Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[Ron in Regina]

An assault rifle would be defined as something that is on the list of assault rifles.

Not quite sure why this is even a sticking point, but then again I am not grasping at straws.

OK, first I'm going to qualify what I'm about to say by stating that I don't own a gun, have never owned a gun, and have no intention of ever owning a gun. I don't need one and I've no desire to own one. Someday that may change but that's where I'm at....


Going forward though, "An assault rifle would be defined as something that is on the list of assault rifles?" Really? Who makes the list and what is their agenda? That's a scary statement. Depending on who makes the list and what their agenda is, anything can be put on that list and it automatically becomes an assault rifle by your definition. What are you willing to give up once it's declared an assault rifle?

 

[Hoid]

What is a "sports car"?

Just as hard to define as an assault weapon. And yet somehow the insurance industry manages to make up a list of them to charge people extra for driving.

 

[MHz]

How about an extra penalty if an innocent is taken out. Falls under a slow moving tank tread on the way to the Station. Then the trial will be about if the dead one deserved it or not.

 

[Ron in Regina]

What is a "sports car"?

Just as hard to define as an assault weapon. And yet somehow the insurance industry manages to make up a list of them to charge people extra for driving.

What is a Sports Car? Does it mean the Insurance Industry is correct?

I'm a Grandfather. I drive what looks like a shitty 26yr old Dodge Dakota (with a 318cu.in. & a 727 with a shift kit so that if you put your foot into it in 1st it'll shift into 2nd at 5000rpm and and wheel spin, and into 3rd at 4800rpm like you where fired out of a cannon, with unbaffled bottles on old-school cool duel exhaust, etc...& strictly a rear wheel drive with no extra drivetrain to weigh it down) that the "Too Fast - Mildly Furious" crowd giggles at until we (my Girlfriend & I) just stuff them off the line while their turbo is still spooling up. I haul dirt & rocks with it and it's my daily commuter. The guy who owned it before me put in the shift kit and he hauled horses and a small 5th wheel RV with it. It's missing paint and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence with the word "sport" I'm assuming. I pay $52/month for my plates and insurance.

I've no idea how to define the term "sports car" & there's lots on the road that are eye candy compared to our little truck, but it's scary enough for us. I'm good with my $52/month.

 

[JamesBondo]

Really? I guess you will have to tell that to the thousands who have been shot by hunting rifles in moments of stupidity, insanity, or anger. Of course, you can't tell that to those who are dead.

aren't you the same person that was desparate to label knife murders as 'occasional misuse', yet knife related murders out number firearms murders in Canada.

 

[JLM]

What is a "sports car"?

Corvette...……………..where have you been?

 

[JamesBondo]

OK, first I'm going to qualify what I'm about to say by stating that I don't own a gun, have never owned a gun, and have no intention of ever owning a gun. I don't need one and I've no desire to own one. Someday that may change but that's where I'm at....


Going forward though, "An assault rifle would be defined as something that is on the list of assault rifles?" Really? Who makes the list and what is their agenda? That's a scary statement. Depending on who makes the list and what their agenda is, anything can be put on that list and it automatically becomes an assault rifle by your definition. What are you willing to give up once it's declared an assault rifle?

clearly, the 30-30 winchester lever action rifles were the original assault rifles. but they will get a pass these days

 

[Ron in Regina]

clearly, the 30-30 winchester lever action rifles were the original assault rifles. but they will get a pass these days

.....and small light weight vehicles with oversized motors stuffed into them might have be the beginning of the Hotrods, but nobody is going to confuse this with a sports car (whatever that is).

...and on that note, if someone wants assault weapons banned, they need to define them. What is an assault weapon?

An assault rifle would be defined as something that is on the list of assault rifles.

Not quite sure why this is even a sticking point, but then again I am not grasping at straws.

aren't you the same person that was desparate to label knife murders as 'occasional misuse', yet knife related murders out number firearms murders in Canada.

???

 

[Hoid]

Definition of assault rifle in English: Oxford Dictioanary

assault rifle
NOUN
A lightweight rifle developed from the sub-machine gun, which may be set to fire automatically or semi-automatically.

According to the NRA


Assault Rifle
By U.S. Army definition, a selective-fire rifle chambered for a cartridge of intermediate power. If applied to any semi-automatic firearm regardless of its cosmetic similarity to a true assault rifle, the term is incorrect.

https://www.nraila.org/for-the-press/glossary/

Beretta AR70/90 Assault Rifle | Military-Today.com

Military Today reviews the AR70/90 Assault Rifle

It doesn't seem to be a big problem. The term Assault Rifle can be defined however you decide to define it.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Definition of assault rifle in English: Oxford Dictioanary

assault rifle
NOUN
A lightweight rifle developed from the sub-machine gun, which may be set to fire automatically or semi-automatically.

According to the NRA


Assault Rifle
By U.S. Army definition, a selective-fire rifle chambered for a cartridge of intermediate power. If applied to any semi-automatic firearm regardless of its cosmetic similarity to a true assault rifle, the term is incorrect.

https://www.nraila.org/for-the-press/glossary/

OK, so with the first definition, the weapon has to be a 'selective fire' weapon to qualify. That rules out much of what is labeled assault rifles right now. The second definition also qualifies using the term 'selective fire' regardless of its appearance. That doesn't seem to be what is being labeled as assault weapons as I read through these debates.

 

[Hoid]

The point is that there are many ways to define these things.

We choose one and we go with it.

It isn't difficult.

 

[Ron in Regina]

The point is that there are many ways to define these things.

We choose one and we go with it.

