First Nations Treaties

DurkaDurka

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I think we should give natives exclusive rights to operate and build casinos in exchange for nullification of all treaties and benefits received from the government.
 

CDNBear

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and I've already covered what I think of those "treaties". Retaining soveriegnty was a mistake to offer, and needs to be rectified if Canada is to continue as a strong cohesive Country.
When you run low on cash, can you just arbitrarily tell your mortgage company to lower your rates?

The "Six Nations" haven't been a "nation" for decades, and was at best a loose coalition that the French and English quickley proved could be split when the chips were down.
Wrong again, they broke off one small faction of Mohawk. The Nations stand united to this day.

The MWS are nothing but thugs. Canada made a mistake at OKA. What should have been done is the regular forces sent in with the sole purpose of taking out and eliminating the MWS for once and for all. The people of Canada should ensure that if the same situation was to rear it's ugly head again, that our polititions know that we support the use of force to ensure a final solution.
Final solution?



Ya vole mien fuhrer.

All I can say is bring it. I'm willing to join in. I will fight to maintain my right to sovereignty. So long the battle righteous, I'll be the fat one in war paint, sportin' the crossbow and the C7.

BTW: You mock the MWS all you want, you and I are both aware that its day came and went. Any group that would take my brothers, isn't all that wise, nor intelligent. But you want to see a resugence, an influx of recruitment and volunteers? Push us hard, break your words with us.

I'll bet we even get US support in southern Kebec.
 

Machjo

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Then it is time to change that.

How? By defition, a contract can be legally changed only by mutual consent. Without mutual consent, all parties are stuck to the original contract whether they like it or not. So if they disagree with changing the original treaty, what do we do? Do we renege on our agreement? Is this the kind of country we are? Is this how we handle contracts, on a whim?
 

Machjo

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I think we should give natives exclusive rights to operate and build casinos in exchange for nullification of all treaties and benefits received from the government.

Er, casinos can hurt people too. Have you never heard of gambling addiction? Two wrongs don't make a right.
 

CDNBear

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Er, casinos can hurt people too. Have you never heard of gambling addiction? Two wrongs don't make a right.

I think we should give natives exclusive rights to operate and build casinos in exchange for nullification of all treaties and benefits received from the government.
I don't buy what Machjo said, but that in a nut shell, is why your idea will hit one big road block...bleeding heart nanny staters.
 

CDNBear

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Oh, I'm sorry. Let's just legalize everything then?
Gambling is legal in most of Canada Machjo.

Regardless, unlike you, I believe people should be held accountable for their own actions. Nannystaters like yourself believe that the state should be responsible for people from cradle to grave. A different topic altogether.
 

Machjo

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Gambling is legal in most of Canada Machjo.

Regardless, unlike you, I believe people should be held accountable for their own actions. Nannystaters like yourself believe that the state should be responsible for people from cradle to grave. A different topic altogether.

So what should we criminalize, and what not? What about opium? Legalize it and let people be?
 

Machjo

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I know gambling is legal across most of Canada. Heck, even the government is involved in it (Lotto 649). And guess who buys those lotto tickets usually. It's not the rich guy, but rather the poor sucker just getting suckered in yet again by his very own government that's supposed to be protecting his interests by giving him the false hope of winning the lottery as his ticket out of hell. How just is that?

So if a saleman goes out to try to con some poor old lady with minimal education,that's OK, buyer beware, it's her fault and she should ahve known better and it's not up to the government to prohibit at least those harmful activities that it can reasonably control to some degree? If a child is born to a poor home, he doesn't deserve to learn to read and write? Let him fend for himself? Har far do we go in getting rid of the nanny state?
 

Cliffy

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Unlike the rest of Canada, BC has not negotiated treaties with most of the aboriginal peoples and our government is now in the process of looking like they are trying to settle land issues while in fact sabotaging the process. Meanwhile, one of the oldest nations, the Sinixt were arbitrarily deemed extinct by an Order in Council of the Canadian Cabinet in 1956 while they were still alive. More than 1000 descendants still live in Canada and about 400 in the US but the Canadian and BC governments still refuse to acknowledge that a mistake was made in 1956, conveniently at the beginning of the Columbia River Treaty negotiations with the US.

This is a classic example of how BC treated its aboriginal people, they ignored their human rights and didn't feel it was necessary to negotiate treaties with "savages". They lied about land settlement issues when allowed into confederation and therebye should be declaired a seperate state until they fulfil their obligations to the law and to their aboriginal peoples. BC is in confederation illegaly.

And that they are allowed to continue to ignore one of the oldest nations to have occupied this province, if not most of Canada, is cultural genocide at its worst. I'm really surprised that the other aboriginal peoples of Canada have not picked up the banner in support of these people to have Canada and BC to rescind the Sinixt' extinct status and recognize them for their cultural contribution to Canada's history.
 

Cliffy

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My my Cliffy. You talk like we colonized someone else's land.
Oh Heaven forbid! They were heathen after all, not christian and therefore not human. It was declared so by several Papal Bulls in the 1400s. and the pope is infallible after all, just ask Coldstream. So no, no one occupied this land before us, at least no one human.:angryfire:

For those unfamiliar with this nation, this is for your edification: First Nations - Sinixt
 

Machjo

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Oh Heaven forbid! They were heathen after all, not christian and therefore not human. It was declared so by several Papal Bulls in the 1400s. and the pope is infallible after all, just ask Coldstream. So no, no one occupied this land before us, at least no one human.:angryfire:

For those unfamiliar with this nation, this is for your edification: First Nations - Sinixt

Exactly Cliffy. And then they have the nerve to ask that we treat them like humans, as equals. The gall of these savages!:roll:
 

Machjo

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use it or lose it.

I fully agree. Ya know, we should keep a close eye on the Brazilian rainforest. If we find some unguarded lands there, the Canadian military should move in and claim it. Hey, if Brazil ain't exploiting those resources, we sure can.
 

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How unfortunate.... but....I would say that Canadians as a whole are geting sick and tired of tthe constant whining and just might be ready to say enough is enough and do what is nessasary to put a stop to it.

I don't agree with all the details here, but the general thrust, yes. In the old days we had segregation and denied rights for women. blacks, and Indians. Now the world is into giving people rights and giving Indians rights as everyday Cdns is what most people agree with.

Only a few well paid elitists on the white and Indian side understand the business of treaties. The rest are poor Indians who can't get decent housing or education, and the rest are white Cdns who don't care about Indians at all because they don't have to. With their corrupt backward traditional leadership, Indians will never progress unless they become Cdns.
 

AnnaG

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With such a patchwork of treaties to wade through and attempt to renegotiate, I have no doubt that it would take decades to conclude. I’m not sure that it would be possible for The Crown to revoke, on its own, the treaties that it had signed with Aboriginal groups; the notwithstanding clause does not apply to s. 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982 (the section that guarantees the continued respect of treaties by the Government).
I'd hate to be the politician who tried to squelch the treaties. Their own party would probably shoot them. lol
 

AnnaG

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How unfortunate.... but....I would say that Canadians as a whole are geting sick and tired of tthe constant whining and just might be ready to say enough is enough and do what is nessasary to put a stop to it.
The courts and the gov't are putting a stop to them. They are dealing with the treaties, which is something that civilised people do. Get used to it, we don't live in Medieval Europe, you know. lmao