Are B.C. school teachers being realistic

[captain morgan]

Private schools and charters pay better and charge tuitions and do indeed get public funding in BC. School trustees which are elected by their local peoples (public non-union) want to stop the funding of private schools and put it toward public. It's called Democracy. Got something against Democracy?

Families that send their kids to Charter/Private schools pay property taxes as well (read education taxes). Are they not entitled to get the direct benefit from that or is that a little too democratic for you?

Would you get out of bed in the morning for $1250 a week gross pay?

Is that amount they get for the 2 weeks they take off to help out their sick friends?

 

[JLM]

Beautiful! :smile:

 

[captain morgan]

This is a great idea for the whole working class if it was the death of a family member. Friends.. That's more difficult to pin down because we don't know how close the friend is to the teacher. I'm sure the grieving process would still be great, but they should have to bite the bullet on this one.

That said, I think a 2-week holiday for family grievences should be granted to all of us.

The real question is: Who is on the hook to pay for the time?

I don't believe that anyone would begrudge someone for taking a leave of absence for the aforementioned purpose,, however, incorporating that as a contractual right as a paid component is silly.

 

[JLM]

The real question is: Who is on the hook to pay for the time?

I don't believe that anyone would begrudge someone for taking a leave of absence for the aforementioned purpose,, however, incorporating that as a contractual right as a paid component is silly.

Well yeah, most people get at least two weeks holidays a year and no one is stopping them from using them for this purpose if they choose. Why someone would want to do this beats me!

 

[captain morgan]

Well yeah, most people get at least two weeks holidays a year and no one is stopping them from using them for this purpose if they choose. Why someone would want to do this beats me!

Because it's more "free" time at the expense of the taxpayer.

It's interesting to consider exactly how many of these grief-striken people would volunteer their holiday time to accommodate sick friends or grieve a loss is it was on their own dime... Chances are that they'd take the 1/2 day off for a funeral or stop by the sick friends house on the way home from work, but not spend their own actual time on doing it.

 

[taxslave]

You hit one but Chilean imports are cheaper.

Majority of forestry land and logging rights are leased from the Crown. It's not from private land.

Wrong again. Majority of raw log exports in B.C. are from private land. It is much harder to export logs from crown land although it can be done.SO how is this any different than exporting wheat instead of bread or crude oil instead of gas and diesel?

 

[mentalfloss]

I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one. Getting right back to work is the best therapy, sitting around grieving does neither the deceased or the survivers one bit of good. I say they should get 1/2 day off work for the funeral and then get back at it.

Well give them the option at least. The thing with friends is that it is difficult to prove the significance of relationship between both parties, so it it's immediately a bust anyway.

 

[taxslave]

Private schools and charters pay better and charge tuitions and do indeed get public funding in BC. School trustees which are elected by their local peoples (public non-union) want to stop the funding of private schools and put it toward public. It's called Democracy. Got something against Democracy?

BC Guide for Independent Schools - Grants - BC Ministry of Education

Would you get out of bed in the morning for $1250 a week gross pay?

Most of us do. Many do it for a lot less. With no perks.

This is a great idea for the whole working class if it was the death of a family member. Friends.. That's more difficult to pin down because we don't know how close the friend is to the teacher. I'm sure the grieving process would still be great, but they should have to bite the bullet on this one.

That said, I think a 2-week holiday for family grievences should be granted to all of us.

So take two weeks, just don't expect your employer to pay for if.

 

[petros]

Families that send their kids to Charter/Private schools pay property taxes as well (read education taxes). Are they not entitled to get the direct benefit from that or is that a little too democratic for you?



Is that amount they get for the 2 weeks they take off to help out their sick friends?

Yeah they pay property taxes which fund their charter school. Your point?


$60K a year before taxes. $23 an hour. Would you get out of bed in the morning for that? That's starting wage for a trade. FFS

 

[captain morgan]

Yeah they pay property taxes which fund their charter school. Your point?

Democracy in action...

$60K a year before taxes. $23 an hour. Would you get out of bed in the morning for that? That's sarting wage for a trade. FFS

Not my problem. The Teachers could have made the decision to work at Rotten Ronnie's for all I care.

 

[petros]

Yeah man Democracy in action you got something against democracy and non-union elected school boards?

