Christmas tree banned from courthouse lobby

[northstar]

LOL-- you go girl!!!!

in my opinion if those moslems dont like our christian symbols and christmas stuff they can just pack up their stuff and march on back to arab land or lebinon or wherever they come from.

mapleleaf girl

I also checked out the little Judical handbook that l happen to have on hand and it seems that even the Judges have rules about how the outside activities of the courthouse must be in keeping with the responsibilities of their post...therefore this Judge should move it and make her public apology and the tree should forthwith be put in a prominant place where people can enjoy it.

This Judge has not only broken the rules of Judical conduct, that came with the very generous position in which she was to serve the public interest, she has broken the law, as in our Constitutionsl rights of freedom. This is discrimination!!!

and apart from the fact that she has broken the law she is a poor role model and does not deserve the privilege that comes with her position.

This is a tradition of our country, just as surely as hockey and snowballs are, and visitors expect iceskating, skiing, and huge christmas trees with plenty of twinking lights and decoration. This is a deplorable action that wreeks of discrimination.

She should be de-benched...and before Sanata arrives....

 

[northstar]

The thing I love about forums is that they make you take a position and then back it up...and here l found myslef agreeing with one person, then agreeing with another, then changing my mind, and finally l decided to find out some stuff...

First l agree with Gopher for once, it isn't a part of the BIble...no research required on that one. It isn't the teachings of Yahshau {Jesus} at all...

Then again Yahshau didn't want Christians to celebrate his birth, he asked them to celebrate his death and ressurection.

The situation at the Church l can understand and agree with Sanctum, because people are like that.

So the reason of why this is takes me back to the bible and the history of what we were suppose to do, and surprise, this ain't it.

The bible is not a book to be read separate from faith as one poster self-righteously proclaimed, it is divinely inspired by God and if you read it it is prophetic and proves that it is the work of God rather than man.

Christmas is in fact not the date of Yahshau's birth, it is believed to be, by calculation, in September. This date actually coincides with a pagean celebration, as l mentioned before, winter solice. And the greenery is about God's and deities, not Christ.

Even the giving, that is done at Christmas, and all the 'traditions' and the tree and the warm hearts...it is more of a pagean celebration and has nothing to do with Yahshau because the teachings are about this being the everyday spiritual path not just once a year.

The gift giving is brought on by man, the date is pagean, and the tree is pagean. This is a cultural celebration. Which brings me back to the point l made earlier, about the Judical code of Ethics, the Civil Servant code of Ethics, and the CONSTITUTION and the U.N. Human Rights Resolution.

The Judge had no right to forbid the tree, it simply was not the Judges right to impose a belief and to take away a tradition that is embedded in our culture. Maybe it shouldn't even be in this public space, however once it was in place, paid for by tax dollars, she had no right to remove it. This isn't an opinion this is the law.

 

[Kreskin]

Where I work we use a simple principle. Since all of us celebrate Christmas we put up Christmas symbols. If anyone using the facility has a problem with that and are of a different faith etc they are welcome to bring in their own and we'll gladly display it/them.

 

[L Gilbert]

The PC agenda reminds me very much of an Orwellian "1984" situation, where big Brother corrects our speech and thinking to accomodate the "correct" view.

A few years ago, in the city I live in, I was invited to open a session of our city council with prayers. This is common in this city, where various clergy go onto a roster to take turns opening council sessions in prayer.

When I turned up at city hall, some officious fellow met me and handed me a sheet of paper which he asked me to read and abide by. He was very polite, but rather annoying.
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As I left the podium, this officious jerk came up to me, extremely p++sed.

"Hey Father," he said, "didn't you understand that you shouldn't have said that kind of prayer in the council chambers."

My reply, "Next time you don't want Christian references in a prayer, I suggest you don't ask a priest to lead those prayers."

Needless to say, but I have not been invited back

LOL Good for you, Sanc. Father Henry here is pretty much of the same mind as you. You aren't Irish, too, by any chance?

 

[L Gilbert]

Anyway, it all boils down to certain peoples' wish to have influence over others. They should mind their own biz and let others live (or celebrate) as they see fit.

 

[ottawabill]

Anyway, it all boils down to certain peoples' wish to have influence over others. They should mind their own biz and let others live (or celebrate) as they see fit.

TOTALLY AGREE!!

Except if you say the Gov. should stay out of it then you are told you are being American with their rugged individualism...Funny how it's always portrayed as all or nuth'n. Either you want the government all over you and your affairs in a total social system or you must have "fend fer yer self" and take up arms republicanism.....

I don't need Judges/government/ whomever telling me which one of my traditional cultural behaviors are correct and which ones are offensive..truley I find these people offensive...but on the other hand that doesn't mean I want no social programs...credit card health care or to tell strret people to move along...there are happy mediums..are there not?

 

[northstar]

I agree Ottawa!:wave:

 

[L Gilbert]

Yep.

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

Anyway, it all boils down to certain peoples' wish to have influence over others. They should mind their own biz and let others live (or celebrate) as they see fit.

