Physicist Stephen Hawking tells US to stop attacking British health service

[SirJosephPorter]

Baloney. The mainstream newsmedia are the mainstream newsmedia. Canadians are just as hungry for celebrity as Americans.

Maybe. But Canadians don’t regard their PM as celebrity (the one exception was Trudeau). Americans regard their president as celebrity; they are interested in each and every detail of the private life of the president.

Whether you agree or not, that is the big difference between USA and Canada (indeed, between USA and most countries). We leave the private life of our PM alone, Americans don’t leave the private life of their president alone, it is left to hang out, for everybody to see.

 

[Unforgiven]

There's also no point in trying to get people to use any sense either. They just stubbornly keep being apologists for screwups.

Yeah 60 people driving to the middle of nowhere each day to provide hospital services for 30 people is sensible. So much for your claim of sensibility. :roll:

 

[Cliffy]

According to the WHO's ranking in 2000,(The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems), Canada's Health Care ranked 30th worldwide:

1 France

YouTube - Bill Maher on France

 

[AnnaG]

Yeah 60 people driving to the middle of nowhere each day to provide hospital services for 30 people is sensible. So much for your claim of sensibility fat head. :roll:

You have evidence of 60 people driving to nowhere to provide care for 30 people? This area has more than 30 people. And no I won't be baited by your childish namecalling. Grow up.

 

[AnnaG]

I guess a doc or two would be too much to ask for to provide for 30 people. lmao So much for equal healthcare for all Canadians. It's just another myth that the sheeple of Canada swallow as "fact".

 

[AnnaG]

Maybe. But Canadians don’t regard their PM as celebrity (the one exception was Trudeau). Americans regard their president as celebrity; they are interested in each and every detail of the private life of the president.

Whether you agree or not, that is the big difference between USA and Canada (indeed, between USA and most countries). We leave the private life of our PM alone, Americans don’t leave the private life of their president alone, it is left to hang out, for everybody to see.

Baloney. But, whatever. You aren't man enough to admit being wrong in ANY case.

 

[Machjo]

You very conveniently left out the ranking of USA. Machjo. What is the ranking of USA?

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 <A href="http://allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html" target=_blank>United States of America

As you can see, Canada and the US are both down there. It would appear that extreme (i.e. purely capitalist or purely socialist) systems fail to exploit the strengths of the other. As I was saying, two-tier systems seem to rank highest, and so instead of the US copying the Canadian model, both Canada and the US ought to be copying two-tier models. This woudl ahve the added advantage of niehter country having to scrap its current system, but rather simply add an additional alternative system to it. Much easier for both sides.

 

[Cliffy]

As you can see, Canada and the US are both down there. It would appear that extreme (i.e. purely capitalist or purely socialist) systems fail to exploit the strengths of the other. As I was saying, two-tier systems seem to rank highest, and so instead of the US copying the Canadian model, both Canada and the US ought to be copying two-tier models. This woudl ahve the added advantage of niehter country having to scrap its current system, but rather simply add an additional alternative system to it. Much easier for both sides.

This would also entail getting the brains to see past their noses, the view of which is largely blocked by Big Pharma bucks.

 

[Machjo]

This would also entail getting the brains to see past their noses, the view of which is largely blocked by Big Pharma bucks.

And imagine the ego blow of admitting we're not the best, to boot.

And this for Sir Joseph. The reason I hadn't included the US in the previous post is because I'm Canadian. Sorry.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Baloney. But, whatever. You aren't man enough to admit being wrong in ANY case.

Sorry Anna, but if you are claiming that Canadians are as interested in the private life of their PM as Americans are interested in the private life of their president, you could not be more wrong.

I am not going to admit I am wrong (and you are right), just to end the argument. In this case, you are wrong. Canadians pretty much leave their PM alone; don’t pry into his private life, Americans do.

So it is quite understandable if a Canadian does not know the names of the kids of the PM (I don’t). There is no excuse for an American not to know the name of the kids of the president.

 

[Machjo]

So it is quite understandable if a Canadian does not know the names of the kids of the PM (I don’t). There is no excuse for an American not to know the name of the kids of the president.

