Fraser Institute says H.S.T. will benefit low and middle income earners.

[Avro]

Especially when it sounds like a politician trying to do a snowjob like the one Avro posted and I replied to.

You can? Please explain. lol

That's all well a good but no one here has given any numbers on the ill effects of the HST in the Atlantic provinces.

You can assume all you want but given the facts it's a win win situation for employers and employees.

I have posted a few studies that say just that and so has Tonnington....your turn.

 

[Praxius]

Before you critique the article I posted perhaps you should actually read it.

Don't believe me though, someone who actually runs a buisness and charges the sales tax.:roll::lol:

Funny, for someone who claimed to run a Business, you'd think they'd be able to spell it.

I don't need to read beyond what you already supplied, considering what the HST does for businesses has very little to do with the subject header/topic of Low/Mid Income Earners, unless those businesses actually decide to pass on their trivial savings onto their customers, which through the last few years experience has taught me those businesses would rather keep their prices as they are and pocket the extra money they're getting back.

So in the end, the Low/Mid income earners are still the one's hit the worst with this stupid tax and my position remains the same.

 

[Avro]

Funny, for someone who claimed to run a Business, you'd think they'd be able to spell it.

I don't need to read beyond what you already supplied, considering what the HST does for businesses has very little to do with the subject header/topic of Low/Mid Income Earners, unless those businesses actually decide to pass on their trivial savings onto their customers, which through the last few years experience has taught me those businesses would rather keep their prices as they are and pocket the extra money they're getting back.

So in the end, the Low/Mid income earners are still the one's hit the worst with this stupid tax and my position remains the same.

I posted how it would benefit them as well.

I also posted how it benefited the Atlantic provinces and capital investment.

Tonnigton did as well.

You have no proof to the contrary just assumptions and a slight jab at a spelling error.:roll:

 

[Praxius]

The HST also led to an increase in capital investment in the Atlantic provinces.

Really?

And yet we're still labeled the welfare provinces of Canada, all us Maritimers are slack asses who don't want to work and nobody wants to send their businesses here to the point all the good-hard working workers have to head out west to work on those damn oil sands and are also the first to be laid off and shipped back to the Maritimes when they're no longer wanted.... back to where there's no work.

No work.... which is one of the primary reasons why I am moving in a few months, as I've hit the end of the road for how far my career will progress here and I have yet to reach anywhere near the promised salaries they told us in college/university for what I do..... when where I'm heading will start me off with double the pay I'm currently getting while doing nearly half the work I'm doing now.

Capital Investments in the Atlantic Provinces..... ha.... holy fok that made me laugh, cuz I don't know of anybody around here who's seen any of it to this day. The only investments I've seen around here are the ones coming from American companies our governments are selling out to them at dirt cheap cost to rape our resources at the expense of the local communities..... where most of these American companies bring in their own employees from outside of the mentioned communities because they'll work for cheaper, so local workers are still forced to head out west to work the crappy jobs nobody else out there wants to do.

Oh Lordy Lordy, the BST sure saved the Maritimes.... what would we have ever done without it? :roll:

What a friggin joke.

 

[Avro]

Really?

And yet we're still labeled the welfare provinces of Canada, all us Maritimers are slack asses who don't want to work and nobody wants to send their businesses here to the point all the good-hard working workers have to head out west to work on those damn oil sands and are also the first to be laid off and shipped back to the Maritimes when they're no longer wanted.... back to where there's no work..

I never said you were slack asses.

No work.... which is one of the primary reasons why I am moving in a few months, as I've hit the end of the road for how far my career will progress here and I have yet to reach anywhere near the promised salaries they told us in college/university for what I do..... when where I'm heading will start me off with double the pay I'm currently getting while doing nearly half the work I'm doing now.

No work is a problem everywhere in this economic climate....not the fault of the HST.

Capital Investments in the Atlantic Provinces..... ha.... holy fok that made me laugh, cuz I don't know of anybody around here who's seen any of it to this day. The only investments I've seen around here are the ones coming from American companies our governments are selling out to them at dirt cheap cost to rape our resources at the expense of the local communities..... where most of these American companies bring in their own employees from outside of the mentioned communities because they'll work for cheaper, so local workers are still forced to head out west to work the crappy jobs nobody else out there wants to do.

In fact per person investment went up 11%.

****....we just had an earthquake.... 8O

 

[Praxius]

I posted how it would benefit them as well.

I also posted how it benefited the Atlantic provinces and capital investment.

Tonnigton did as well.

You have no proof to the contrary just assumptions and a slight jab at a spelling error.:roll:

The proof is my own first hand experience living with the BST for over a decade, talking to those here who live here and lived with the BST and their responses towards the tax..... all you're doing is parroting biased reports you know nothing about and preaching about the Maritimes like you know wtf you're talking about, when you yourself haven't even lived in it, considering you're noted as living in Ontario.

Your posting on capital investment in the Maritimes is just a baseless opinion, no sources were provided and it was just you spouting off what you think is right.