It isn't difficult.

There are consequences though and it's most likely not the criminals that will be affected, but only those that abide by the swipe of a pen and the changing of the lists regardless of the reasoning or the agenda behind the change.

Let me give you an example of a parallel argument. Many moons ago I was the Safety Supervisor & Compliance Officier for an International Commercial Carrier. Cell Phones where dropping in price and becoming more common. The debate was being had that Cell Phones where a driver distraction and what should be done about this menace? I read many studies at the time of some of the crazy ideas that still might come into play at a later date (like placing your vehicle in gear creating a dead zone for Cellular Signals in or around your vehicle).

Several of the studies I'd read at that time dealt with the difference in the level of distraction between "hands free" vrs "hand held" devices pertaining to safety, and there was no difference what so ever!! With a swipe of the pen to curtail the deadly menace of Cell Phones while driving it become illegal in most jurisdictions to us a "hand held" device but "hands free" Bluetooth (the same level of distraction) was promoted as the safer option and is still perfectly legal in most jurisdictions to this day. Change just for the sake of change made for great optics but was really no change.

Do you feel safer? Are you any safer? Is it just optics by Gov'ts to make it look like they've done something when they've really done nothing? What about all the people without Bluetooth compatible Cellular phones at that point in time? Nothing pertaining to increasing safety occurred with banning hand held (but not hands free) cell phones while driving but a whole lot of Bluetooth Cellular Phones got sold quickly after that law changed. Where the folks without Bluetooth compatible phones compensated for making their phones illegal when driving (and thus needed to be replaced) with something of equal driver distraction and zero increase in safety?

 

[petros]

How about you provide a link to the last mass Warfarin murder. And rats don't count. And I didn't realize your rifle had a label on it that said "For killing food only."

An attempted homicide using d-CON rat poison.
McCurdy W. J Anal Toxicol. 1988 Jan-Feb.
Show full citation
Abstract
Two adult residents became ill after ingesting food and medication allegedly tainted with d-CON. Police later recovered a box of the poison from the household of the residents and immediately arrested their teenage daughters for attempted homicide. Samples of the food and medication were analyzed for Warfarin, the active ingredient of d-CON, using ultraviolet spectrometry, gas chromatography, and gas chromatography/mass spectrometry. Results confirmed the presence of Warfarin in both the food and medication.

PMID 3352244 [Indexed for MEDLINE]

Stalin was potentially poisoned with warfarin.

 

[Bar Sinister]

aren't you the same person that was desparate to label knife murders as 'occasional misuse', yet knife related murders out number firearms murders in Canada.

Are you sure?

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510006901


And then there is the USA.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

OK, first I'm going to qualify what I'm about to say by stating that I don't own a gun, have never owned a gun, and have no intention of ever owning a gun. I don't need one and I've no desire to own one. Someday that may change but that's where I'm at....


Going forward though, "An assault rifle would be defined as something that is on the list of assault rifles?" Really? Who makes the list and what is their agenda? That's a scary statement. Depending on who makes the list and what their agenda is, anything can be put on that list and it automatically becomes an assault rifle by your definition. What are you willing to give up once it's declared an assault rifle?

We actually have that in Maryland. There's the list of "enumerated weapons" (mostly 5.56mm AR-15 variants) the legislature has banned (by make and model), and the State Police, who have responsibility for enforcement, are allowed to ban "copycat weapons."

As a result, the good legislators of Maryland have protected their adoring constituents from me having this 5.56mm clip-fed semi-auto rifle taking 30- or 40-round magazines or 75-round drums:

but that's OK by me because I can and do have THESE 5.56mm clip-fed semi-auto rifles taking 30- or 40-round magazines or 75-round drums:

Do you feel safer yet?

I also have this clip-fed semi-automatic rifle in 7.62mm:

because the good legislators of Maryland were so intent on banning "the AR-15" that apparently nobody bothered to tell them that a 7.62x51mm, clip-fed semi-automatic rifle is every bit as rapid-firing, and far more powerful, than a 5.56x45mm clip-fed semi-automatic rifle.

So in the end, it's all good. The Maryland liberals feel all warm and smug now that they're protected, and I have my high-capacity guns.

Yay.

 

[Danbones]

As Land Confiscations Loom, South Africa Rules 300,000 Gun-Owners Turn Over Their Weapons

Gun Control: A Tool for Tyranny

No matter how socialist apologists rationalize it, the redistributionist agenda the South African government is pursuing will not be implemented passively. Ultimately, it must be carried out by force.

The kind of force socialists seek is a monopolized kind, which extreme forms of gun control like gun confiscation help facilitate.

The history of gun confiscation is one of repeated cases of tyranny.

From countries such as Cuba to the Soviet Union, aspiring demagogues have used gun confiscation to disarm the populace. Logically, an unarmed populace will put up little resistance against their tyrannical acts.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...frica-rules-300000-gun-owners-turn-over-their

We KNOW why you nazi commies want the guns.

 

[Hoid]

We want the guns in order to promote public safety.

 

[petros]

Guns aren't the problem. Users are.

 

[JLM]

Guns aren't the problem. Users are.

That's what I've been saying for years, Pete. Maybe the assholes will listen to you, they sure as Hell aren't listening to me!

 

[MHz]

Why not 'black-box' all firearms so the trigger being pulled stops a memory loop that has sound and video from both ends of the firearm" That can be read by the cops so they already know something when 'interviewing; the people involved. If you know you will be in jail if you pull the trigger that might stop some crimes. Might as well GPS them so they trigger sensors at traffic light and buildings.