings 1 and 2 fell as if in a controlled demolition. Video footage clearly shows the floors above the planes' points of impact collapsing first while all lower floors were stationary. In a controlled demolition all floors would begin to move simultaneously. Neither did they all collapse straight down into their own footprints. Video footage of Building 2's collapse clearly shows the part of the tower above the impact point first tilting toward the side where the aircraft entered, then falling at an angle the rest of the way.

 

[darkbeaver]

Faith moves in mysterious ways. The faith shown in the official story points to the investment we all have in authority, that mistaken or misplaced faith is very dangerous. In the past it has led to events such as the Gulf of Tonkin attack which never occured but led to the Vietnam war which was initiated
by the rich and powerful exclusively to market weapons in a designed conflict zone.The entire Cold War was a fabrication designed for exactly the same reasons, the maintenance of the Military Industrial Complex.Todays conflict in the ME is of a different character, having stalled alternative energy developement for over forty years that same Military Industrial Complex now faces self extermination through it,s own policys of neglect and greed. It must secure those hydro-carbon resources or cease to exist. The Pentagone is the fourth largest consumer of hydro-carbons on the planet.

 

[darkbeaver]

Building 7 was hit by debris from the other towers. You've been looking a pictures of the wrong side of it. There was a hole about 20 stories high in the south side and major fires were visible. Videos of its collapse show that side collapsing first and pulling down the rest of it. That's not what a controlled demolition would do. Nor is it true that Buildings 1 and 2 fell as if in a controlled demolition. Video footage clearly shows the floors above the planes' points of impact collapsing first while all lower floors were stationary. In a controlled demolition all floors would begin to move simultaneously. Neither did they all collapse straight down into their own footprints. Video footage of Building 2's collapse clearly shows the part of the tower above the impact point first tilting toward the side where the aircraft entered, then falling at an angle the rest of the way.

Please provide a link to the photographic evidence of the 20 story hole in building #7.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Read this. All of it. And look at the pictures and videos.