Tesla's electric cars aren't as green as you might think

[spilledthebeer]

Wow, a correction from an idiot over a typo. And everyone is still waiting for you to post something that is on topic.

Hey Bar Silly- has nobody ever told you that your brain will feel better if you stop bashing it on concrete posts?




Here is another article illustrating the twisted values of the NDP and its new leader-who is worse than the old one! With some comments of my own in brackets):


Jagmeet Singh, the accidental feminist

From Postmedia News. Published: February 4, 2018. Updated: February 4, 2018 4:22 PM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Editorials

Someone has to tell the NDP’s Jagmeet Singh that he looked more like a grandstander than a leader when he bounced one of his MPs out of his party’s collective last week for some unknown transgression.

It appeared he wanted to put himself into the #MeToo movement, even as he admitted there were no sexual impropriety allegations being levelled against Regina MP Erin Weir who, hours later, still didn’t know what he was being accused of doing.

Was Singh simply missing the limelight?

Was he jealous of the prime minister being out there pitching the line that he is the best of feminists, while he has to seek out cameras?

(Poor Singh- he is an also ran in the political race- a minor player capable of upsetting LIE-berals but not of defeating them! Singh and Our idiot Boy Justin share a lot of values- including an apparent fondness for Sikh nationalists and accused terrorists! NDP voter support base is being eroded relentlessly- the union support they counted on evaporated after the Bob Rae debacle- with most unionists now supporting LIE-berals! And poor Jagmeet has even less credibility in the business world than former leader Turkey Tom Mulcaire! Tom actually ran an almost sensible campaign- by NDP standards- in 2015- and got run over by the rich gravy train of our idiot Boy!)

It was bad enough — appallingly so — when Singh invited the media to witness his recent bended-knee proposal to his fiancé, usually a private moment between two people in love, not a command performance for the cameras.

He’s lucky, in fact, that she said “yes.” That said, he did receive deservedly bad reviews.

This latest kerfuffle came to a head last week when Weir emailed his fellow NDP colleagues to tell them he was considering putting his name forward for caucus chair.

That had NDP MP Christine Moore hitting the “reply all” button on her gizmo, and basically telling everyone that Weir was the last person in the world she would like to see as leader of their caucus.

“There are too many women (mostly employee) complaint to me that you were harassing to them and, as a woman, I would not feel comfortable to meet with you alone,” wrote the Quebec MP.

“Given what’s going on right now in the political world, I think you should not run to avoid us any trouble.”

Specifics? There are none. But, with Moore’s reply memo now out, you now know what Singh knew when he cut Weir loose.

And that’s zilch.

But, when you have nothing, and you are in dire need to be part of the #MeToo movement, then why not call a press conference and use all your non-information in order to publicly launch a special inquiry into the unspecified behaviour of one of your male MPs?

Self-serving? You bet.

And a disgraceful display of grandstanding.

(This is the sort of thing that happens when politicians have nothing useful to do! Singh is already in trouble for his refusal to condemn Air India bombers. His environmental stance is offensive to the civil service union Hogs who want govt- any govt to keep feeding them gravy so they can maintain or even expand their already major carbon foot print. NDP tax the rich policy will not fly with unions any more as the only “rich” people available these days are Sunshine List Hogs- and they are demanding more gravy and more carbon - NOT LESS! NDP tax policy on business is viewed with deep suspicion by small biz owners across the country- with big biz somewhat less worried as they assume they can cut back room deals.)

(Any serious observer of the federal scene knows that there are massive bills and hard choices coming thanks to our “crazy cat lady” Justin who is busy collecting illegals the way your dotty old neighbour collects stray cats- and with the same sort of “infuriate the neighbours” kind of pressure coming down the pipe!)

(The first stage is that 30 percent increase in homeless shelter use- with LIE-berals refusing to admit how much illegals are stretching the system!)

