Ron, you and I are great minds...
With under 10 posts can I reserve that same judgement on Polygong for now ?
Can Ignatieff distance himself from his past?
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Ron, you and I are great minds...
With under 10 posts can I reserve that same judgement on Polygong for now ?
Iggy is a smart guy who has time on his side. I don't mind the PCs in power for another year or so, which gives Iggy time to adjust. Attacking Iggy isn't working.
I'm having some trouble figuring out why Ignatieff would *need* to distance himself from his past. It's been a very eclectic, diverse, and intellectually interesting past, he's very likely to have a useful and interesting perspective on the international scene and Canada's role in it, and he's been a public intellectual for most of his adult life. He's well informed about the world, he's obviously pretty bright, thoughtful, and articulate... Isn't that what we should want in a national leader?
Fair enough, I'm new here. I will dazzle you all eventually. :smile:
I don't mind the PCs either, but they don't exist anymore, ever since Judas Mackay sold them to the Reform party.
Copy - it's semantics. That's the Conservatives game plan since day 1 in office.
Both require the support of "separatists." Now, personally, I see nothing wrong with that - it's the way our system of government works. What I do find annoying is the huge stink that Harper put up in December decrying "working with separatist," and then he "flips" when it suits his purpose.
To me the issue is consistency, both in the politicians and us who pass judgement on them. If people are willing to question Harper over his past musings/writings then why shouldn't Ignatieff be held to the same standard. The same is true for accepting that a person can evolve and change their beliefs. Objectively Ignatieff's political views have altered more radically in some respects than Harper's to align some of his published works and views with the Liberals. IMO he represents a correction back towards the center for a party that was steadily progressing to the left and it remains to be seen how the Liberal party accepts that abrupt change in direction after Chretien, Martin and Dion.
Wulfie, the difference I believe is that Ignatieff never denied or tried to hide any of his statements and stood by them. Yes he may have said some had different meaning or context but in his explanation he never said he did not say those words..
Canada has been run by global international minds forever .What's different.At least he's willing to admit he's proudly Canadian..He would be good speaking for Canada on international issues....Wasn't Brian mulroney American?..What's he doin Back in Canada..lol?
For me, whether or not a politician changes their position is not so much important and the basis for the initial position and the basis for the change, e.g. is there new information now that was not known when the initial policy was made?
One may not agree with someone's opinion, but they can at least respect a position that is supported by good arguments.
One may not agree with someone's opinion, but they can at least respect a position that is supported by good arguments.
True, they are now Reformers who have a small time leader in Harper. But even these kind of people should get a chance to govern in a democracy. These people need to be exposed so we can find out who they are. They have some good ideas, like being obsessed with efficiency in gov't, but there is much more to governing well. People like Harper have a view of the world that barely entends beyond the USA. A huge deficiency in this day and age. Especially when it is a Bush related crowd.They are conservatives in a party that's a very small tent these days, and not really that progressive. Iggy is no Dion, he is articulate in English and that saves him. Iggy was a professor like Dion but is not professorial, Iggy like debate, Dion has no idea what the word means. Dion was a great prof I'm sure.
About the old PC's. They still exist, but they are now divided. Some of them joined with the Canadian Alliance to form the new Conservative Party. The rest formed the Progressive Canadian Party, which considers itself the continuation of the old PC Party, but they had to change their name legally since the courts recognized the brand as belonging to the new Conservative Party owing to official amalgamation of the two parties.
Any idea what they have changed their name to? Wondering how much of an uphill battle it will be for them to grow into a contending party, I think they would be much more in line with the sentiments of Canadians than are the CPC.
Generally, Canadians prefer moderate parties. That's why the NDP has never won nationally and that's why Reform couldn't win without absorbing the reputation of the PCs to give themselves the illusion that they are moderates.
Generally, Canadians prefer moderate parties. That's why the NDP has never won nationally and that's why Reform couldn't win without absorbing the reputation of the PCs to give themselves the illusion that they are moderates.
Personally I lean somewhat towards the Libertarian Party myself, but I do find its policies to not be sufficiently laid out. I must also say that I'd be worried about them being too extreme if they were to form a majority government. However, I could see a use for them as a balance of power party. Or better yet, fill Parliament with independent candidates.
I have tend to go with the Independents in my riding only because most of the Parties cater to the Minority votes.. Of course it depends on the Independents views but most of them have been generally Centre Right so that suits me fine.. As long as they have a Balanced attitude to politics and I feel they have the ridings and Canada / Province best interest at heart they fit my criteria..
At the end of the day the Canadian Conservative report card lead by Harper the one man minority show, will be adding the hateful wasted money on ads that offer very little to the Canadian voters.
In fact it is on history every political party who paid more attention on negative ads against the opposition was because the present governing party every single time had nothing to offer the people and instead took the liberty up on them self’s to tell the voters that they are the best thing since the beginning of time.
Good examples, the Kim Campbell Conservatives some 15 year ego were decimated because of Mulroney, and because Kim Campbell allowed ads to be view on television knocking Jean Chrétien’s face because of his birth deformity when in fact she had nothing to offer the people.
Now Harper is not in safe ground with his $100 Billion OPERATING DEFECITE FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS, and we all know that this is a Global problem the ECONOMY, but here we are talking about a Minority PM who immediately after the election he declared war on the opposition by threatening THEIR FINACIAL SERVIVAL LINE, and BY SHUTTING DOWN PARLIAMENT AT A VERY CRUCIAL TIME WHILE HIDING BIHIND THE GG SKIRT. Instead of offering ideas on how Canada can grow in bad economic times, he is engaging in stupid vindictive mental games out to brain wash the ignorant,
And the newest example of negative ads during election time, the NDP in BC TOOK A BEATTING 2 elections in a row because their small little idea of making the economy work, doesn’t work, and the NDP ads made Gordon Campbell look like a monster.
Harper will soon be out the door with his Federal Conservatives.
CTV.ca | Conservative ads go personal on Ignatieff
In fact it is on history every political party who paid more attention on negative ads against the opposition was because the present governing party every single time had nothing to offer the people and instead took the liberty up on them self’s to tell the voters that they are the best thing since the beginning of time.
Good examples, the Kim Campbell Conservatives some 15 year ego were decimated because of Mulroney, and because Kim Campbell allowed ads to be view on television knocking Jean Chrétien’s face because of his birth deformity when in fact she had nothing to offer the people.
Now Harper is not in safe ground with his $100 Billion OPERATING DEFECITE FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS, and we all know that this is a Global problem the ECONOMY, but here we are talking about a Minority PM who immediately after the election he declared war on the opposition by threatening THEIR FINACIAL SERVIVAL LINE, and BY SHUTTING DOWN PARLIAMENT AT A VERY CRUCIAL TIME WHILE HIDING BIHIND THE GG SKIRT. Instead of offering ideas on how Canada can grow in bad economic times, he is engaging in stupid vindictive mental games out to brain wash the ignorant,
And the newest example of negative ads during election time, the NDP in BC TOOK A BEATTING 2 elections in a row because their small little idea of making the economy work, doesn’t work, and the NDP ads made Gordon Campbell look like a monster.
Harper will soon be out the door with his Federal Conservatives.
CTV.ca | Conservative ads go personal on Ignatieff
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No. They were decimated because Kim was misquoted and people assumed she said that elections were not the time to discuss issues. She never recovered.