Isn't that the whole point? Why should christians be allowed to influence others by openly displaying their totems and symbols in public places? Do our courthouses display Tet and Ramadan symbols? Sure in your home and on your property go right ahead and promote christianity. Is "Happy Holidays" and "Seasons Greetings" so hard to swallow? Are you so confident, or insecure, that yours is the best and only way to live that you feel others beliefs should be marginalized and pushed in to the background? Do you really feel that this is a christian english speaking white country and all others either accept it or leave?

 

[L Gilbert]

Isn't that the whole point? Why should christians be allowed to influence others by openly displaying their totems and symbols in public places? Do our courthouses display Tet and Ramadan symbols? Sure in your home and on your property go right ahead and promote christianity. Is "Happy Holidays" and "Seasons Greetings" so hard to swallow? Are you so confident, or insecure, that yours is the best and only way to live that you feel others beliefs should be marginalized and pushed in to the background? Do you really feel that this is a christian english speaking white country and all others either accept it or leave?

????? Why are you asking me questions to which I've already provided an answer (which, BTW, was basically "live and let live")?

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

My point is that religion has absolutely no place in goverment or public buildings. Christmas is a christian religious holiday. Why do you think it is called Christ Mass? Admittedly commercialism has watered down the meaning of modern era Christmas, but the point is Christmas is a religious holiday and not everyone celebrates it or wishes it shoved down their throats. Go ahead celebrate your culture just don't expect it to be be public policy. Or would you feel more secure in a theocratic country. Would you like to have priest running the country and telling you how to live your life? This is what the islamofacist are trying to do. Do you feel the Pope should be the head of state in Canada, or the Arch-bishop of Cantebury? Or is this just My Way or the Highway? What gives you the right to put up your religious symbols and complain when others try to have them removed from public places. How annoyed do you get when the Jehovah's Witnesses come to your door and prostelize to you at 9am on a Saturday morning. They don't see anything wrong in what they do either. When you try to put up your religious symbols in public places you are as annoying and self righteous as the Joho's. Do you want to be lumped in with them? Say the word and you can be labelled an annoying religious nutbar who thinks that he is saving his neighbour by pushing his beliefs on others wether they like it or not.

 

[Kreskin]

My point is that religion has absolutely no place in goverment or public buildings. Christmas is a christian religious holiday. Why do you think it is called Christ Mass? Admittedly commercialism has watered down the meaning of modern era Christmas, but the point is Christmas is a religious holiday and not everyone celebrates it or wishes it shoved down their throats. Go ahead celebrate your culture just don't expect it to be be public policy. Or would you feel more secure in a theocratic country. Would you like to have priest running the country and telling you how to live your life? This is what the islamofacist are trying to do. Do you feel the Pope should be the head of state in Canada, or the Arch-bishop of Cantebury? Or is this just My Way or the Highway? What gives you the right to put up your religious symbols and complain when others try to have them removed from public places. How annoyed do you get when the Jehovah's Witnesses come to your door and prostelize to you at 9am on a Saturday morning. They don't see anything wrong in what they do either. When you try to put up your religious symbols in public places you are as annoying and self righteous as the Joho's. Do you want to be lumped in with them? Say the word and you can be labelled an annoying religious nutbar who thinks that he is saving his neighbour by pushing his beliefs on others wether they like it or not.

Aside from that it's ok?

Why not just allow other religious followers to bring in their own junk too.

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

That would work. That would actually be nice to see.

 

[L Gilbert]

My point is that religion has absolutely no place in goverment or public buildings. Christmas is a christian religious holiday. Why do you think it is called Christ Mass? Admittedly commercialism has watered down the meaning of modern era Christmas, but the point is Christmas is a religious holiday and not everyone celebrates it or wishes it shoved down their throats. Go ahead celebrate your culture just don't expect it to be be public policy. Or would you feel more secure in a theocratic country. Would you like to have priest running the country and telling you how to live your life? This is what the islamofacist are trying to do. Do you feel the Pope should be the head of state in Canada, or the Arch-bishop of Cantebury? Or is this just My Way or the Highway? What gives you the right to put up your religious symbols and complain when others try to have them removed from public places. How annoyed do you get when the Jehovah's Witnesses come to your door and prostelize to you at 9am on a Saturday morning. They don't see anything wrong in what they do either. When you try to put up your religious symbols in public places you are as annoying and self righteous as the Joho's. Do you want to be lumped in with them? Say the word and you can be labelled an annoying religious nutbar who thinks that he is saving his neighbour by pushing his beliefs on others wether they like it or not.

I celebrate christmas and I'm an atheist. If the rest of my family wanted to celebrate Kwanzaa or Eid'ul-Adha, then I would, too.
Simply displaying religious artifacts or celebratory materials is nothing to be offended about. Churches and cathedrals all have crosses all over the place, there are Stars of David displayed here and there, as well as the crescent moon and star of the Islamic faith. Would a Rabbi have to remove his Star of David just because he entered a courthouse? Or a Catholic priest remove his cross? People should bloody well grow up and quit being so offended by such trivial matters as seeing something somewhere.

 

[northstar]

Rom, don't get your nickers in a knot you can have a christmas tree too...and Yahshau loves you ....:wave: