Are B.C. school teachers being realistic

[captain morgan]

Fact. Educated people don't have anywhere near the amount of health problems as those without.

You're assuming that the education is actually providing a quality education

 

[petros]

Facts are facts not assumptions.

Educated People In US Living Longer, Less Educated Have Unchanged Death Rate

 

[captain morgan]

Are you saying that it is a fact that the public education system provided is the highest possible quality?

 

[petros]

Are you saying that it is a fact that the public education system provided is the highest possible quality?

Nope. You did. I said educated people live longer and are healthier than lesser educated. An increase in quality would also mean an increase in health and longevity accordingly.

 

[captain morgan]

.. Despite the error in your assertion; what does this have to do with the BC teachers union - Will they save our youth from any/all health concerns?

 

[JLM]

Nope. You did. I said educated people live longer and are healthier than lesser educated. An increase in quality would also mean an increase in health and longevity accordingly.

Is it because they are better educated or is it because they go to better doctors? :lol:

 

[petros]

.. Despite the error in your assertion; what does this have to do with the BC teachers union - Will they save our youth from any/all health concerns?

What's the error? Union or non-union the more education someone has the healthier they are. FACT!

What does quality have to do with union or non-union?

 

[JLM]

.. Despite the error in your assertion; what does this have to do with the BC teachers union - Will they save our youth from any/all health concerns?

The gap between rich and poor continues to increase and teachers are closer to the "rich" side than the "poor" side.

 

[petros]

The gap between rich and poor continues to increase and teachers are closer to the "rich" side than the "poor" side.

Are they? What do you consider "rich"?

 

[captain morgan]

What's the error? Union or non-union the more education someone has the healthier they are. FACT!

Sure... So does this FACT justify a raise for teachers?

What does quality have to do with union or non-union?

Unionized teachers are not held accountable for the results that they (don't) generate... FACT

Are they? What do you consider "rich"?

They never agree to have their salaries tied to any downward measures; just upside.. FACT

 

[JLM]

Are they? What do you consider "rich"?

Being able to sustain the necessities of life with a few extras. 95% of Canadians are rich but don't realize it. No wonder all the "Toy" shops are thriving! Casinos are full, tattoo parlours are doing lots of business, electronic shops are making a killing. Young brats are street racing in $100,000 cars. Travel agents aren't starving either.

That is a fact I can attest to. Two or three years ago we had slight deflation but my pensions stayed the same! :smile: A lot of people won't remember that.

 

[petros]

Sure... So does this FACT justify a raise for teachers?



Unionized teachers are not held accountable for the results that they (don't) generate... FACT

As the old adage says :"You get what you pay for." Govt sets the standard of education not unions or teachers and nobody can force someone to want to learn. The onus is on the student to meet the set requirements and go further.

Since the drop out rate has been cut in half over the past 10 years in BC JLM will get his better healthcare since more are now being educated than before and will not need the services JLM desires.

Trends in Dropout Rates and the Labour Market Outcomes of Young Dropouts

 

[captain morgan]

As the old adage says :"You get what you pay for." Govt sets the standard of education not unions or teachers and nobody can force someone to want to learn. The onus is on the student to meet the set requirements and go further.

Since the drop out rate has been cut in half over the past 10 years in BC JLM will get his better healthcare since more are now being educated than before and will not need the services JLM desires.

There's another old saying that is more directly applicable to the unions in Canada "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining".

The teachers unions in Canada have been woeful under performers compared to private schools and charters.... I presume that you will challenge this, so, in the event that you want an even better measure - Canadian students can't even come close to competing with Asian students that have no comparable resources, larger classroom sizes and NO UNIONS... FACT

 

[damngrumpy]

Education is extremely important and not just the 3 R's as it were.
Well rounded people learn how to look after themselves in the
areas of health and in society in general. I want my grand kids to
learn new languages, I want them to appreciate art and music
and find out about how others view the world. If the children of
tomorrow learn those things and understand the world around them
they will not only be able to compete they will be able to reason, something
many of their parents are not equipped to do. That being said at the
moment there is not enough money to go round and in many cases money
is not going to fix some of the basic problems we have in BC.
Money can't buy governmental integrity, honesty and a case of ethics.
That will come with accountability at election time.

 

[petros]

Private schools and charters pay better and charge tuitions and do indeed get public funding in BC. School trustees which are elected by their local peoples (public non-union) want to stop the funding of private schools and put it toward public. It's called Democracy. Got something against Democracy?

BC Guide for Independent Schools - Grants - BC Ministry of Education

Would you get out of bed in the morning for $1250 a week gross pay?

 

[Blackie]

The right kind of education including "The 3 Rs". Kids are graduating now who can't spell or use proper grammar. :smile:

“The right kind of education including "The 3 Rs". Kids are graduating now who can't spell or use proper grammar.” Worst part is kids can’t even be held back in their grade (fail), even if they’ve learned nothing. Teachers can’t be too impressed with that. For example, who wants a kid who has basically failed grade 5 going into grade 6? I’ve seen kindergarten kids being ‘promoted’ to grade 1 who can’t even print their names. Because the teacher has no choice. The teacher and aide had spent much time trying to help these kids. And it goes on and on, through high school.


