Are these guys real Muslims
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The Nation of Islam accepts black members only, and yes, mainstream Muslims reject them for that reason. From my experience in the past (I had Muslim family and friends, and had encountered the Nation of Islam in Montreal), though Islam has been suffering from religious fanaticism lately, it tends to be quite open to all races. I'm not saying there is no racism at all among Muslims, but merely that, generally speaking, they are quite open to all races, and so the Nation of Islam is anathema to that principle. Many Muslims will accept the members of the Nation of Islam as Muslim, but will still disagree profoundly with its blacks-only policy.
Not quite. It is no more racist than the Christian Faith or any other faith for that matter. Islam, as defined by its sacred texts, rejects racism altogether, but we can't judge a Faith by its followers. Islam cannot be judged by the Nation of Islam any more than the Christian Faith can be judged by the KKK.
What you're saying is totally illogical. That would be like saying that some professed Christians are racist, and that therefore all Christians are racist. In the end we have to judge the Christian Faith based on the words and deeds of Christ. The same applies with Islam. It must be based on the words and deeds of Muhammad. The same applies to any religion.
Huh? This is gibberish (you understand what gibberish is?)In Islam, what is the correct way?
I'm sorry Selin, but there ARE racist statements in the Quran - many statements towards the Jewish tribes and Jews in general are indeed racist.I wish it were otherwise
A Muslim Jew-hater and supporter of genocide is flushed out.
YouTube - David Horowitz at UCSD 05 10 2010.avi
YouTube - David Horowitz at UCSD 05 10 2010.avi
?? Don't you mean prejudice?
I am female, among other things.
Life's a bitch.
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There are lots of organizations that accept anybody, some may have potential members jump thru hoops to get in, but anyone can try. (Females included. :smile: )
First off, Judaism is a faith, not a race, and it's clear that the Qur'an intends it that way. Also, the Qur'an says many positive things about the Jewish Faith. You need to distinguish between Jews in general and the specific Jews referred to in that book (I've read the Qur'an cover to cover numerous times with pen and paper in hand). During that time, a number of tribes, including Jewish ones, had attacked Muhammad. Looking at it that way, the Bible too refers to Jews killing Jesus. Certainly it's not saying each and every Jew is responsible for the murder of Jesus. It's referring specifically to those Jews who'd participated in one way or another to bring about his crucifixion.
Neither the woman nor the man handled that exchange as they could have.
And I disagree with the woman's statement about supporting terrorism in the name of Islam. However, to say that all Muslims are terrorists because of her would be like saying all Christians are terrorists because of a few who support the murder of abortion doctors.
Salaam
They are not Muslims; they are a black racist cult
The group calls its followers Muslims, but in reality, they have very little to do with the faith of Islam.
A Muslim can not be racist, the prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) said
“All mankind are from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action
And Allah says in the Quran.
"Mankind! We created you from a male and female, and made you into peoples and tribes so that you might come to know each other. The noblest among you in God's sight is the one with the most piety (who best performs his duty to God). God is All-Knowing, All-Aware"(Quran)
For more information about the NOI ,and Islam see this link
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/656/viewall/
wa salaam
machjo great post! I love reading your posts.
May Allah guide you to the truth
They are not Muslims; they are a black racist cult
The group calls its followers Muslims, but in reality, they have very little to do with the faith of Islam.
A Muslim can not be racist, the prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) said
“All mankind are from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action
And Allah says in the Quran.
"Mankind! We created you from a male and female, and made you into peoples and tribes so that you might come to know each other. The noblest among you in God's sight is the one with the most piety (who best performs his duty to God). God is All-Knowing, All-Aware"(Quran)
For more information about the NOI ,and Islam see this link
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/656/viewall/
wa salaam
machjo great post! I love reading your posts.
May Allah guide you to the truth
You make a great point here. In fact I'll even give you a greenie!However I think that whereas the KKK is abhored by all the Nation is held at a higher level. They openly preach racism and recieve admiration from quite a few. It astounds me to hear some of their rhetoric. One Nation preacher (now deceased) had a video on youtube calling for the death of all white people making specific references to white women as they are the machines for giving birth to white people.
"Kill all them white women" he finished
Then he made reference to killing white babies because they grow up to be white devils.
"Kill all them white babies" he finished
The people who admire them would be the same who'd admire the KKK if they were white.
Though Muslims won't necessarily question the sincerity in the Nation of Islam's claim to profess Islam, they still reject its racist and violent rhetoric as anathema to Islam. Essentially, they're viewed by the majority of Muslims as misguided Muslims at best.
This is where I disagree. The Nation is dealt with kid gloves. They are coddled to a point. When the KKK has a rally full weight is brought against them as it should be. The Nation can have a million man march and be looked on as a group fighting for equal rights when in actuallity the Nation preaches black segregation and black supremacy and violence against white people.
It was the Nation that assasinated Malcolm X when he had a self reformation and disavowed racism.
The islam faith is not racist at all,but %90 of the followers are...(weird huh?)So it comes to whether you can judge a religion by its followers or not,my answer would be no,but i wouldnt be able to argue with you much if you said yes...
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Or that right wing lunatics are not really conservatives? Or that charismatic Catholics are not true Catholics? Are Muslim terrorists any different than Christian terrorists? Do we paint all Muslims and Christians with the same brush? People come in all stripes, in varying shades of gray. Labels are not conducive to understanding and brotherhood.