Where is the magic land where HST works?
Where is the magic land where HST works? | Letters | Prince George Citizen

...... how about some specific examples of where this type of tax has proven itself an effective economic and job-creating tool?

Here in Canada, we have the HST in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick, the three perennially poorest provinces in the nation.

Newfoundland, even with the discovery of offshore oil, has the highest unemployment rate in the country, at 15 per cent – no jobs boom there.

Nova Scotia has no significant industry and a $9-billion budget deficit in a province of 900,000 people ($10,000 of overspending for every man, woman, and child in one year alone) – despite their terrific HST. No economic boom there. They are now raising it from 13 per cent to 15 per cent on July 1st to celebrate Canada Day, the same day that B.C. and Ontario get theirs – soon to be renamed “HST Day” in honour of the privilege of having one.

So, let’s try Europe, where the HST (called a Value Added Tax – VAT) is such a great economic booster that several governments there are teetering on the verge of collapse.

Greece is the most prominent example, but is by no means the exception. There, the VAT is 19 per cent and is applied to everything, including food and groceries.....

Majority in Ontario, B.C. think HST will be bad
Majority in Ontario, B.C. think HST will be bad

An overwhelming majority of people in Ontario and British Columbia oppose the HST, with most believing the biggest winners from the new tax will be the provincial and federal governments, according to results of the latest poll......

.....Eighty-two per cent of British Columbians and 74 per cent of Ontarians oppose the tax, according to the Ipsos Reid survey, commissioned by Canwest News Service and Global National.

Moreover, 56 per cent of B.C. respondents and 52 per cent of those in Ontario believe the HST will hurt their provincial economies.......

..... The poll suggests public antipathy toward the tax is well-entrenched. There was high awareness of the HST in both provinces, with 64 per cent of Ontarians and 72 per cent of British Columbians saying they know something or a great deal about the tax.

But when told that provincial HST legislation may include personal and corporate tax cuts, as well as rebates, the majority of respondents in both provinces replied that such sweeteners would have either no impact on their support for the tax, or would actually make them less likely to support it.

The same was true when respondents were told that Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Newfoundland have already implemented their own version of the HST.......

I really don't need to continually unload more and more available sources countering much of the claims on the oh-so great HST/BST, as there's plenty out there one can Google.

The simple fact remains that one would think people who have lived with the tax for so long, such as those who live here in the Maritimes, would see and know the benefits and the cons of the tax, just by living through it.

If I felt the tax actually improved anything around here, I would have said so and I would have said those against it are taking the topic and making it overblown...... but nothing changed around here, our provinces are pretty much in the exact same positions in the country as they always have been, workers are still flocking elsewhere besides the Maritimes because there's no work here in the first place, because there's very few investors, and despite some people's claims in here saying the general cost of everyday products went down, all I remember seeing is prices remaining the exact same as before, only now with a higher tax added on them, thus paying more.

So I have to laugh at people who try and tell me to my face that the BST/HST is such a wonderful thing and makes everybody's lives turn into this magical wonderland of opportunity and profit, because I sure as hell never seen this wonderland, I don't know anybody who has seen this wonderland, and I'd have to suspect these people are completely full of sh*t and have no idea wtf they're talking about.

 

[Avro]

The proof is my own first hand experience living with the BST for over a decade, talking to those here who live here and lived with the BST and their responses towards the tax..... all you're doing is parroting biased reports you know nothing about and preaching about the Maritimes like you know wtf you're talking about, when you yourself haven't even lived in it, considering you're noted as living in Ontario.

Your posting on capital investment in the Maritimes is just a baseless opinion, no sources were provided and it was just you spouting off what you think is right.

Where is the magic land where HST works?
Where is the magic land where HST works? | Letters | Prince George Citizen



Majority in Ontario, B.C. think HST will be bad
Majority in Ontario, B.C. think HST will be bad





I really don't need to continually unload more and more available sources countering much of the claims on the oh-so great HST/BST, as there's plenty out there one can Google.


The simple fact remains that one would think people who have lived with the tax for so long, such as those who live here in the Maritimes, would see and know the benefits and the cons of the tax, just by living through it.


If I felt the tax actually improved anything around here, I would have said so and I would have said those against it are taking the topic and making it overblown...... but nothing changed around here, our provinces are pretty much in the exact same positions in the country as they always have been, workers are still flocking elsewhere besides the Maritimes because there's no work here in the first place, because there's very few investors, and despite some people's claims in here saying the general cost of everyday products went down, all I remember seeing is prices remaining the exact same as before, only now with a higher tax added on them, thus paying more.


So I have to laugh at people who try and tell me to my face that the BST/HST is such a wonderful thing and makes everybody's lives turn into this magical wonderland of opportunity and profit, because I sure as hell never seen this wonderland, I don't know anybody who has seen this wonderland, and I'd have to suspect these people are completely full of sh*t and have no idea wtf they're talking about.

You have provided what people think, no facts.

None.

Just like the other boogey men, the GST and free trade, this will benefit us.

The only ones who really oppose this are the NDP....speaking of magic lands.:lol:

 

[AnnaG]

That's all well a good but no one here has given any numbers on the ill effects of the HST in the Atlantic provinces.

You can assume all you want but given the facts it's a win win situation for employers and employees.

I have posted a few studies that say just that and so has Tonnington....your turn.

And not so good for people that pay the extra taxes on all the extra things those taxes apply to. Which is what I said in the first place.
ooops Not everything is so rosy about the HST, I guess:

HST has pros and cons, local tax specialist says - Welland Tribune - Ontario, CA

Businesses get subsidies from grants to tax breaks. What do consumers get? A percentage off the occasional tax now and then. (like Harpy's drop in the GST, for instance).

Critical fact missing from HST coverage - Vancouver Sun Community of Interest

Pros and Cons of the BC HST Picture Your Meeting

HST Comes to BC John McLachlan

So will these taxes on extra items result in more consumer spending (read support for businesses)? I doubt it.

 

[TenPenny]

Yeah, yeah, whine snivel, I can't get a good job, life in the Maritimes sucks, yadda yadda yadda. So shut up and move away already. If all you're going to do is bitch that nobody pays you what you think you're worth, you should go where someone will.

 

[AnnaG]

How have consumers been spending in the maritimes?

CBC News - Nova Scotia - N.S. budget makes HST highest in Canada

download nsbj may 2010 - PDFCast.org

Ont., B.C. economies shrug off impact of HST, lead recovery: Conference Board - Yahoo! Canada Finance

And in BC:

Opinion: HST a double-cross to the public: Opposition

The Tyee – Wrong HST Question, Premier Campbell

Dawn Black Grills Liberals on the HST | Dawn Black, MLA New Westminster

 

[Tonington]

Oh Lordy Lordy, the BST sure saved the Maritimes.... what would we have ever done without it? :roll:

What a friggin joke.

Nobody said it saved the three Atlantic provinces that implemented the HST, but everyone who can count sees that our effective tax rate went down, capital investment went up, and the consumer price index dropped.

Without it, the taxes collected in Nova Scotia would have been higher, there would have been fewer capital investments, and prices would have been a little higher.

Not rocket science. It's just simple math.

 

[AnnaG]

So if busineses are getting lighter tax loads, and what consumers spend on total taxes is more than compensated for by tax reductions (like that's believable), how are the gov'ts compensating for the lack of all this tax money? How does it benefit by this rearrangement? Seems to me if I shuffle things around and spend a little less on clothing and a little more on food, I'm not gaining anything. More taxes on stuff that wasn't taxed before simply urges me to not buy the stuff.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Nobody said it saved the three Atlantic provinces that implemented the HST, but everyone who can count sees that our effective tax rate went down, capital investment went up, and the consumer price index dropped.

Without it, the taxes collected in Nova Scotia would have been higher, there would have been fewer capital investments, and prices would have been a little higher.

Not rocket science. It's just simple math.

I have a feeling that it is just a lot of hype surrounding harmonization, same as there was when GST was introduced. Well, introduction of GST didn’t do us any harm, I doubt if harmonization will do us any harm either. Life will go on as before. Some people just like to grumble.

 

[lone wolf]

Some people have more money than brains too....

 

[TenPenny]

How have consumers been spending in the maritimes?

CBC News - Nova Scotia - N.S. budget makes HST highest in Canada

translated, that reads,
'NS has NDP government'

 

[Tonington]

So if busineses are getting lighter tax loads, and what consumers spend on total taxes is more than compensated for by tax reductions (like that's believable), how are the gov'ts compensating for the lack of all this tax money? How does it benefit by this rearrangement? Seems to me if I shuffle things around and spend a little less on clothing and a little more on food, I'm not gaining anything. More taxes on stuff that wasn't taxed before simply urges me to not buy the stuff.

The purpose of an HST isn't to create tax revenue for the government -they're giving up revenue by reducing income and capital gains taxes at the same time; it's to eliminate a cascading tax that increases the cost of producing goods. The HST is a value added tax, and many jurisdictions in the world are moving towards this type of tax because it attracts investment. It's a shift in taxes that makes regions more competitive.

So, the government initially loses tax revenue, but gains shortly thereafter from the growth in the economy.

 

[Avro]

Ontario reduced income tax in January.

A lot of whine but no facts.

It's mostly an NDP led protest and people yelling "won't someone think of the children!"

The HST was to make said provinces more competetive and judging from the numbers we get after it was implemented in Atlantic
Canada it works given that investment increased 11% per person in the region.

Investment leads to jobs and just think if it hadn't been done.

Sometimes, when people are out of work, they should look in the mirror to find out who is to blame.

 

[Kreskin]

I never said you were slack asses.



No work is a problem everywhere in this economic climate....not the fault of the HST.



In fact per person investment went up 11%.

****....we just had an earthquake.... 8O

I think God is trying to tell you something about the HST.

 

[Avro]

I think God is trying to tell you something about the HST.

God?

Perhaps Santa and the Easter bunny will leave me coal as well.

 

[Kreskin]

God?

Perhaps Santa and the Easter bunny will leave me coal as well.

My stats show they help the economy so they must be real.