Israel ambassador's comments 'unjustified': critics
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You're kidding right?
Look at the mess Europe is in with these people!!!
Look at Holland's new immigration policies and you'll see that this man is not alone.
If Israel is starting to feel insecure about her position on the world stage, perhaps it's time to reflect on how she's behaved on that stage. I've offered several observations. Seems, if Israel isn't praised, then it must be a jew-hater or a Nazi speaking.
I disagree...
It's in the context in which the scorn or ridicule is levied that you find the antisemitism.
(s m´t, s´mt) (KEY) , originally one of a people believed to be descended from Shem, son of Noah. Later the term came to include the following peoples: Arabs; the Akkadians of ancient Babylonia; the Assyrians; the Canaanites (including Amorites, Moabites, Edomites, Ammonites, and Phoenicians); the various Aramaean tribes (including Hebrews); and a considerable portion of the population of Ethiopia. These peoples are grouped under the term Semite, chiefly because their languages were found to be related, deriving presumably from a common tongue, Semitic. The Semites were largely nomadic pastoralists, although some settled in villages. At least as early as 2500 B.C., the Semites had begun to leave the Arabian peninsula in successive waves of migration that took them to Mesopotamia, the Mediterranean coast, and the Nile delta. They were organized into patrilineal tribes, occupying defined territories and ruled by hereditary leaders, or sheiks. In Mesopotamia, Semitic people from the earliest times were in contact with Sumerian civilization and with the rise of Sargon of Agade (Akkad) and Hammurabi of Babylon were able to dominate it completely (see Sumer).
The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-07.
Why is it do you suppose that “Anti-Semitism” is interpreted as “The intense dislike for and prejudice against Jewish people.”
Is there as similar term for Anti-Spanish or Anti-Australian….and if there’s a discrete definition that targets only the Jewish people….where did it come from?
Would an Anti-Australian be “Term that describes an intense dislike for and prejudice against Aboriginals”…
We’ve been conditioned to embrace the prejudice implicit in the interpreted meaning……
So who is the bigot…..?
The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-07.
Why is it do you suppose that “Anti-Semitism” is interpreted as “The intense dislike for and prejudice against Jewish people.”
Is there as similar term for Anti-Spanish or Anti-Australian….and if there’s a discrete definition that targets only the Jewish people….where did it come from?
Would an Anti-Australian be “Term that describes an intense dislike for and prejudice against Aboriginals”…
We’ve been conditioned to embrace the prejudice implicit in the interpreted meaning……
So who is the bigot…..?
I don't know which side first used it but it was about 1880, about the time Palestine was first eyed as being a prize that could be given to 'a certain group'.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=anti-semitic&r=66
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=anti-semitic&r=66
An old English prof told us it had something to do with people of the semitar. Unless I'm mistaken, isn't that a curved broadsword?
Woof!
Of course we have the right to be discriminate in who we allow into our country. I don't think anyone would argue against that. But, I don't think a persons religious beliefs by itself a valid reason to discriminate. If those beliefs are guiding and influencing behaviour that we don't want, well then fine enough, try another door. That's a horrible precedent if we simply cut off a group of people for being a follower of Islam, many of whom in this country have made worthwhile contributions to our society.
You'd be a bigot and a racist too if you were surrounded by hatred directed at you for who you are, and if the religion of one third of the people on Earth saw your destruction as a neccessary precursor to the rapture.
I wasn't aware there was strong anti-Israel sentiment in CTV studios. That's the problem with all of them. They bring their stupid wars and fragile egos with them.
LOL, get your facts straight, the 12 tribes that will fall are part of the 1/3 of mankind that the 4 unbound angels of the 6th trump kill, roughly 2B at todays count. Somebody recently said there were less than 20M Jews, even increasing that number to allow for other tribes still leaves a fair share of Gentiles in that group. Christ then kills 2/3 of all that are alive at His return, that is just Gentiles, not one from the 12 tribes is in that group.
When they start chastising their own for comments like below then I might see them as 'maybe' being more important than anybody else.
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Jehovah himself in heaven studies the Talmud, standing: he has such respect for that book.
