Rwandan Genocide was committed by Christians??

[ottawabill]

since you asked for one:

"The Yelwa massacre took place on May 2, 2004, in Yelwa, Nigeria. According to Red Cross reports more than 630 nomad Muslims were killed by Christians."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelwa_massacre

They are no more Christian than Osama is Muslim..twisted people.. twisting verses for their own twisted world

 

[the caracal kid]

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/mayweb-only/5-3-32.0.html

Unfortunately Christians kill as well...

But Sassy you are so right. atleast in the western world we are so beyond all of this. Sometimes as in 9/11 these 3rd world women hating cave dwellers come over here to continue the great fight. What they cannot see is that we don't life that was, we don't daily clash with other groups, and spend all our waking hours thinking about it...

To bring up what Europeans in 1235 did and somehow relate that with what a muslim group did last week is just plian stupid!!! Maybe the Brit's should rise up against the Swedes since they invaded their country in 1050 (ish)

again I say people commit these war crimes then use God to justify their actions...It is not the norm but rather God is being used as a tool to further their own agenda, be it Rwanda, Taliban, the Crusades or a way to get more money for an evangelists ministry. Then us people who have a relationship with God have to pay...

interestingly enough, if you adjust for the age differences of the two religions (compare Islam now to Christianity 600 years ago), Islam is developing quite well (as far as the stages we have seen christianity go through).

 

[DurkaDurka]

interestingly enough, if you adjust for the age differences of the two religions (compare Islam now to Christianity 600 years ago), Islam is developing quite well (as far as the stages we have seen christianity go through).

"Developing quite well" ?? That's funny. More like a downward spiral.

 

[ottawabill]

turn it over we're done!!!

I guess development is coloured Burka's
and dozens of Virgins

 

[the caracal kid]

"Developing quite well" ?? That's funny. More like a downward spiral.

Do the comparison yourself between Christianity at 1400 years old and Islam at 1400 years old.

(a downward spiral is an interesting term. It will eventually spiral down, just as christianity has been. Some day the world will be past the abrahamics. Some day.)

 

[ottawabill]

Do the comparison yourself between Christianity at 1400 years old and Islam at 1400 years old.

(a downward spiral is an interesting term. It will eventually spiral down, just as christianity has been. Some day the world will be past the abrahamics. Some day.)

the comparison has nothing to do with each religion,,,it is where each group of people were at at what time. Some cultures we very civilized with the dumbest idea of religon, some cultures very low to the earth with amazing thoughts of higher beings...

 

[the caracal kid]

religion and culture are deeply intertwined.

the comparison is valid because the closeness of the religions parallels the similarities in the cultures (for the respective times).

In other words, give Islam 600 years and it very well could produce cultures similar to the christo/secular ones of today.

 

[gopher]

Give me ONE example of Christians killing Muslims on mass, you can't because it isn't happening.


Evidently, someone has conveniently missed my earlier posts on the subject.

 

[EastSideScotian]

Oh no, not Christians with their love thy neighbor and all that sweet jazz and stuff. Well I am sorry Christian lovers, but the majority of Rwanda is Christian so even though it was mostly done on an ethnic level which basically was based on one group of people being liked by the Belgian (buggers) over another, and even more important aspects;

Christian teaching didn't really help them:

This is Rwanda Stats
and no they have not changed that much in 12 years, in the religion category I mean.

Population: 8,648,248
note: estimates for this country explicitly take into account the effects of excess mortality due to AIDS; this can result in lower life expectancy, higher infant mortality and death rates, lower population and growth rates, and changes in the distribution of population by age and sex than would otherwise be expected (July 2006 est.)
Age structure:
0-14 years: 41.9% (male 1,558,730; female 1,548,175)
15-64 years: 55.6% (male 1,943,268; female 1,971,542)
65 years and over: 2.5% (male 83,699; female 123,715) (2006 est.)
Population growth rate: 2.43% (2006 est.)
Birth rate: 40.37 births/1,000 population (2006 est.)
Death rate: 16.09 deaths/1,000 population (2006 est.)
Net migration rate: 0 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2006 est.)
Sex ratio:
at birth: 1.03 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.01 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 0.99 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.67 male(s)/female
total population: 0.99 male(s)/female (2006 est.)
Infant mortality rate: 89.61 deaths/1,000 live births (2006 est.)
male: 94.71 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 84.34 deaths/1,000 live births (2006 est.)
Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 47.3 years
male: 46.26 years
female: 48.38 years (2006 est.)
Total fertility rate: 5.43 children born/woman (2006 est.)
Nationality:
noun: Rwandan(s)
adjective: Rwandan
Ethnic groups: Hutu 84%, Tutsi 15%, Twa (Pygmoid) 1%, 16,000 South Asians (mostly Indians) Arabs 9,300, French 2,500, British 300, Belgian 100
Religions: Roman Catholic 56.5%, Protestant 26%, Adventist 11.1%, Muslim 4.6%, indigenous beliefs 0.1%, none 1.7% (2001)
Languages: Kinyarwanda (official) universal Bantu vernacular, French (official), English (official), Kiswahili (Swahili) used in commercial centers
Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 70.4%
male: 76.3%
female: 64.7% (2003 est.)

