Poll: Some Alberta men believe violence against women is okay

[Tonington]

I found that the article kind of sensationalizes the information. When the stats were 8%, the article translated that to 1/10. Accuracy would dictate that they state 1/12.

Well, the article actually said "almost one in ten", not exactly one in ten, which is true. How do you know how accurate the result they obtained is? Considering the margin of error for the sample size used is 2.5%, it's not kosher even to think that 8% is the true value of the 18 year old and older Albertan males who disagree that it's never OK to physically assault a women when she makes those men angry. In fact it's practically certain not to be 8%.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Yeah right, released at, and presumably commissioned by, the Alberta Council of Women's Shelters... Think they might have an agenda? Both that news report and the pdf document linked to clearly show an implicit assumption that all domestic violence is done by men. It's not. Long term study by the Family Research Laboratory at the University of New Hampshire has found that men are just as likely to be victims of domestic violence as women, women and men are the instigators of violence about a quarter of the time each, half the time it's mutual brawling, unclear who struck the first blow, and domestic violence occurs in only 3 to 4 percent of families. Those are admittedly American results, but given the cultural similarities it's hard to argue that things would be much different here.

Wish I could give a link to the source I'm citing there, it used to be at urbanlegends.com but it's been archived and is no longer available online, though I did find a listing for it in an archive. It's item 5 on the list at this page: tafkac.org

 

[wulfie68]

Well as an Alberta male:

- I don't believe in hitting women except maybe in self defense
- the slapping a child in the face thing, depends on the situation and who you define as a child: is it anyone under 18? 16? 12? I slapped my 14 yr old stepson in the mouth for swearing at me and I'd do it again, no apology but in most other circumstances, no.
- the women dressing provocatively risking rape, I look at that as common sense: women risk rape by being in the wrong environment, and thats not a factor I control with my belief, but rather the way the world is. She doesn't deserve to be raped, no matter what, but a woman dressed to seduce will sometimes arouse the interest of the wrong guy, the ones who don't like hearing "no".

 

[damngrumpy]

I do not think a man should hit a woman under any circumstance, shoot her yes but hit her NO
Seriously I have been around a long time and I don't think there is any excuse for such behavior.
I think there is a penchant for violence in our society these days though. We had neighbours who
fought and did strange things. Once the guys wife waited outside the pub and hit him with the car,
three weeks later he attempted the same thing only he ran into another car.
The whole thing was settled when he stabbed her something like forty seven time and lit out for
Mexico. He returned home a couple of months later and got four years in prison, no bull. This
happened in the Okanagan several years back.
There is no excuse for hitting a woman period I don't care how old you are or what the circumstances
are.

 

[skookumchuck]

What if they phrased the same question to a thousand women of that age group, is it ok to hit a man?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Is this part of Alberta's "conservative" values???

(as long as they realize that the same kind of violence against them (MEN) would be ok too.

Equal opportunity spouse battery. Nothing less.;-) ;-)

And here we so wrongly thought that Alberta was rather progressive .......:-(

 

[55Mercury]

Is this part of Alberta's "conservative" values???

(as long as they realize that the same kind of violence against them (MEN) would be ok too.

Equal opportunity spouse battery. Nothing less.;-) ;-)

And here we so wrongly thought that Alberta was rather progressive .......:-(

that's absurd.

no one has ever thought any such thing

 

[Bar Sinister]

Albertans are not all conservative-voting troglodytes. There are some of us who have never voted conservative. And as some have pointed out, what does that have to do with the survey anyway? It seems to me that true conservative values require treating a woman with honour and dignity. Striking a woman under any circumstances short of self-defence is simply not part of conservative ideology. Fascist ideology perhaps, but not conservative.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Albertans are not all conservative-voting troglodytes. There are some of us who have never voted conservative. And as some have pointed out, what does that have to do with the survey anyway? It seems to me that true conservative values require treating a woman with honour and dignity. Striking a woman under any circumstances short of self-defence is simply not part of conservative ideology. Fascist ideology perhaps, but not conservative.

I doubt very much that there's any correlation between political affiliation and abuse...even if some would like that to be the case...

 

[JLM]

Almost one in 10 Alberta men believes hitting a woman is okay if she makes them angry, says a recent poll.

The Leger Marketing survey also found 40 per cent of the men say women who dress provocatively risk being raped

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Some men from everywhere believe violence against women is OK.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

For me it is simple: Mutual respect between both genders and aim for being a team if both are in a partnership/marriage..The idea is to bring out the best in each other , not CONTROL the other.

Those that actually believe it is ok to be violent towards women..... probably have a tendency towards over aggression as a "norm". and are basically control freaks .

Women who claim they would not mind being beaten by some celeb.......need therapy , are fools or are lying. (or letting their fantasy world get carried away )

Men who beat women , would probably do them even more harm . The problem is that the pathology involves both. One being sadistic, the other being masochistic. And they have an incredible way of finding each other.