Tractate Mechilla/Me'ilah
R. Johanan said: A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death, for it is written, Moses commanded us a law for an inheritance; it is our inheritance, not theirs. Then why is this not included in the Noachian laws? -- On the reading morasha [an inheritance] he steals it; on the reading me'orasah [betrothed], he is guilty as one who violates a betrothed maiden, who is stoned. An objection is raised: R. Meir used to say. Whence do we know that even a heathen who studies the Torah is as a High Priest? From the verse, [Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments:] which, if man do, he shall live in them. Priests, Levites, and Israelites are not mentioned, but men: hence thou mayest learn that even a heathen who studies the Torah is as a High Priest! -- That refers to their own seven laws.Sanhedrin 59a
To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.Libbre David 37
A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17
We beg Thee, O Lord, indict Thy wrath on the nations not believing in Thee, and not calling on Thy name. Let down Thy wrath on them and inflict them with Thy wrath. Drive them away in Thy wrath and crush them into pieces. Take away, O Lord, all bone from them. In a moment indict all disbelievers. Destroy in a moment all foes of Thy nation. Draw out with the root, disperse and ruin unworthy nations. Destroy them! Destroy them immediately, in this very moment! Prayer said on the eve of Passover (Pranajtis: Christianus in Talmudae Judeorum, quotations from: Synagoga [COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif][COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]Judaica[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR])[/COLOR]
The Feast of Tabernacles is the period when Israel triumphs over the other people of the world. That is why during this feast we seize the loulab and carry it as a trophy to show that we have conquered all other peoples, known as "populace"... Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b
When the [COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif][COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]Messiah[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D
Resh Lakish said: He who is observant of fringes will be privileged to be served by two thousand eight hundred slaves, for it is said, Thus saith the Lord of hosts: In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations shall even take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you, etc.Mas. Shabbath 31b
On the house of the Goy [Goy means unclean, and is the disparaging term for a non-Jew] one looks as on the fold of cattle. Tosefta, Tractate Erubin VIII
When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156
If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth.Choschen Hamm 388, 15
Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: "Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh; they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath." At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: "The Lord alone will appear great on that day!... Zohar, Vayshlah 177b
That the Jewish nation is the only nation selected by God, while all the remaining ones are contemptible and hateful. That all property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which consequently is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An [COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif][COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]orthodox [/FONT][COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]Jew[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general.
A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured.
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat, 348
R. Hanina said: If a heathen smites a Jew, he is worthy of death; for it is written, And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian. [Ex. 2:12] R. Hanina also said: He who smites an Israelite on the jaw, is as though he had thus assaulted the Divine Presence; for it is written, one who smiteth man [i.e. an Israelite] attacketh the Holy One.Sanhedrin 58b
[In other words, if a non-Jew kills a Jew, the non-Jew can be killed. Punching an Israelite is akin to assaulting God. (But killing a non-Jew is NOT like assaulting God.]
If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible. [In other words, if a non-Jew kills a Jew, the non-Jew can be killed. Punching an Israelite is akin to assaulting God. (But killing a non-Jew is NOT like assaulting God.]
Tosefta, Aboda Zara, VIII, 5
Has it not been taught: "With respect to robbery -- if one stole or robbed or [seized] a beautiful woman, or [committed] similar offences, if [these were perpetrated] by one Cuthean ["Cuthean" or "Samaritan" = goy/gentile/heathen/non-Jew] against another, [the theft, etc.] must not be kept, and likewise [the theft] of an Israelite by a Cuthean, but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained?" But if robbery is a capital offence, should not the Tanna have taught: He incurs a penalty? -- Because the second clause wishes to state, "but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained," therefore the former clause reads, "[theft of an Israelite by a Cuthean] must not be kept." But where a penalty is incurred, it is explicitly stated, for the commencing clause teaches: "For murder, whether of a Cuthean by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty?"Sanhedrin 57a
[Translation: A Jew may rob a Goy, but a Goy may not rob a Jew. If a Goy murders another Goy or a Jew, he should be killed, but a Jew will not be incur the death penalty for killing a non-Jew.]
Kill the Goyim by any means possible.[Translation: A Jew may rob a Goy, but a Goy may not rob a Jew. If a Goy murders another Goy or a Jew, he should be killed, but a Jew will not be incur the death penalty for killing a non-Jew.]
Choshen Ha'mishpat 425:50
Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious [non-Jews] is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God.Yalkut 245c
Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice. Zohar, Shemoth
Tob shebbe goyyim harog - Even the best of the Goyim (Gentiles) should be killed. Soferim 15, Rule 10
[NB: Hoffman says, "This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, 'Gentile,' (p. 617)." Another source says this passage is at Avodah Zara 26b. We have not been able to verify any of these references. It does not seem to be at Avodah Zara 26b of the Soncino edition.]
What is [the meaning of] Mount Sinai? The mountain whereon there descended hostility [sin'ah ] toward idolaters [non-Jews].[NB: Hoffman says, "This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, 'Gentile,' (p. 617)." Another source says this passage is at Avodah Zara 26b. We have not been able to verify any of these references. It does not seem to be at Avodah Zara 26b of the Soncino edition.]
Shabbath 89a
The same has been taught as follows: If the ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite [non-Jew] there is no liability, but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite... the payment is to be in full, as it is said: He stood and measured the earth, he beheld and drove asunder the nations [Gentiles], and again, He shined forth from Mount Paran...implying that from Paran he exposed their money to Israel.Baba Kama 38a
[Trans: The property of the Israelite is more valuable than that of the Gentile. Mount Paran refers to Deut. 33:2, where God offered the law to the nations (Gentiles), who rejected it. The money of the Gentiles is available to the Israelites.]
ONE SHOULD NOT PLACE CATTLE IN HEATHENS' INNS, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUSPECTED OF IMMORAL PRACTICE WITH THEM. A WOMAN SHOULD NOT BE ALONE WITH THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUSPECTED OF LEWDNESS, NOR SHOULD A MAN BE ALONE WITH THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUSPECTED OF SHEDDING BLOOD. . . [Trans: The property of the Israelite is more valuable than that of the Gentile. Mount Paran refers to Deut. 33:2, where God offered the law to the nations (Gentiles), who rejected it. The money of the Gentiles is available to the Israelites.]
Why then should we not leave female animals alone with female heathens? -- Said Mar 'Ukba b. Hama: Because heathens frequent their neighbours' wives, and should one by chance not find her in, and find the cattle there, he might use it immorally. You may also say that even if he should find her in he might use the animal, as a Master has said: Heathens prefer the cattle of Israelites to their own wives, for R. Johanan said: When the serpent came unto Eve he infused filthy lust into her.
Avodah Zarah 22a-b
He who pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over heathens or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle and vessels is right, for it is written: Upon the flesh of man [adam] shall it not be poured; and cattle and vessels are not man. Also with regard to the dead, [it is plausible] that he is exempt, since after death one is called corpse and not man. But why is one exempt in the case of heathens; are they not in the category of adam?—No, it is written: And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are adam [man]: Ye are called adam but heathens are not called ‘adam. But is it not written: And the persons [adam] were sixteen thousand? -- Because it is used in opposition to cattle. But is it not written: And should I not have pity on Nineveh [that great city, wherein are more than six score thousand persons [adam]?--This too is used in opposition to cattle.Mas. K'rithoth 6b
[This passage refers to anointing with oil. "Heathens," i.e., Gentiles, are not "adam" or man but are equated with cattle]
An objection was raised: And the persons were sixteen thousand!--This is due to [the mention of] cattle. Wherein are more than six-score thousand persons that cannot discern between their right and their left hand!--This is due [to the mention of] cattle.[This passage refers to anointing with oil. "Heathens," i.e., Gentiles, are not "adam" or man but are equated with cattle]
Mas. Yevamoth 61b
[Again non-Jews are referred to as "cattle."]
All Israelites will have a part in the future world... The Goyim, at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent down to hell. [Again non-Jews are referred to as "cattle."]
Zohar, Shemoth, Toldoth Noah, Lekh-Lekha
Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L
Everything a Jew needs for his church ritual no goy is permitted to manufacture, but only a Jew, because this must be manufactured by human beings and the Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings.Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39
A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat.Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348
http://www.truthbeknown.com/judaismquotes.htm
I think thta if someone makes a decision to come to a new land, they should adopt the values of the new land rather than trying to make the new land adapt to them. They should not bring their "motherland" conflicts and wars to a country they are moving to.
We choose to be flexible, we don't have to be. Part of being flexible is the ability to bar anything or anyone that's here to bite us in the ass. That's just common sense.
And for the record, not just anybody can get in to Canada. I have family in England, well educated, employed, plenty of money and sponsors in Canada, who couldn't get in. Should they be screaming "anglophobia!!!"?
That's not very accomodating of you!
We choose to be flexible, we don't have to be. Part of being flexible is the ability to bar anything or anyone that's here to bite us in the ass. That's just common sense.
And for the record, not just anybody can get in to Canada. I have family in England, well educated, employed, plenty of money and sponsors in Canada, who couldn't get in. Should they be screaming "anglophobia!!!"?
That's not very accomodating of you!
Your family is exactly the type of non-refugee immigrant we should be looking for.
One needs to deal with reality here......the influx of devout Muslims will change the entire character of your society. Now, of course, 99.99 percent of Muslim immigrants would be physically harmless..........decent people. BUT their religion, their culture is not one that meshes well with a secular society, not one that adapts easily to liberty for all, not one built on the foundation of choice..........
After all, Islam means "submission".
Should we allow our free secular society to be undermined in the name of political correctness?
This is what people don't understand when they consider the society of Israel and the Arab world.
Israel are us.
Islam is not.