Well guess wha My little Resercher friend...

You should do some more Research.......Rwanda is one of my Favorite subjects. This was no war on Religion, You are way off. This was a Genocide.

Two groups of people Hutus, and Tutsi. The Hutu governement ran by hardline Hutu Power poloticians and generals, did the killing, none of which used religion as the reason. Guess what....Both Hutus and Tutsi are Christain.......and just because they claim Christainity doesnt mean they follow it ethier. Be fore you throw a religion into something make sure you know what your talking about.

There are a few good documentrys on Rawnada you should read/whatch and also Read Shake Hands with the Devil, a book of the first hand account of the Canadian General in charge of the UN mission.

But you are way off on this one...this was no religious war, it was racisim and radicalism.

 

[EastSideScotian]

Give me ONE example of Christians killing Muslims on mass, you can't because it isn't happening.


Evidently, someone has conveniently missed my earlier posts on the subject.

Ever hear of something called the Crusades?

Christains did kill Muslims in large numbers. We once killed off the magority of Muslims in Jurusalim at one point. The reason why Iam not sure but their were some Crusaders that didnt see the Muslims as friends and wanted to kill them. Like wise for muslims.

 

[CDNBear]

Christians were againstt he genocide in Rwanda. Period. The genocide was caused by European influence, seperating africans into two sub categories. Hamites or Tutsi and the Hutu or Bantu. The Europeans deemed the Tutsi superior to the Hutu. And the Tutsi were cruel to the Hutu, to say the least.

When Rwanda gained independence, the majority took control of the country, that would be the Hutu, by shear numbers they were able to do so easily.

The Hutu, refused to recognise the Tutsi as Rwandans.

Then there was the killing. There was no sign of god there. Be sure of that.

 

[EastSideScotian]

Christians were againstt he genocide in Rwanda. Period. The genocide was caused by European influence, seperating africans into two sub categories. Hamites or Tutsi and the Hutu or Bantu. The Europeans deemed the Tutsi superior to the Hutu. And the Tutsi were cruel to the Hutu, to say the least.

When Rwanda gained independence, the majority took control of the country, that would be the Hutu, by shear numbers they were able to do so easily.

The Hutu, refused to recognise the Tutsi as Rwandans.

Then there was the killing. There was no sign of god there. Be sure of that.

Yes, The Tutsi also had an Army which was invadeing Rawanda from the refugee camps....from the first time the Hutu chased the Tutsi out.

 

[CDNBear]

Yes, The Tutsi also had an Army which was invadeing Rawanda from the refugee camps....from the first time the Hutu chased the Tutsi out.

Yep and God and crosses were nowhere to be seen.

BTW, LG Dallaire, is a great man, he saw it coming. But the typical ROE BS and silly thoughts in the suites, just couldn't get on board.

 

[EastSideScotian]

Yep and God and crosses were nowhere to be seen.

BTW, LG Dallaire, is a great man, he saw it coming. But the typical ROE BS and silly thoughts in the suites, just couldn't get on board.

It had an awful outcome...Its sad how the UN wouldnt even listen or take for value the urgent Situation Dallaire had told them was coming, and the fact that they wouldnt not impower him to stop it or back him up with the equipment to do so.

 

[CDNBear]

It had an awful outcome...Its sad how the UN wouldnt even listen or take for value the urgent Situation Dallaire had told them was coming, and the fact that they wouldnt not impower him to stop it or back him up with the equipment to do so.

I've seen the suits leave good men out standing in the wind, because they lack the courage to, or the back bone to, take a stand or do what is right. I've also seen them die because of it. It all comes down to public opinion and winning votes.

So I take it you are agreeing with me? I don't get alot of that here,lol.