(The next stage will be the welfare and other social costs that are being downloaded to the cities- they will be increasing property taxes to pay the new costs- and infuriating voters as well! Then there will be school costs for the kids- with attendant special education needs for kids who do not speak English and somehow need to catch up. And there will be further costs for health care as spiteful LIE-berals have just announced they will be dropping restrictions on immigrant families with seriously ill dependents- LIE-berals are apparently so angry with their current status in the pools that they have apparently chosen to spitefully burden us with all manner of immigrants in need of medical care- and so what if LIE-berals are unable to provide genuine Cdn citizens with timely medical care!)

(Then the future costs- in long term as Ontari-owe LIE-berals are already talking about doing away with standardized testing in our school system with two goals in mind- first to reduce costs as they need that money for Hog gravy and second to HIDE how poorly a lot of ethnic kids are doing! This end the testing policy will backfire big time! Firstly- the standardized testing was brought in to the delight of a lot of parents who were MIGHTY disturbed at how poorly their kids were doing in school- and those parents have NOT gone away- LIE-berals can expect a hit from angry parents demanding to know why Johnny cannot read! Secondly it will NOT help Ontari-owe public or LIE-berals to produce a generation of semi literate STONERS! Global competition for jobs is growing fiercer than ever and LIE-berals think that slacking off on education standards will benefit us? Are LIE-berals being PAID by Red China to make sure our kids grow up stupid?)

(And parents are well aware of how teachers are the favoured pals of LIE-berals! Secondly- an end to standardized testing will inflame ethnic voters who do not yet understand how poorly their kids are really educated! This lack of honest education will prompt employers to view Cdn kids the same way their Yankee counterparts do- with extreme suspicion! In one Yankee inner city- with several thousand black kids graduating- ONLY NINE of those thousands could actually get a passing grade on the Yankee standardized testing! Those ignorant kids will go out into the world and simply assume it is bigotry that prevents them getting jobs- rather than their IGNORANCE and poor math and spelling skills! LIE-berals are setting up Ontari-owe for the same racial rage and frustration- and its totally un-necessary! Unless you are a LIE-beral seeking to BUY votes and cling to power at ANY PRICE! With Jagmeet Singh and his moronic NDP minions running along behind calling: “me too! I can do that just like them”!)

 

[DaSleeper]

That's a lot of typing for posts that nobody reads
But go ahead.....waste your time!

 

[petros]

I read most of them. I'd prefer the article were C&Ped and his/her comments followed.

 

[Gilgamesh]

We have all heard this anti-electric car propaganda before. It doesn't hold up when you compare it to the environmental damage caused by the oil industry; particular the extraction of oil from the tar sands and shale oil. Fortunately, it doesn't seem to matter as electric vehicles continue to gain traction. The internal combustion engine is in the last few decades of its life - get used to it.

Only a charlatan or a fool would think electric cars are pollution free.

First the batteries produce a lot of pollution in their mfg. then the infrastructure for MASS charging is not available and likely wont be due to cost.

And of course the a$$hole greeny morons want to close our CANDU HW reactors, the safest and most cost effective on this planet.

With its simplicity low part count & ideal torque characteristics, electric motots are ideal but we need different batteries and billions spent on infrastructure.

Right now they are already fine - for city driving ONLY.

 

[Twin_Moose]

I had already pasted this in the pipeline thread it deserves to be here too.

 

[Hoid]

I had already pasted this in the pipeline thread it deserves to be here too.

You must think this is extra clever.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Saskatchewan proud:canada:

 

[petros]

Saskatchewan proud:canada:

Hoid is spitting distance from Darlington nuclear.

Let's buy him a bus ticket, a shovel and milk him if his blood for suffering FBs.

He has a lot of environmental remediation on his shoulders as well as destroying the lives of First Nations who are or were suffering from elevated leukemia and other cancer in northern SK.

Eldorado Nuclear was a Crown Corporation supplying ON Candus for decades.

There are some nasty scars on the boreal and it didn't benefit western provinces.

Own it.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Only a charlatan or a fool would think electric cars are pollution free.

First the batteries produce a lot of pollution in their mfg. then the infrastructure for MASS charging is not available and likely wont be due to cost.

And of course the a$$hole greeny morons want to close our CANDU HW reactors, the safest and most cost effective on this planet.

With its simplicity low part count & ideal torque characteristics, electric motots are ideal but we need different batteries and billions spent on infrastructure.

Right now they are already fine - for city driving ONLY.

Research the topic before you reply. I always do.



The ‘electric cars aren’t green’ myth debunked




http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/electric-cars-green

And of course the a$$hole greeny morons want to close our CANDU HW reactors, the safest and most cost effective on this planet.

Perhaps you should tell that to the residents of Chernobyl and Fukushima, provided you can find any.

 

[petros]

Perhaps you should tell that to the residents of Chernobyl and Fukushima, provided you can find any.

Tell it suffering Saskatchewan and Alberta First Nations about how awesome and green Canadian Candus are.

Former Saskatchewan uranium mill cleaned up 50 years later

More than 50 years after a Saskatchewan uranium mill that is a key part of Canada’s nuclear history closed, heavy machinery is once again rumbling across the remote northern corner of the province.

But this time workers at the former Lorado mill are cleaning up a massive pile of radioactive, acidic tailings that has poisoned a lake and threatened the health of wildlife and hunters for decades.

“I think we’re a lot more environmentally aware than we were 40 or 50 years ago,” said Ian Wilson with the Saskatchewan Research Council, which is the Crown-owned company that’s carrying out the cleanup.

The Lorado mill is near Uranium City, less than 50 kilometres from the Northwest Territories boundary. It’s where uranium mining once supported a community of up to 5,000 people.

The Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission says the town was one of several in Canada to rise following the Second World War and during a boom in uranium demand that was driven by military needs.

Lorado only operated from 1957 to 1961, but during that time it produced about 227,000 cubic metres of tailings that were dumped beside Nero Lake. The tailings are acidic, according to the environmental impact statement for the cleanup project, and water has run from them into the lake and killed just about everything in it.

Windblown dust from the top of the tailings, the assessment says, also presents “a gamma radiation and radon concern.”

Wilson’s job is to lead a two-year project in which workers will cover the tailings with a layer of specially engineered sand to prevent water from running over them and into the lake. As well, a lime mixture is to be added to the lake to counteract the acidity.
It’s a difficult place to carry out such work.

In 1982, when the last of the mines near Uranium City closed, most people loaded up moving trucks and headed out on an ice road across Lake Athabasca. They left homes, apartments and a new high school empty.

The final mine, the Beaverlodge operation, was quickly decommissioned. But the tailings from the Lorado site and the much larger Gunnar mine were left untouched.

Rae McLeod, who worked a stint in Uranium City as a bank employee in the late 1970s, recalls riding dirt bikes on the Lorado tailings.

“When you’re in your early 20s you don’t quite have the same sense of mortality and consequences,” he said. “We were young and foolish.”

Uranium City has about 100 residents now. Some equipment is available from local contractors, but everything else has to come in via plane, barge or the ice road, which is open for only a short period each winter.

“If you’re missing a piece of equipment, you can’t go to your Home Hardware,” Wilson said. “You have to have redundancies and plan ahead.”

The project is controversial.

The Prince Albert Grand Council, which represents a dozen First Nations in central and northern Saskatchewan, said in a written submission for the Lorado and Gunnar projects that many residents favour removal of the tailings rather than covering them up.

The Saskatchewan Environmental Society says more investigation should have been done on the feasibility removing the tailings. It questions how the covering will stand up as climate change delivers more severe weather, and whether government will continue to monitor the sites.

“We always get anxious about safety programs that require monitoring and maintenance over an indefinite period of time,” the society wrote in its response to the environmental assessment.

Wilson suggested moving the tailings away from Lorado wouldn’t be easy. For starters, he said, a safe place would have to be found to put them.

Plus, Nero Lake is mostly contained, and while its radiation is high, it’s in an area where the background level is also high, he said.

“This lake is always going to be managed. In Saskatchewan, it’s called an institutional control program, where they’re monitored and controlled by the province.”

Work also includes sealing off and cleaning up 35 mine exploration sites.

Afterwards, the Saskatchewan Research Council is to begin the Gunnar cleanup. That project is in the environmental assessment stage. Wilson hopes work can begin in 2016.

It will probably take five years to complete, Wilson said, and the province says it has so far spent $55 million at the site.

Four million tonnes of tailings were produced at Gunnar during its operation from 1955 to 1963.

Canada officially stopped exporting uranium for weapon production in 1965.

“Back then, the environmental awareness was not what it is now,” Wilson said.

“We have different mindsets.”

© 2014 The Canadian Press

 

[Gilgamesh]

Tell it suffering Saskatchewan and Alberta First Nations about how awesome and green Canadian Candus are.

Former Saskatchewan uranium mill cleaned up 50 years later

More than 50 years after a Saskatchewan uranium mill that is a key part of Canada’s nuclear history closed, heavy machinery is once again rumbling across the remote northern corner of the province.

But this time workers at the former Lorado mill are cleaning up a massive pile of radioactive, acidic tailings that has poisoned a lake and threatened the health of wildlife and hunters for decades.

“I think we’re a lot more environmentally aware than we were 40 or 50 years ago,” said Ian Wilson with the Saskatchewan Research Council, which is the Crown-owned company that’s carrying out the cleanup.

The Lorado mill is near Uranium City, less than 50 kilometres from the Northwest Territories boundary. It’s where uranium mining once supported a community of up to 5,000 people.

The Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission says the town was one of several in Canada to rise following the Second World War and during a boom in uranium demand that was driven by military needs.

Lorado only operated from 1957 to 1961, but during that time it produced about 227,000 cubic metres of tailings that were dumped beside Nero Lake. The tailings are acidic, according to the environmental impact statement for the cleanup project, and water has run from them into the lake and killed just about everything in it.

Windblown dust from the top of the tailings, the assessment says, also presents “a gamma radiation and radon concern.”

Wilson’s job is to lead a two-year project in which workers will cover the tailings with a layer of specially engineered sand to prevent water from running over them and into the lake. As well, a lime mixture is to be added to the lake to counteract the acidity.
It’s a difficult place to carry out such work.

In 1982, when the last of the mines near Uranium City closed, most people loaded up moving trucks and headed out on an ice road across Lake Athabasca. They left homes, apartments and a new high school empty.

The final mine, the Beaverlodge operation, was quickly decommissioned. But the tailings from the Lorado site and the much larger Gunnar mine were left untouched.

Rae McLeod, who worked a stint in Uranium City as a bank employee in the late 1970s, recalls riding dirt bikes on the Lorado tailings.

“When you’re in your early 20s you don’t quite have the same sense of mortality and consequences,” he said. “We were young and foolish.”

Uranium City has about 100 residents now. Some equipment is available from local contractors, but everything else has to come in via plane, barge or the ice road, which is open for only a short period each winter.

“If you’re missing a piece of equipment, you can’t go to your Home Hardware,” Wilson said. “You have to have redundancies and plan ahead.”

The project is controversial.

The Prince Albert Grand Council, which represents a dozen First Nations in central and northern Saskatchewan, said in a written submission for the Lorado and Gunnar projects that many residents favour removal of the tailings rather than covering them up.

The Saskatchewan Environmental Society says more investigation should have been done on the feasibility removing the tailings. It questions how the covering will stand up as climate change delivers more severe weather, and whether government will continue to monitor the sites.

“We always get anxious about safety programs that require monitoring and maintenance over an indefinite period of time,” the society wrote in its response to the environmental assessment.

Wilson suggested moving the tailings away from Lorado wouldn’t be easy. For starters, he said, a safe place would have to be found to put them.

Plus, Nero Lake is mostly contained, and while its radiation is high, it’s in an area where the background level is also high, he said.

“This lake is always going to be managed. In Saskatchewan, it’s called an institutional control program, where they’re monitored and controlled by the province.”

Work also includes sealing off and cleaning up 35 mine exploration sites.

Afterwards, the Saskatchewan Research Council is to begin the Gunnar cleanup. That project is in the environmental assessment stage. Wilson hopes work can begin in 2016.