“damngrumpy I want my grand kids to learn new languages, I want them to appreciate art and music
and find out about how others view the world.”
These are all well and good, but if a kid does not ‘get’ the 3 R’s also, what good will it do??

Being able to sustain the necessities of life with a few extras. 95% of Canadians are rich but don't realize it. No wonder all the "Toy" shops are thriving! Casinos are full, tattoo parlours are doing lots of business, electronic shops are making a killing. Young brats are street racing in $100,000 cars. Travel agents aren't starving either.
That is a fact I can attest to. Two or three years ago we had slight deflation but my pensions stayed the same! :smile: A lot of people won't remember that.

Well, I know where I fit in... the 5%...

 

[JLM]

As the old adage says :"You get what you pay for." Govt sets the standard of education not unions or teachers and nobody can force someone to want to learn. The onus is on the student to meet the set requirements and go further.

Since the drop out rate has been cut in half over the past 10 years in BC JLM will get his better healthcare since more are now being educated than before and will not need the services JLM desires.

Trends in Dropout Rates and the Labour Market Outcomes of Young Dropouts

Ummmmmmmm, not quite- the people who are being educated have to have a place to practice their medicine and space to accommodate seriously ill patients. In my city we can't depend on that, and Princeton is in even direr straits, while school teachers think they should lolly gag around for two weeks pining over dead friends. The first priority has to be for the living. :smile:

Education is extremely important and not just the 3 R's as it were.
Well rounded people learn how to look after themselves in the
areas of health and in society in general. I want my grand kids to
learn new languages, I want them to appreciate art and music
and find out about how others view the world. If the children of
tomorrow learn those things and understand the world around them
they will not only be able to compete they will be able to reason, something
many of their parents are not equipped to do. That being said at the
moment there is not enough money to go round and in many cases money
is not going to fix some of the basic problems we have in BC.
Money can't buy governmental integrity, honesty and a case of ethics.
That will come with accountability at election time.

I agree with what you say, but AFTER they master the 3 Rs of which graduating students today are woefully inadequate. Do you ever listen to a bunch of teenagers talking? They can't even distinguish between the verbs go and say! And the word "like" covers pretty much everything.

“The right kind of education including "The 3 Rs". Kids are graduating now who can't spell or use proper grammar.” Worst part is kids can’t even be held back in their grade (fail), even if they’ve learned nothing. Teachers can’t be too impressed with that. For example, who wants a kid who has basically failed grade 5 going into grade 6? I’ve seen kindergarten kids being ‘promoted’ to grade 1 who can’t even print their names. Because the teacher has no choice.The teacher and aide had spent much time trying to help these kids. And it goes on and on, through high school.

You've hit the nail right on the head, we've been brainwashed for 40 years that we dare not introduce our children to "failure" and "disappointment"!!!!!!!!!! What a crock. You praise the kid when he/she does well and admonish them when they don't.

Private schools and charters pay better and charge tuitions and do indeed get public funding in BC. School trustees which are elected by their local peoples (public non-union) want to stop the funding of private schools and put it toward public. It's called Democracy. Got something against Democracy?

BC Guide for Independent Schools - Grants - BC Ministry of Education

Would you get out of bed in the morning for $1250 a week gross pay?

Who in their right mind would want to stop funding something that is putting out a good product? It's pretty widely recognized that private schools out perform the public schools, otherwise why would rich people send their kids there?

 

[mentalfloss]

Two weeks holidays when a friend dies. It would pay to have a lot of "friends"! :lol:

This is a great idea for the whole working class if it was the death of a family member. Friends.. That's more difficult to pin down because we don't know how close the friend is to the teacher. I'm sure the grieving process would still be great, but they should have to bite the bullet on this one.

That said, I think a 2-week holiday for family grievences should be granted to all of us.

 

[pgs]

Ummmmmmmm, not quite- the people who are being educated have to have a place to practice their medicine and space to accommodate seriously ill patients. In my city we can't depend on that, and Princeton is in even direr straits, while school teachers think they should lolly gag around for two weeks pining over dead friends. The first priority has to be for the living. :smile:



I agree with what you say, but AFTER they master the 3 Rs of which graduating students today are woefully inadequate. Do you ever listen to a bunch of teenagers talking? They can't even distinguish between the verbs go and say! And the word "like" covers pretty much everything.

You've hit the nail right on the head, we've been brainwashed for 40 years that we dare not introduce our children to "failure" and "disappointment"!!!!!!!!!! What a crock. You praise the kid when he/she does well and admonish them when they don't.

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Who in their right mind would want to stop funding something that is putting out a good product? It's pretty widely recognized that private schools out perform the public schools, otherwise why would rich people send their kids there?

And why would Ndp cabinet ministers send their children to private school ? Moe Sihota anyone.

 

[JLM]

This is a great idea for the whole working class if it was the death of a family member. Friends.. That's more difficult to pin down because we don't know how close the friend is to the teacher. I'm sure the grieving process would still be great, but they should have to bite the bullet on this one.

That said, I think a 2-week holiday for family grievences should be granted to all of us.

I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one. Getting right back to work is the best therapy, sitting around grieving does neither the deceased or the survivers one bit of good. I say they should get 1/2 day off work for the funeral and then get back at it.