Let Us Remember 9/11 Victims at 4th Anniversary
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Nascar_James
James, while I respect the remembering of those who died on 9/11, I wish Americans would respect the only two real ground zeros in the world. Both are in Japan. "Ground Zero" for years has meant the area of ground at the center of a nuclear bomb explosion where there is total destruction. Tens of thousands of Japanese people were evaporated instantly at the real ground zeros. More tens of thousands of Japanese people were killed further out from the center. More tens of thousands of Japanese people died from the lingering effects of radiation and radioactive fall-out. Japanese people are still dying from the effects of those two awful weapons. Calling the WTO area "ground zero" is a glib insult to the Japanese. IMO.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Japan/Hirosh.html
James, while I respect the remembering of those who died on 9/11, I wish Americans would respect the only two real ground zeros in the world. Both are in Japan. "Ground Zero" for years has meant the area of ground at the center of a nuclear bomb explosion where there is total destruction. Tens of thousands of Japanese people were evaporated instantly at the real ground zeros. More tens of thousands of Japanese people were killed further out from the center. More tens of thousands of Japanese people died from the lingering effects of radiation and radioactive fall-out. Japanese people are still dying from the effects of those two awful weapons. Calling the WTO area "ground zero" is a glib insult to the Japanese. IMO.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Japan/Hirosh.html
RE: Let Us Remember 9/11
We should also remember the first 9-11 on this date. A US-backed coup that brought Pinochet to power and marked the beginning of his US-supported reign of terror is remembered by Chileans every September 11.
While we're at it, let's remember all the innocents that have been killed in alleged retaliation for the 9-11 attacks. Far more of them have died than were killed in the US four years ago, and they were no more at fault than the people in the World Trade Center. They deserve to be remembered too.
We should also remember the first 9-11 on this date. A US-backed coup that brought Pinochet to power and marked the beginning of his US-supported reign of terror is remembered by Chileans every September 11.
While we're at it, let's remember all the innocents that have been killed in alleged retaliation for the 9-11 attacks. Far more of them have died than were killed in the US four years ago, and they were no more at fault than the people in the World Trade Center. They deserve to be remembered too.
#juan said:
Juan, Let us not forget PEARL HARBOR. I agree that many innocent Japanese civilians lost their lives when atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. However, so did many Americans at PEARL HARBOR and the Japanese started the whole thing by attacking PEARL HARBOR almost 4 years prior to the US attack. The US had a right to defend itself, and it rightfully retaliated. The Japanese were playing with fire, and they got burned. They subsequently surrendered.
God Bless America on this 4th anniversary of 9/11
James
However you justify or rationalise the nuclear attacks on Japan is irrelevant, my point was simply that calling the WTO site "ground zero" is a gross insult to the Japanese. In the "newspeak" that seems to be growing in America since GW came along, "ground zero" is just one more literary casualty.
However you justify or rationalise the nuclear attacks on Japan is irrelevant, my point was simply that calling the WTO site "ground zero" is a gross insult to the Japanese. In the "newspeak" that seems to be growing in America since GW came along, "ground zero" is just one more literary casualty.
May they all rest in peace.
And just for your info, there is a movie tonight on the Discovery channel of the plane where the passengers fought back. Bring the kleenex cause I suspect you'll be needing it.
And just for your info, there is a movie tonight on the Discovery channel of the plane where the passengers fought back. Bring the kleenex cause I suspect you'll be needing it.
Nascar_James said:
Answer - up until the day of the Pearl Harbour attack the U.S. was still selling pig iron to Japan for its war efforts. Business as usual. The U.S. remains the largest arms dealer in the world. They still haven't signed a ban against landmines, which kill many civilians every year, long after the wars are over. Bush's response to 9/11 showed his lack of vision or leadership. He turned horrible criminal acts into political opportunity.
would be a lot more DIGNIFIED to quietly remember the victims with RESPECT that they were victims of a tragic outcome of USR policies in the ME. Sadly OBL and his gang of terrorists were allowed to do acts for some time before 9-11...... and it wasn't effectively dealt with by the USG .....regardless of color./flavor.
It might be a lot more DIGNIFIED to examine ......quietly ......how this tragic event came to be.......and the role the US/R has played to foster anger/ terrorism on this planet. It is alot more than a gang of religious fanatics....... * the religious fanaticism is what gives them the drive, motivation, and impotus. It also might be a lot more dignified to QUESTION the USR motives, actions with fervor .........as is done in a true democracy. The victims .....all ..... from 9-11, Iraq etc deserve an honest explanation...... about why politics and POWER is more important than human beings. THAT is what is owed to the victims... still.
Less, noise. pomp and more quiet meditative dignity......as dignified respect is what is called for .......when thinking of 9-11 victims..............(and all other USG victims too). The entire dyanmic is important. (ask any analyst worth his salt ......)
Is the US "safer" four years later??? Absolutely not......as america has unfortunately mishandled this whole terror issue too. It played right into the terrorist hands..........while dancing the political dance of POWER. Let us remember too.........that OBL and others of his ilk are still at large...... and a new generation of terrorist has been created by the US actions......(particularly in Iraq)
And let's NOT be so fecking self oriented and absorbed in the 9-11 memorial/drama/sensationalism........that we forget 3-11 of Spain......and the most recent bombings in London. They are all inter related.
#juan said:
Let us not forget Jaun, that prior to surrender by Japan, the Japanese were Nazi sympathizers. I see no problem in insulting a Country who attacked us first and to top it off were Nazi sympathizers. I mean who really cares that anyone would be insulted if I use a term where a bunch of Nazi followers met their death?
RE: Let Us Remember 9/11
Where was your invisible man in the sky on that day? or for that matter when Katrina struck?
Some of you americans sure pray/worship a lot to someone who never does anything in return or even make an appearance. When will you get it through your heads, "god" is just a man made myth?
Where was your invisible man in the sky on that day? or for that matter when Katrina struck?
Some of you americans sure pray/worship a lot to someone who never does anything in return or even make an appearance. When will you get it through your heads, "god" is just a man made myth?
hmmm. didn't think you would.
( are Nazi sympathizers a bit like bushregime sympathizers??? seems there are certain similarities there.... :idea:
PoisonPete2 said:
Firstly, the benefits of landmines during a war far outweigh the accidental risk factor by civilians. Warnings are usually posted outlining the dangers of landmines in a given area.
Secondly, President Bush's response to 9/11 has avoided another attack on US soil. Appears to me the fight against terrorism has produced results.
this says that you don't give a sh** if US interests and citizens are attacked outside the US........as long as the mainland is not attacked..........YET.
interesting......but not surprising.
Re: RE: Let Us Remember 9/11
The factors that make evil likely are essential to there being a world at all and/or to the excellence of its design. For example, the fact that God made us free is a good feature of the world that we would not want to change. But it means that human beings and Satan who misuse that freedom can cause great misery (example the 9/11 terrorist attacks). In short, any good world would carry with it the possibility of evil. Therefore, if there is to be a world at all and a good world, evil is a likely feature of it, but this does not at all impugn either the power or the goodness of God.
no1important said:
The factors that make evil likely are essential to there being a world at all and/or to the excellence of its design. For example, the fact that God made us free is a good feature of the world that we would not want to change. But it means that human beings and Satan who misuse that freedom can cause great misery (example the 9/11 terrorist attacks). In short, any good world would carry with it the possibility of evil. Therefore, if there is to be a world at all and a good world, evil is a likely feature of it, but this does not at all impugn either the power or the goodness of God.
Ocean Breeze said:
I didn't say that I don't care. However, if some countries such as Canada refuse to invest in defense and/or missile defense then they have no one to blame but themselves and especially those who have elected the current government if an attack occurs on Canadian soil. We cannot help those you do not want to help themselves.
Since you brought it up...
Some examples of misuse:
The use of DU munitions.
The use of landmines.
Bombing civilian neighbourhoods.
Murdering journalists who report on the above.
While we're talking about your book though, Nascar Nero, how do you reconcile the greed of the Republican/religious right with there being less chance of a wealthy man getting into heaven than a camel passing through the eye of a needle?
I guess, just because we've wandered down this path, why does the phrase, "Render unto Caesar.....", which is widely considered by religious scholars to be an admonition against mixing church and state, ignored so readily by the you and the people you support?
Some examples of misuse:
The use of DU munitions.
The use of landmines.
Bombing civilian neighbourhoods.
Murdering journalists who report on the above.
While we're talking about your book though, Nascar Nero, how do you reconcile the greed of the Republican/religious right with there being less chance of a wealthy man getting into heaven than a camel passing through the eye of a needle?
I guess, just because we've wandered down this path, why does the phrase, "Render unto Caesar.....", which is widely considered by religious scholars to be an admonition against mixing church and state, ignored so readily by the you and the people you support?
My God! A living, breathing, rightwing, fundamentalist.
Tell me James If God made you free, How come He didn't make the Iraqis free? How come He didn't make the Afghanis free? Did God tell you to bomb Iraq back to the stone age? I won't even mention VietNam.
Tell me James If God made you free, How come He didn't make the Iraqis free? How come He didn't make the Afghanis free? Did God tell you to bomb Iraq back to the stone age? I won't even mention VietNam.
Reverend Blair said:
By misuse Rev, I meant the worst degenerates of our society, such as the terrorists.
Now, as for being against mixing church and state, I'm far from being against having an interface between the two. After all, we are living in a Nation under God. We elect the leader that makes these decisions. Come to think of it, not long ago (a couple decades perhaps), Canada also had a strong relationship between church and state. I remember going to publically funded Catholic elementary and high schools. Our schools back then (in Montreal) were divided along religious lines, not along the language lines that divide them now.
#juan said:
Everyone has a right to live in a free society. However, when someone comes along and attacks our freedom, such as the terrorists did on 9/11 we then need to act and restrict their freedoms. And restrict their freedoms we did. Our freedom is worth fighting for and we are willing to pay a price to keep our freedom.
James
I would never say that those who died on 9/11 deserved to die, but what I will say, is that the attacks on 9/11 were the direct result of American foreign policy, or what passes in it's stead. If America had been half as generous with the Palestinians as they have been with Israel, 9/11 would never have happened.
I would never say that those who died on 9/11 deserved to die, but what I will say, is that the attacks on 9/11 were the direct result of American foreign policy, or what passes in it's stead. If America had been half as generous with the Palestinians as they have been with Israel, 9/11 would never have happened.