It will probably take five years to complete, Wilson said, and the province says it has so far spent $55 million at the site.

Four million tonnes of tailings were produced at Gunnar during its operation from 1955 to 1963.

Canada officially stopped exporting uranium for weapon production in 1965.

“Back then, the environmental awareness was not what it is now,” Wilson said.

“We have different mindsets.”

© 2014 The Canadian Press

Nuclear waste is a political problem, not a technical problem.

The original ore from nature is naturally slightly radioactive.

The waste will sink to that same level in a century.

The massive SS steel containers used when the waste has 'cooled' down & is transferred from the spent fuel has been tested by being dropped from 25,000 ft onto rock, + mounted on a special railway engine & rammed into a knife edged bridge abutment.

No leakage.

BTW CANDU waste contains so little plute thst extracting it for weapons would be impractical.

Someone please come up with something original.

yours sincerely, Gil Gamesh.

 

[spilledthebeer]

I had already pasted this in the pipeline thread it deserves to be here too.

A truly fabulous comparison!!!!!!!!!!!!! One that ought to shut up the LIE-berals and their idiot NDPer cousins but will not because the dream of creating an electric Toy vehicle industry that LIE-berals can totally control and milk for endless gravy is far to strong for them to resist!

 

[petros]

Nuclear waste is a political problem, not a technical problem.

The original ore from nature is naturally slightly radioactive.

The waste will sink to that same level in a century.

The massive SS steel containers used when the waste has 'cooled' down & is transferred from the spent fuel has been tested by being dropped from 25,000 ft onto rock, + mounted on a special railway engine & rammed into a knife edged bridge abutment.

No leakage.

BTW CANDU waste contains so little plute thst extracting it for weapons would be impractical.

Someone please come up with something original.

yours sincerely, Gil Gamesh.

Is English your second language or you are simply lacking comprehensive and cognitive thought skills?

Where did you get waste from? The article was entirely about production and it's environmental impact.

 

[spilledthebeer]

Is English your second language or you are simply lacking comprehensive and cognitive thought skills?

Where did you get waste from? The article was entirely about production and it's environmental impact.

There are also some little details MISDING from this talk on nuclear waste!


Such as- the Candu reactors CAN BE MODIFIED to produce weapons grade material as nuclear armed India PROVED!


In addition it seems that some people are a little clueless about just how long it takes for contaminated radioactive material to become inert! If getting rid of radioactive material were little more than putting out dirty diapers there would not be a need for those massive concrete/lead/steel vaults that OPG routinely buries stuff in- and expects to leave there for many centuries!



And if Candu reactors are such wonderful things then why do Ontari-owe reactors have that license to emit THREE HUNDRED PERCENT MORE TRITIUM THAN IS PERMITTED IN EUROPE?

 

[Bar Sinister]

No - this is an oil sands site.

 

[Twin_Moose]

No - this is an oil sands site.

Yeas an actively mined site, but what will it look like once it is reclaimed? See above in the comparison I posted for you

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Yeas an actively mined site, but what will it look like once it is reclaimed? See above in the comparison I posted for you

So. . . you're presenting a reclaimed oil sands site and a not-yet-reclaimed lithium mining site, and then whining about someone else presenting a not-yet-reclaimed oil sands site?

Yeah, that's a level of intellectual honesty worthy of Donald Trump.

 

[Hoid]

it takes a bold intellect to argue for the environmental benefits of oil sands.

 

[Hoof Hearted]

Blame Ambien, Hoid! It's your only hope to explain all of the nonsense you've posted over the past year or so.

 

[Twin_Moose]

So. . . you're presenting a reclaimed oil sands site and a not-yet-reclaimed lithium mining site, and then whining about someone else presenting a not-yet-reclaimed oil sands site?

Yeah, that's a level of intellectual honesty worthy of Donald Trump.

Fair enough not to many examples of deep mine reclamation that I can find compared to reclaimed Oil sand sites but here is a couple

And I can't find any Lithium mines reclaimed