 

[EastSideScotian]

I agree with you. I agree with most self aware and Internationaly aware people who know the facts.

 

[Researcher87]

The bible versus the Koran is a mute argument, 200-2000 years ago Christians were invaders of other Nations today we are a civilised society that respects all religions including Islam, hindu, wicca, the church of the rising sun. It doens't matter in the West we are all free to practice any religion. Islam is a backward Religion in most countries it dehumanizes women and children. For those defenders of extreme Islam ask yourself this: Why are Muslims killing so many Muslims? Irag, brother against brother. Afghanistan Muslim against Muslim, the Sudan Muslim killing Muslims and christians when they take a break from killing fellow Muslims. Give me ONE example of Christians killing Muslims on mass, you can't because it isn't happening. Nice try trying to deflect this issue as being a Christian versus Islam issue but the fact is world wide Extreme Islam is raging a holy war against it's own followers. It is the Christians that go into these backward countries and provide food, medicine, aide, doctors, while Muslims kill Muslims in the name of Allah Christians clean up the blood that drips off their unholy vile hands.

That is so funny. In Nigeria, in 2004 Christians killing people, Rwanda, other places and you call yourself civiliZED.

Back to Colpy, you said New Testament which points to the fact that the good book has been edited to take out those other "phrases or verses".

The first one said something like "go out and convert the pagans". Which is either through good or violent means just like the Koran. The only book that remains true to itself is the Koran which is the only one to never be edited.

 

[EastSideScotian]

That is so funny. In Nigeria, in 2004 Christians killing people, Rwanda, other places and you call yourself civiliZED.

Back to Colpy, you said New Testament which points to the fact that the good book has been edited to take out those other "phrases or verses".

The first one said something like "go out and convert the pagans". Which is either through good or violent means just like the Koran. The only book that remains true to itself is the Koran which is the only one to never be edited.

Why the hate/distaste on Christains? We have never said we are Perfect, we have the Crusades, whitch hunts, and Protsent Catholic wars....... Anyone Muslim Jew and Christain can be misled.

And whos to say which Christain is a Christain some may hide under the title, but God Knows their true Intentions, Need you not worry your head, God will take care of the Christains, Jews and Muslims for their actions.

 

[earth_as_one]

The bible versus the Koran is a mute argument, 200-2000 years ago Christians were invaders of other Nations today we are a civilised society that respects all religions including Islam, hindu, wicca, the church of the rising sun. It doens't matter in the West we are all free to practice any religion. Islam is a backward Religion in most countries it dehumanizes women and children. For those defenders of extreme Islam ask yourself this: Why are Muslims killing so many Muslims? Irag, brother against brother. Afghanistan Muslim against Muslim, the Sudan Muslim killing Muslims and christians when they take a break from killing fellow Muslims. Give me ONE example of Christians killing Muslims on mass, you can't because it isn't happening. Nice try trying to deflect this issue as being a Christian versus Islam issue but the fact is world wide Extreme Islam is raging a holy war against it's own followers. It is the Christians that go into these backward countries and provide food, medicine, aide, doctors, while Muslims kill Muslims in the name of Allah Christians clean up the blood that drips off their unholy vile hands.

Today we are a civilized society? Really?

Just look at all the anti-Muslim BS posted on this website. Religious intolerance is hardly civilized.

Look at the war crimes our leaders have committed in Iraq. The west's war crimes in the middle east far exceed the crimes committed on 9/11, in terms of loss of life and damage to infrastructure.

Iraq is a far more dangerous place than it was before it was "liberated".

Recently Lancet released a second survey to determine how much deadlier Iraq has become.

Lancet surveys of mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq

...The second survey, published on 11 October 2006, estimated 655,000 deaths related to the war, or 2.5% of the population. [1] The new study applied similar methods and involved surveys during May and June 2006. Considerably more households were surveyed, allowing for a relatively tighter claimed 95% confidence interval of 393,000 to 943,000 excess Iraqi deaths...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_mortality_before_and_after_the_2003_invasion_of_Iraq

Using fear and misinformation to manipulate the general population into supporting an unprovoked war which has resulted in an estimated 655,000 deaths (2.5% of the population) is hardly civilized.

Also, the death and destruction in Iraq has been increasing steadily ever since the invasion.

So don't preach that we are superior in some way, because we aren't.

 

[CDNBear]

earth, as much as I like your input, this is about Rwanda. And Rwanda wasn't about Christians killing non Christians, it was a bigoted class war. Pure and simple. Kind of like some of the minds around here, without the pure.