 

[talloola]

No, you just stated that it stands to reason that it would happen.... no, it does NOT stand to reason. Like I said, it's called self control, and any man that can NOT control himself, well, he ain't much a fuc king man.

thats right, and that is the group that could/would rape a woman who is dressed in a way that shows much
of her 'bare' body, and I don't mean at the beach, but that could also be a problem
to 'those particular men'.

of course no one should ever hit or rape any woman, but when they dress like that, they should have the
brains to know they are taking a risk, because those 'ain't much of a man' are all out there, and will
behave in a very unacceptable way, at any given time.

just saying they should have control doesn't make them have control, and women are raped.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

I doubt very much that there's any correlation between political affiliation and abuse...even if some would like that to be the case...

Not sure about that. The conservative mindset has its own qualities and features . A more liberal thinking mindset is probably more prone to be liberal and more open.

Would be interesting to see if any research has been done on this topic.

 

[55Mercury]

Not sure about that. The conservative mindset has its own qualities and features . A more liberal thinking mindset is probably more prone to be liberal and more open.

Would be interesting to see if any research has been done on this topic.

of course, you've never hit anyone, have you Oashy?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

of course, you've never hit anyone, have you Oashy?

thanks for the cutesy name.;-) And NO I have NEVER hit anyone. NEVER slapped anyone. And hope I never do. It is against my profession, my humanitarian belief system and against ones basic common sense. Very basic life premise: DO NO HARM.

Anger usually is behind such violence. So anger management is imperative ......even if it is just walking away.

thanks for asking. Have a nice eveningl.

 

[Colpy]

Is this part of Alberta's "conservative" values???

(as long as they realize that the same kind of violence against them (MEN) would be ok too.

Equal opportunity spouse battery. Nothing less.;-) ;-)

And here we so wrongly thought that Alberta was rather progressive .......:-(

Oh get off it!!!

You would find roughly the same "values" (or lack thereof) in any group of men of the same age anywhere in Canada.....and it would be considerably BETTER than most of the rest of the world.

Dexter Sinister is absolutely correct.....this is a survey with an agenda....probably done in Fort McMoney.........where the male population is young, tough, transiant.......and working class. Or maybe the stats there would have been much worse.......

Although I agree with DS on that, and I acknowledge that female violence is also a problem....I think men are MUCH better equipped to defend themselves.....(although then they go to jail, and are added to the domestic violence statistics as the instigator)

YES, women that go to bars dressed to advertise the wares in the most blatant way possible are at risk of being assaulted....BIG surprise there!!!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Imagine one of these scenarios. First, you're at a nice restaurant, across the way you can see a table with a man and a woman deeply engaged in conversation, and suddenly you see the woman slap the man across the face. What do you think happened? Second, reverse it, you see the man smack the woman in the face. What do you think happened? And what does it mean if your answers are different in each case?

 

[wulfie68]

Imagine one of these scenarios. First, you're at a nice restaurant, across the way you can see a table with a man and a woman deeply engaged in conversation, and suddenly you see the woman slap the man across the face. What do you think happened? Second, reverse it, you see the man smack the woman in the face. What do you think happened? And what does it mean if your answers are different in each case?

Heh. I was in Houston around Christmas, and my sister (who lives there now) and I were out to dinner. We have a turbulent relationship but there's a lot of love at the base of it. We were discussing some family issues(namely estranged family members and how we can avoid making the same mistakes they had made), quietly, but passionately and my sister started to cry. Our server came over and asked me what I did to her. I tried not to laugh, but my sister kinda smiled and told her that we were family and discussing some things , and that she had initiated the conversation. The young lady looked long at me a second gave an "oh. You're family?" pause and appraising look. "Just be nice to her." And she went about her business.

Now I know if my sister had say slapped me or thrown a drink in my face, the reaction from the server and other patrons would have been different. And yes it was Houston, not Edmonton or Calgary but I don't think the values governing our reactions are very different.

 

[karrie]

Almost one in 10 Alberta men believes hitting a woman is okay if she makes them angry, says a recent poll.

Is that all? Because I'd guess that better than 10% of women clear across Canada think it's okay to smack a man when he pisses them off.

 

[Colpy]

Imagine one of these scenarios. First, you're at a nice restaurant, across the way you can see a table with a man and a woman deeply engaged in conversation, and suddenly you see the woman slap the man across the face. What do you think happened? Second, reverse it, you see the man smack the woman in the face. What do you think happened? And what does it mean if your answers are different in each case?

Yeah....and I've got to say it....in most cases the slap by a female across a man's face would sting........

Not so the other way around.

A male striking a female in any way indicates his willingness to harm her, and his determination to control her.

Not so the other way around

I honestly think there is something to be said for the traditional attitude of overlooking minor female violence against Cads..

My little 100lb wife has elbows I sincerely think she hones with a pencil sharpener.

They are occasionally applied to my ribs......when I am telling an inappropriate joke, laughing in a funeral, or giggling uncontrollably in a wedding mass........

LOL

The funeral singer sounded like a cat having its tail twisted. We were among the mourners.

My late best and well- loved buddy sat next to me at a Catholic wedding....in the mass, there is some ritual tinkling of bells (neither of us are Catholic) while the priest carries on.....after the third ding-a-ling, Ron leaned over and whispered...."Is he NEVER gonna answer that damn phone?"

I lost it.

Both required vigorous application of the elbow.

I don't think that is assault.