So there is no way in hell you'd get out of bed to tend to a bunch snot nose little brats for $23 an hour?

$23 an hour is joke.

 

[JLM]

Yeah man Democracy in action you got something against democracy and non-union elected school boards?

So there is no way in hell you'd get out of bed to tend to a bunch snot nose little brats for $23 an hour?

$23 an hour is joke.

Lots of people would give their eye teeth for $23 an hour and probably quite a few for half that! :smile:

I don't pretend to know all the ramifications of the teachers feeling of justification for job action but as a grandparent with two school aged girls living with us I am aware of some of the things that go on. I would be willing to listen to sensible talk, but when the hare brained request for two weeks off for the death of a "friend", is a little beyond the pale and enough I would guess to make many people quit listening. That in itself defines the room temperature I.Q. of the union honchos! :roll:

 

[petros]

Lots of people would give their eye teeth for $23 an hour and probably quite a few for half that! :smile:

I don't pretend to know all the ramifications of the teachers feeling of justification for job action but as a grandparent with two school aged girls living with us I am aware of some of the things that go on. I would be willing to listen to sensible talk, but when the hare brained request for two weeks off for the death of a "friend", is a little beyond the pale and enough I would guess to make many people quit listening. That in itself defines the room temperature I.Q. of the union honchos! :roll:

If you want to be part of the action go attend schoolboard meetings. They are public. You can speak your mind all you want. Hell you can even run for the board if you wanted.


$23 an hour is a joke. If you know people with their grade 12 who want to work tell them to come to Sask. We'll gladly take your educated unemployed and put them to work. No problem. We need 10,000 today minimum but that would mean BC would lose 10,000 people in transfer payments and all your public services would be hit even harder.

It's time BC grew up and staredt to actually produced things other than trees, crackheads and whiny debutants.

 

[JLM]

If you want to be part of the action go attend schoolboard meetings. They are public. You can speak your mind all you want. Hell you can even run for the board if you wanted.


$23 an hour is a joke. If you know people with their grade 12 who want to work tell them to come to Sask. We'll gladly take your educated unemployed and put them to work. No problem. We need 10,000 today minimum but that would mean BC would lose 10,000 people in transfer payments and all your public services would be hit even harder.

It's time BC grew up and staredt to actually produced things other than trees, crackheads and whiny debutants.

Cheer up, Petros, the sun is shining, no need to get upset over a bunch of banter. :smile:

 

[petros]

Oh I am a very happy camper JLM. If BC didn't have a such a useless bunch of twats in Victoria maybe I'd move back to Winfield and we could go for a beer and pig out on sausage from Helmut and Paula's in Oyama.

 

[JLM]

Oh I am a very happy camper JLM. If BC didn't have a such a useless bunch of twats in Victoria maybe I'd move back to Winfield and we could go for a beer and pig out on sausage from Helmut and Paula's in Oyama.

Winfield is a bit of a "concrete jungle" now- lots of bad actors and mischief happening there. However a new highway is under construction between Winfield and Oyama, way up the hill above the old highway, which will remain open for lake access. :smile:

 

[petros]

Winfield is a bit of a "concrete jungle" now- lots of bad actors and mischief happening there. However a new highway is under construction between Winfield and Oyama, way up the hill above the old highway, which will remain open for lake access. :smile:

Up over Spinycop and OK Center Rd?

 

[JLM]

Up over Spinycop and OK Center Rd?

Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure

 

[captain morgan]

Yeah they pay property taxes which fund their charter school. Your point?

The point is that I was commenting at your cavalier response about 'democracy'... On that note, and seeing that you're all for democracy, shouldn't the families that pay the education taxes get full value applied to the schools that their kids attend as opposed to just 80%?

$60K a year before taxes. $23 an hour. Would you get out of bed in the morning for that? That's starting wage for a trade. FFS

So what?.. Fact is, teachers that produce results are snapped-up by the Charter/Private systems and are paid a premium, they don't need a union to lobby that they get weeks off at a time to help sick friends... That demand has got to be the most ridiculous caveat ever, but considering that it is a union demand, well, stupidity is just par for the course.

 

[JLM]

I just got to wondering since the teachers are withholding about 1/3 of their services, maybe 1/3 of their pay should be withheld! :lol: