Of course, you can not argue on a level field, so call him a racist, you are a tit.
He was reffering to the superiority of democracy you ass. Go back to conspiracies, you funnier there.
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Of course, you can not argue on a level field, so call him a racist, you are a tit.
He was reffering to the superiority of democracy you ass. Go back to conspiracies, you funnier there.
CDNbear
Interesting “nom-de-plume” by the way…
Can we rightly infer that you’re a Canadian of Russian descent or that you simply support communism as your preferred social organizing principle? J
As uncomfortable as you may feel with focusing on reality for a moment, by what metric would you assert that you live in a “democracy”?
When the wealth of the uppermost two percent of the nation control ninety-six percent of all the wealth of a nation, is it reasonable to believe that the poor, racial and gender minorities etc., the basis of “democracy” being: a numerical majority of the people of a nation make decisions binding on the whole group…actually “control” government in this nation?
Do you really believe that a government that’s been exposed time and time again as being in the corner of the corporations and is prepared to sacrifice everything from “equality” (yes we head-taxed the Chinese then had them build our “national symbol”) then we all decided that we’d pay back the Germans and the Japanese we put into internment camps because they lived here, had businesses here etc. and we unjustly took their lives away from them and….
If you’re suggesting that the people of Canada decided to forego and dismiss concepts like ‘fair treatment of our aboriginal people’ and “unsuitability for positions of authority and responsibility = women” and we all had a part in shaping the structures of society that we’ve discovered after years as unjust and unfair then yes, you’d be right, the majority of Canadians (a democracy) embrace prejudice and revel in maintaining an inequitable dispersion of wealth….
I personally don’t believe that for a moment.
I believe that if you asked the average Canadian if they’d be likely to approve of subjugating the Chinese or delight in entrenching prejudices against women and other particular segments of Canadian society that they’d surprise you.
You and I live in an oligarchy.
Sometimes that oligarchy presents as a “democracy” but this is rarely the actual exercise of democracy and is intended instead to lend credence to the myth of democracy that we all so desperately embrace.
When the metric used by some to argue for war and bloodshed is the rationale of “democracy”, the use of this word is symbol representing an idealized condition wherein every member of that society agrees that their experience of “democracy” is what they’re experiencing on a daily basis, is just that, a symbol and does not accurately reflect the reality.
Ask anyone who’s living on a reserve or fixed income, ask a woman trying to make her way in the world or ask a poor or sick person if they think they’re realizing the good fortune of living in a democracy?
Our democracy is predicated on consumption and as long as those who control consumption.. distribution and production…decide that it’s a good thing for soldiers to die in Afghanistan then soldiers will die in Afghanistan and if you think you can do anything to change this course of events, celebrate that you can “vote” and remember that vote when you’re standing in front of a cenotaph somewhere remembering the lives of those you’re so willing to sacrifice in the name of cheap gasoline and an available convenient target for your hatred.
Interesting “nom-de-plume” by the way…
Can we rightly infer that you’re a Canadian of Russian descent or that you simply support communism as your preferred social organizing principle? J
As uncomfortable as you may feel with focusing on reality for a moment, by what metric would you assert that you live in a “democracy”?
When the wealth of the uppermost two percent of the nation control ninety-six percent of all the wealth of a nation, is it reasonable to believe that the poor, racial and gender minorities etc., the basis of “democracy” being: a numerical majority of the people of a nation make decisions binding on the whole group…actually “control” government in this nation?
Do you really believe that a government that’s been exposed time and time again as being in the corner of the corporations and is prepared to sacrifice everything from “equality” (yes we head-taxed the Chinese then had them build our “national symbol”) then we all decided that we’d pay back the Germans and the Japanese we put into internment camps because they lived here, had businesses here etc. and we unjustly took their lives away from them and….
If you’re suggesting that the people of Canada decided to forego and dismiss concepts like ‘fair treatment of our aboriginal people’ and “unsuitability for positions of authority and responsibility = women” and we all had a part in shaping the structures of society that we’ve discovered after years as unjust and unfair then yes, you’d be right, the majority of Canadians (a democracy) embrace prejudice and revel in maintaining an inequitable dispersion of wealth….
I personally don’t believe that for a moment.
I believe that if you asked the average Canadian if they’d be likely to approve of subjugating the Chinese or delight in entrenching prejudices against women and other particular segments of Canadian society that they’d surprise you.
You and I live in an oligarchy.
Sometimes that oligarchy presents as a “democracy” but this is rarely the actual exercise of democracy and is intended instead to lend credence to the myth of democracy that we all so desperately embrace.
When the metric used by some to argue for war and bloodshed is the rationale of “democracy”, the use of this word is symbol representing an idealized condition wherein every member of that society agrees that their experience of “democracy” is what they’re experiencing on a daily basis, is just that, a symbol and does not accurately reflect the reality.
Ask anyone who’s living on a reserve or fixed income, ask a woman trying to make her way in the world or ask a poor or sick person if they think they’re realizing the good fortune of living in a democracy?
Our democracy is predicated on consumption and as long as those who control consumption.. distribution and production…decide that it’s a good thing for soldiers to die in Afghanistan then soldiers will die in Afghanistan and if you think you can do anything to change this course of events, celebrate that you can “vote” and remember that vote when you’re standing in front of a cenotaph somewhere remembering the lives of those you’re so willing to sacrifice in the name of cheap gasoline and an available convenient target for your hatred.
Where exactly did you get the notion, I was for any war in Afghanistan or anywhere else for that matter.
In this thread, I have prooved that the Hezbollah has used human shields, and I have stated my aligences to Israel and the IDF as brothers in arms.
I do not hate anyone, although the "Fred Flintstone" in me raises his ugly head from time to time, I have taken steps to educate myself to the Muslim peoples, and therefore been able to seperate the diference between an Islamofascist and a Muslim.
Being call a communist is a new one to me, the favoured term for my side of th efence around here is neo con.
But it strikes me as odd, that a way left liberal as yourself would call anyone a communist, that is a kin to a pot calling the kettle black.
True, I believe in Canada's more socialist services, ie healthcare, limited welfare, un-employment insurance and so forth. But I also believe in accountablity. Which is why the liberals had to leave office and why I take leaders from my community to task on their irregularities in finances.
I don't recall, bringing up the Native issue here, but I made no such suggestion as you indicate.
I have seen and pointed out the wrongs of both the Canadian and American democratic processes, and been chastised for it. But as much as you use big flowery words, you have neither got a grasp on me or my views.
Quite frankly, I'm not sure why you posted this shot here. It is so far off topic, it leaves me wondering about your computer skills.
You have a point that some people only understand what comes out of the barrel of a weapon. I take a long term view on that concept. 300 million Americans and a few million Israelis will eventually have to answer to 1.5 billion Muslims and Arabs for their crimes in Palestine and the middle east.
What goes around, comes around.
Personally, I'd rather see these problems solved peacefully. But as long as Israel and the US continue to use force to get their way, sooner or later they will be overcome by force.
He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.
This other thread offers some insight about the future in this region:
Here;s one, right from your HRW's sight.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/10/05/lebano14336.htm
Here's a quote gopher, so stifle the smug attitude please.
"Because of Hezbollah’s secrecy, little is known about the conduct of its forces inside Lebanon and whether its own actions put Lebanese civilians at risk. Human Rights Watch’s research found that on a number of occasions Hezbollah unjustifiably endangered Lebanese civilians by storing weapons in civilian homes, firing rockets from populated areas, and allowing its fighters to operate from civilian homes. Hezbollah also used children as active combatants, another violation of the law. "
Calling me names and such, just winds me up, being smug and indignant, just makes me wanna prove people wrong.
I too, was referring to the "superiority of democracy" which colonizing countries felt they had, as well as the superiority of colour and religion- but perhaps you are not a history buff, so perhaps discussing past atrocities with you is above your level.
Let's consider then the idea that somehow we are going to bring "democracy" to Iraq.
Sorry, wasnt trying to be funny on this thread. It is too sad a topic.
Oh, and yes, two BIG tits, actually.
I don't think democracy should be forced on anyone. It should be earned. If it is your cup-o-tea, then some form of government that doesn't affect other nations.
I don't think the Iraq war was a wise venture at all. But it is most definetly oil based as apposed to race based. hey that ryhmes!
In general, not to just you fuzzy. BTW, it got afful quiet now that the truth is outta the bag!
What truth are you talking about CDNbear?
That the truth of those weapons of mass destruction wasn't? That the prosecution of a war on terrorism is carte blanche for Israel to practice its invasion at its leisure or that everyone from Palestinians and Jews and Marines an soldiers at ABu Ghraib and Guantanamo all comit atrocities and are the same when the rhetoric of propaganda is stripped away?
Is that the truth you're alluding to here Bear???
That the truth of those weapons of mass destruction wasn't? That the prosecution of a war on terrorism is carte blanche for Israel to practice its invasion at its leisure or that everyone from Palestinians and Jews and Marines an soldiers at ABu Ghraib and Guantanamo all comit atrocities and are the same when the rhetoric of propaganda is stripped away?
Is that the truth you're alluding to here Bear???
OH and before you make another senseless remark, "democracy" arises from within a society, it isn't some objective plum waiting for a society to pick it like or "earn it" like some holy grail. You think you know or understand the term democracy but you don't really. Your idea of democracy is keeping everything the way it is with the few in control while the majority can't even be bothered to get out and lend their vote to the sham of democracy in which you live!
I understand though. You're a "company man", a man who believes what he's told and if he's told that the opportunity to choose between a Chevrolet and a Ford is "freedom" that's just fine with you. If your choice were between putting on a uniform and killing whomever the wealthy pointed their finger at as the bad guy, I'm sure you'd have your helmet and marching boots at the ready. Even if those whom you'd be sent to kill weren't involved but lived in a caudron of Soviet/British/American/Canadian militarism with its purpose to furher the interests of those same wealthy who let you believe you live in a democracy and are "free" so they can call on you to die when there's killing needed to secure their resources....
I understand though. You're a "company man", a man who believes what he's told and if he's told that the opportunity to choose between a Chevrolet and a Ford is "freedom" that's just fine with you. If your choice were between putting on a uniform and killing whomever the wealthy pointed their finger at as the bad guy, I'm sure you'd have your helmet and marching boots at the ready. Even if those whom you'd be sent to kill weren't involved but lived in a caudron of Soviet/British/American/Canadian militarism with its purpose to furher the interests of those same wealthy who let you believe you live in a democracy and are "free" so they can call on you to die when there's killing needed to secure their resources....
Reply to Bear ...
from the HRW site which you provided:
"Human Rights Watch documented Israel’s systematic failure to discriminate between military and civilian objects in its aerial bombardment campaign, in some cases to the point of war crimes. "
In other words, it documented Israel's war crimes. Note that HRW did not say Hezbollah's actions (which as of 10-5-06) were actual war crimes (it says 'probable') and is not conclusive proof of war crimes as are Israel's actions. In 1996 it concluded that, contrary to the IDF's allegations, war crimes were NOT documented. I'm willing to take a bet that it will reach the same conclusion IF it undertakes another such investigation into this summer's unfortunate activities.
from the HRW site which you provided:
"Human Rights Watch documented Israel’s systematic failure to discriminate between military and civilian objects in its aerial bombardment campaign, in some cases to the point of war crimes. "
In other words, it documented Israel's war crimes. Note that HRW did not say Hezbollah's actions (which as of 10-5-06) were actual war crimes (it says 'probable') and is not conclusive proof of war crimes as are Israel's actions. In 1996 it concluded that, contrary to the IDF's allegations, war crimes were NOT documented. I'm willing to take a bet that it will reach the same conclusion IF it undertakes another such investigation into this summer's unfortunate activities.
Calling me names and such, just winds me up, being smug and indignant, just makes me wanna prove people wrong.
Don't poke the Bear.
Where did I call you any names on this thread?
Don't poke the Bear.
Where did I call you any names on this thread?
Goper
I've marvelled at the number of times "discussions" on this site have been reduced to "ass-head" "Liberal" (I suppose for many here being called a Liberal would be tantamount to calling their parentage into question) but it seems a little childish to me....
Bear asked me to stop poking my nose in from the "dark" or some such crap and asked me to be direct...which I interpreted as use the language Bear seems most comfortable with....which as it turns out is concomitant with the level of discourse one finds on schoolyards and sleezy bars....
I've marvelled at the number of times "discussions" on this site have been reduced to "ass-head" "Liberal" (I suppose for many here being called a Liberal would be tantamount to calling their parentage into question) but it seems a little childish to me....
Bear asked me to stop poking my nose in from the "dark" or some such crap and asked me to be direct...which I interpreted as use the language Bear seems most comfortable with....which as it turns out is concomitant with the level of discourse one finds on schoolyards and sleezy bars....
I don't believe I have called anyone names here.
You think Hezbollah took unnecessary chances with Lebanese lives, yet Israel didn't?
I have posted previously that Israel had been killing Lebanese civilians for two days before Hezbollah declared war without limits. How long should Hezbollah waited before targeting Israeli citizens in return was justified?
The truth I was "refferring" to, was that the HRW has documented the Hezbollah using human shields, please try to keep up.
And would you please shut up about Iraq, already! It's clear to everyone but you, that I have never advocated that war, EVER. Holy crap you're thick!
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Sorry earth, I just realized I didn't edit that. None of that smugness was directed at you. My most humblest apologies.
Actually, I was providing proof to Gopher, that the Hezbollah had used human shields, something he claimed did not have a basis in fact. He also stated that he would only accept proof from HRW, so I provided it.
Once again, I'm very sorry.
Once again, hitting below the belt with fancy words.
You haven't got the male fortitude to just say it, you must hide it in sly commentary, sheesh, at least I'm a man about it. You keep calling me childish, the last time I watch someone wander around pointing out someone to other people and trying to get a lil gang together so as not to have to face that person alone, I was in a play ground when my sons were 3 and 6. You might try growing up a bit. To quote Colpy once again, "You dropped your sookie."
And might I add, at least I'm brave enough, smart enough and mature enough, to either apologise or conceed when a fault is pointed out in my commentary. Unlike you, buried in smug self righteous BS, no wonder your posts are dismissed with nothing more then an "ummph". You don't rate any real concern.
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