:idea: :idea: hey I bet I know why uzekistan is not mentioned along with the usual suspects like Iran, Burma, Cuba .....bet its got something to do with a US military base that offers easy access to Afghanistan. After all what is 10,000 political prisoners in the scheme of greenbacks...kinda reminds you of Iraq eh??? fecking hypocrites!
Chavez ... Human Rights Violator ... and Liar
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RE: Chavez ... Human Righ
Uzbekistan is destined to become the next Iraq, and Islam Karimov the next Saddam Hussein, Peapod.
Uzbekistan is destined to become the next Iraq, and Islam Karimov the next Saddam Hussein, Peapod.
In other words, they do but they do not make the statement directly.
Can you refute what I posted, Said? Are willing to try to make a cogent argument detailing how a religious organisation that has been tied to political shenanigans and the promotion of foreign mineral and oil interests does not act to destabilise governments they find unfriendly in the countries in which they operate?
Can you refute what I posted, Said? Are willing to try to make a cogent argument detailing how a religious organisation that has been tied to political shenanigans and the promotion of foreign mineral and oil interests does not act to destabilise governments they find unfriendly in the countries in which they operate?
Wow! thats a nice side step, so ehm...its okay for you than...I mean really talk about chavez, and lick the ass of the leader of Uzbekistan. I tell ya the hypocrites, you gotta marvel at their mental illness.
RE: Chavez ... Human Righ
She doesn't have an argument, Juan, that's the point. Kind of like when she quoted my whole post, then quibbled because the links I provided didn't provide a direct answer to a single line of that post, which she referenced later.
It was attempt to substitute pedantry for substance.
She doesn't have an argument, Juan, that's the point. Kind of like when she quoted my whole post, then quibbled because the links I provided didn't provide a direct answer to a single line of that post, which she referenced later.
It was attempt to substitute pedantry for substance.
Reverend Blair said:
You seem to be under the misguided assumption that I'm arguing, I am not. I wanted to see something that illustrated what you are saying.
On the other hand, if I were you and my position was based soely on assumption and inference, I would put it another way....."these groups have most likely been protected by corrupt leaders due to their ties to outside industry, which resulted in direct benefits TO previous leaders of say.....Venezuela" What we are seeing now is a scramble to pretect interests - which is probably closest to the truth..
Just as an aside ( and I'm not familiar with the topography of these regions) it would appear Chavez has plans for farming and plantations to be run by the indigenous people he gave land title back too. I hope we don't see another Rondonia.
#juan said:
What are talking about? Another misguided soldier with nothing to offer either.
Anyway, I'm not arguing anything, I asked a few questions instead of reading what appeared to be 10 pages of very boring material. I made one joke. Big whoop.
RE: Chavez ... Human Righ
So you asked for links because you didn't want to read them? I'd better go get a coffee then, because I want a beer.
So you asked for links because you didn't want to read them? I'd better go get a coffee then, because I want a beer.
Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Righ
Not 10 pages of unrelated material, no. Do you?
Reverend Blair said:
Not 10 pages of unrelated material, no. Do you?
RE: Chavez ... Human Righ
I often do sift through several pages of supposedly unrelated material. It's funny how often something extremely relevant is hidden in there.
I decided I wanted a coffee after all, so it's a good thing I opened this beer.
I often do sift through several pages of supposedly unrelated material. It's funny how often something extremely relevant is hidden in there.
I decided I wanted a coffee after all, so it's a good thing I opened this beer.
Nascar_James said:
K - its not true!!!
He is basing that on the rantings of some religious organisation that has been "tied to political shenanigans and the promotion of foreign mineral and oil interests" [who] act to destabilise governments they find unfriendly in the countries in which they operate. {As has been said, worth repeating.
Said1 said -
"as an aside it would appear Chavez has plans for farming and plantations to be run by the indigenous people he gave land title back too. I hope we don't see another Rondonia. "
Hey, its just a distraction to stick that in there isn't it? You do the work of the Elites without knowing it - just use their tactics and things go downhill from there.
Distraction is a favorite tactic of the Reptile Elites, here it is a distraction from the question
" Is Chavez benevolent or not? ".
Nothing he has done so far would suggest otherwise.
He has been good for the people, he is reforming, and sure, he is taking it to the Americans, and thats is THE ONLY PLACE CRITICS ARE COMING FROM. And USA media is only reporting the opposition and not the good stuff - so it is the USA who is looking like the bad guys here.
and we get baited into "whats Rondonia?" or accused of not reading his side of the issue. Ok, whats Rondonia?
peapod said:
that would be part of it. They.....*US-ERS* (how fitting) now really believe they can do whatever they want on this planet, and to whom they want. In their sick minds they already rule the earth...and the universe for that matter. Killing (warring) to get what they want is just in a days work. (particularly if someone stands up to them)
It might be an idea for the USERS to look at themselves and see what the rest of the world sees......... Human rights violators........, torturers,warmongers, killers, assassins, theives, con men , neglecting the poor and disadvantaged, and the biggest fecking liers on this planet. But they turn to their self righteous (religious) card when they are being called on their conduct........as if their "religion" can mask who they really are. When in reality the only "god" they worship is MONEY ,POWER , and CONTROL. Those are their "trinity"...
Karlin said:
Not true Karlin. Jose Kayupare and Domingo Gonzalez, spokesmen for the native people of Venezuela have publically denounced Chavez for abanonment and mistreatment. Who is Chavez to lie on behalf of the native people?
Jose Kayupare has said that the majority of indigenous people in Amazonas, Venezuala do not support Chavez's actions.
The most credible evidence of abuse or mistreatment comes from those who are directly affected as is the case here.
Looks like Chavez continues with the mistreatment of his own citizens ... nothing new there ...
Karlin said:
What tactics....what work?
Anyway, Rondonia was part of a "rural developoment" plan to rid Rio de Jenaro (sp??) of it's slum dwellers. They were given land in the jungle for farming and ranching, which of course failed, and in turn created rural slums. I'm sure you can imagine the negative effects this had on the native people living in the area.
As I have already stated, I''m not familiar with the topogrpahy of the areas where land titles were returned to certain indigenous peoples. Farming and banana plantaions may be a profitable venture for the native people, it may not be, I don't really know at this point......that's why I said I "hope" it's not another Rondonia.
"But Chavez isn't draining his slums, he's giving the natives tractors!" you say.
I know, I'm hoping that switching from traditional agriculture methods that have maintained the areas natural ecosystems for long periods of time will not have the same results as it did in Brazil.
The Balanese government did something similar with rice production, replacing traditional methods based on Hindu water temple systems. The outcome was terrible and they wound up returning to tradtional methods of rice cultivation. New production methods were not sustainable in the long run.
I know it's off topic, that's why I added it as an aside.....kay?
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