So you're encouraging Americans to snoop in the private life of their president?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

would appear that extreme (i.e. purely capitalist or purely socialist) systems fail to exploit the strengths of the other. As I was saying, two-tier systems seem to rank highest, and so instead of the US copying the Canadian model, both Canada and the US ought to be copying two-tier models. This would have the added advantage of neither country having to scrap its current system, but rather simply add an additional alternative system to it. Much easier for both sides.

There is still a big difference between USA and Canada, Machjo. There isn’t a big push in Canada to fundamentally change the Canadian system. Lou Dobbs (no friend of Canada) quoted in his program that 70% of Canadians are satisfied with their health care system. If people don’t want change, politicians are not going to push for it.

In USA, a substantial part of population wants fundamentals changes. The costs are going through the roof, more and more people are losing medical insurance. Except for the rabid right, extremists of the Republican Party and the insurance companies, most people agree that there have to be some changes. That is what is pushing the change in USA. There is no such push in Canada.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

So you're encouraging Americans to snoop in the private life of their president?

I am not encouraging anything, I am telling it like the way it is. Obama’s daughters have been in the news many times, there no excuse for an American not to know their names. Harper’s family is rarely (if at all) in the news, it is perfectly understandable if Canadian do not know the names of Harper’s kids.

 

[Machjo]

would appear that extreme (i.e. purely capitalist or purely socialist) systems fail to exploit the strengths of the other. As I was saying, two-tier systems seem to rank highest, and so instead of the US copying the Canadian model, both Canada and the US ought to be copying two-tier models. This would have the added advantage of neither country having to scrap its current system, but rather simply add an additional alternative system to it. Much easier for both sides.

There is still a big difference between USA and Canada, Machjo. There isn’t a big push in Canada to fundamentally change the Canadian system. Lou Dobbs (no friend of Canada) quoted in his program that 70% of Canadians are satisfied with their health care system. If people don’t want change, politicians are not going to push for it.

In USA, a substantial part of population wants fundamentals changes. The costs are going through the roof, more and more people are losing medical insurance. Except for the rabid right, extremists of the Republican Party and the insurance companies, most people agree that there have to be some changes. That is what is pushing the change in USA. There is no such push in Canada.

I'm not denying the Canadian system is superior to the US one. And you're right, if Canadians aren't pushing for change, then maybe keeping our system is fine. But since the Americans are pushing for change, if they're going to change anyway, might as well aim to be among the best, and that woudl mean copying the French, or Singaporean, or other system, and not the Canadian one.

 

[Machjo]

If I were an American, I'd probably be tearig the US system to shreds right now, owing to my self-critical nature. But since I'm a Canadian, my self-critical nature thus turns on Canada. Yes, the Canadian system is better than the US one, but since I'm naturally self-critical and Canadian, I won't give my country any leeway.

 

[Unforgiven]

You have evidence of 60 people driving to nowhere to provide care for 30 people? This area has more than 30 people. And no I won't be baited by your childish name calling. Grow up.

You grow up.

Evidence. Maybe you're drunk or something, at least then you would have some feeble excuse. As I said, you choose to live out in the sticks, you choose to live that far from a hospital. No one needs to cater to your wants and desires, if you choose something then deal with the consequences.

 

[Unforgiven]

I guess a doc or two would be too much to ask for to provide for 30 people. lmao So much for equal healthcare for all Canadians. It's just another myth that the sheeple of Canada swallow as "fact".

Yeah it is. Anyone in a major city will tell you that a doctor that has only 30 patients is a joke. Seeing 6 patients a day is your idea of sensible? Holy ****, you're not even smart enough to be sheep. You don't want equal you want privileged treatment far beyond what anyone in Canada receives. What you need is a doctor to look at that swelled head of yours and see if you can get some treatment for that over inflated sense of entitlement you have. :sign5:

 

[DaSleeper]

I find we have pretty good health care....even up north just a day or two less than two weeks ago at a festival in River Valley Ontario (google it...it's in the sticks) someone got sick, that the emergency personnel on the scene were not equipped to handle..
An ambulance was dispatched from the closest hospital 30 miles away and so was a helicopter from Sudbury with paramedics on board....by the time the land ambulance got there the paramedics from the air ambulance had stabilized the patient enough that the helicopter could leave in case of another emergency and the patient was transported by land....
YouTube - Air Ambulance

 

[#juan]

Is your hearing better now??;-)

Eh? What's that?

 

[Nuggler]

Eh? What's that?

............open hear surgery..........




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