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The bit of snooping around I did said that the Iroquois engine upgrade, lighter and more efficient than the original Pratt & Whitneys, was to have brought the per unit price tag down to around eight million dollars a pop.
The Voodoo was a vehicle to carry the nuclear Genie air-to-air missile. I don't think that he designers of the Arrow were looking at it as a mere launch stage for nukes. That weapons system made the "fighter" role of obsolete. The aircraft had to have a long range, high ceiling, "all weather" capability and reasonable supersonic speed. Manoeverability was no longer relevant.
By the way, one aircraft of that era that was very much like the Arrow was the SAAB Drakken. It almost looks like a crib of the Arrow. The Swede criteria for fighter aircraft are little different from ours I would think as Canada's aerial battlefields are a few hours to the north and Sweden's are a few minutes to the east.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_35_Draken
Check this out... 1950's vintage delta wing Saabs doing the "Cobra" manoever like a Sukhoi. I'll bet that the Arrow could have done that. It's almost he same damned aircraft:
http://theaviationist.com/2012/04/12/cobra-draken/
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Timing was not in the Arrow's favour either. The advent of long range missiles in that day and age made the role of an interceptor questionable. It was the Canadian government's position that the next big war would be fought with ICBMs and foot soldiers. (It has also been said that the Canadian Air Force simply did not have the funding to be able to afford the Arrow, and that this was a potential source of international embarrassment.)
Well, it would have been a means of subsidizing sectors of our economy. That, however is a controversial thing to do in this country. (Notice how difficult it is, now, to get a home-made warship built) The Americans spend ridiculous sums on all sorts of weapons systems and, for the most part, the process seems to have increased their wealth as a nation. I suspect that some of that has been at work in Britain and France, as well.
Some interesting parallels between the Arrow project and the ongoing Bombardier saga when it comes to finally pulling the pin on such a huge undertaking. I think it was Joss Whedon talking about his love for the ill-fated "Firefly" series who said something to the tune of "You have to know when mouth-to-mouth stops being life support and becomes necrophilia."
In the end, I believe that the government just couldn't afford it. Part of the R&D was to improve target detection and wpns launch systems. The new engine had several improvements as well. I think that for security purposes, the plant got shut down and things packed up to stop prying eyes from getting a hold of it.
There's no reason to cut up and destroy unsuccessful prototypes - unless new technology used in the plane could be stolen.
No tin foil hat, oddball conspiracy beliefs here. It was just the govt protecting sensitive tech from falling into Russian hands.
There's no reason to cut up and destroy unsuccessful prototypes - unless new technology used in the plane could be stolen.
No tin foil hat, oddball conspiracy beliefs here. It was just the govt protecting sensitive tech from falling into Russian hands.
Who do you think would win a straight-up fight? Canada's artist's impression air force or Engerland's CGI navy?
Made in Canada, eh!! :canada:
I would also add to the discussion that the government was right to select the 101. When you have a facility already in existence that makes what you want (or close to it) at an affordable price, you grab it. The US was lukewarm about the Arrow because they had an aerospace industry and needed to counter any competition. The US also knew the technological advancements that resulted from the Arrow program would be theirs to incorporate and improve upon in short order.
The collapse of the program and subsequent exodus of aerospace scientists/technicians to the US couldn't have been timed any better. With the US-Russia space race starting, if you couldn't get a job in Malton, you could find one easily in California, Florida or Texas.
The mystique of the Arrow is always great fun to read, but aliens, men in black or the Illuminati didn't kill it. I think the extreme cost did.
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And here's President Kennedy speaking about getting into space. Hinting to the Russians that the US was committed to the race.
This video has been edited and music added to communicate the patriotism and verve of the Prez and the time.
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The collapse of the program and subsequent exodus of aerospace scientists/technicians to the US couldn't have been timed any better. With the US-Russia space race starting, if you couldn't get a job in Malton, you could find one easily in California, Florida or Texas.
The mystique of the Arrow is always great fun to read, but aliens, men in black or the Illuminati didn't kill it. I think the extreme cost did.
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And here's President Kennedy speaking about getting into space. Hinting to the Russians that the US was committed to the race.
This video has been edited and music added to communicate the patriotism and verve of the Prez and the time.
[youtube]g25G1M4EXrQ[/youtube]
My mother worked hard to get Diefenbaker elected.
We don't talk about these things in our household.
I was in the air force stationed in trenton and had the privilege of seeing the arrow up close, it was a very impressive kite. Anyhow the tale as I recall dief swallowed u.s. bs hook line an sinker and cancelled the project in favour of bomarc missiles. U.S. brass convinced him their bomarcs were fairly cheap and far more capable of thwarting a ruskie attack than the cf-105. Shrewd move by the americans as they not only killed a potential challenger to their industry but lured many engineering experts to their camp and also managed to sell us their worthless junk that could not intercept incoming missiles.
The arrow was far ahead of its time and would have been the basis for a successful aero industry but as canucks we fear success.
The arrow was far ahead of its time and would have been the basis for a successful aero industry but as canucks we fear success.
Avro Arrow model found at bottom of Lake Ontario, expedition team says
THE CANADIAN PRESS
First posted: Thursday, September 07, 2017 11:58 PM EDT | Updated: Friday, September 08, 2017 12:04 AM EDT
TORONTO — Search crews say they have found a test model of the Avro Arrow, an advanced Canadian fighter jet that was controversially scrapped in 1959, on the floor of Lake Ontario.
OEX Recovery Group, which is spearheading the Raise the Arrow expedition, says in a news release Thursday that new sonar imagery confirmed the discovery of an Avro Arrow free-flight model.
The company is promising that photos and video footage of the discovery will be revealed publicly Friday in Toronto.
The mission to find nine models of the Avro Arrow began in late July near Point Petre, Ont., with a submarine scouring the waters of Lake Ontario.
The expedition also is meant to coincide with next year’s 60th anniversary of Avro Arrow’s first test flight.
The models were first launched from a military base in the 1950s as part of the development of the Avro Arrow, the first and only supersonic interceptor built by the Canadian military to counter potential Soviet bomber attacks in North America’s Arctic.
All materials, including completed jets, were ordered to be destroyed when Ottawa abruptly cancelled the Avro Arrow project.
The models discovered the by search team will find new homes at the Canada Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa and the National Air Force Museum of Canada in Trenton, Ont.
Avro Arrow model found at bottom of Lake Ontario, expedition team says | Ontario
THE CANADIAN PRESS
First posted: Thursday, September 07, 2017 11:58 PM EDT | Updated: Friday, September 08, 2017 12:04 AM EDT
TORONTO — Search crews say they have found a test model of the Avro Arrow, an advanced Canadian fighter jet that was controversially scrapped in 1959, on the floor of Lake Ontario.
OEX Recovery Group, which is spearheading the Raise the Arrow expedition, says in a news release Thursday that new sonar imagery confirmed the discovery of an Avro Arrow free-flight model.
The company is promising that photos and video footage of the discovery will be revealed publicly Friday in Toronto.
The mission to find nine models of the Avro Arrow began in late July near Point Petre, Ont., with a submarine scouring the waters of Lake Ontario.
The expedition also is meant to coincide with next year’s 60th anniversary of Avro Arrow’s first test flight.
The models were first launched from a military base in the 1950s as part of the development of the Avro Arrow, the first and only supersonic interceptor built by the Canadian military to counter potential Soviet bomber attacks in North America’s Arctic.
All materials, including completed jets, were ordered to be destroyed when Ottawa abruptly cancelled the Avro Arrow project.
The models discovered the by search team will find new homes at the Canada Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa and the National Air Force Museum of Canada in Trenton, Ont.
Avro Arrow model found at bottom of Lake Ontario, expedition team says | Ontario