Another Tamil ship on its way to our shores

[Ariadne]

I remember it well, Dr. Chrisian Bernhard 1967 & the patient actually lived a year or so. But it was a great start.

I goofed there, his name was Louis Washkanski and he only lived 18 days. Still a great feat at the time.

Let's separate the apples from the oranges. If you had a fatal disease, one that was treatable if diagnosed properly at the outset, would you prefer to have the critical diagnostic medical check up with a doctor trained in Bangladesh, Ceylon, or Canada? England, South Africa, or Canada?

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

They are fake refugees. They are simply economic refugees. Australia has stopped accepting refugees from Sri Lanka. Send them home.

Canada needs to set up a quota for refugees and stick to it. We can set up a camp in Sri Lanka and take a certain number each year.

 

[Ariadne]

They are fake refugees. They are simply economic refugees. Australia has stopped accepting refugees from Sri Lanka. Send them home.

Canada needs to set up a quota for refugees and stick to it. We can set up a camp in Sri Lanka and take a certain number each year.

The Swedes are in the process of expelling a group of about 70 Iraqi people that entered the country requesting asylum, immigration, and the right to practice the religion and lifestyle they prefer (which is completely different from the area where they settled). If we thought about this a little differently, isn't it true that various countries around the world pretty much developed the way they wanted. Canada turned out to be civilized, and Sri Lanka did not. If Canada developed into a healthy society with the current beliefs, is it really a good idea to dilute that success with beliefs from countries that devolved into murder, mayhem, and disaster?

They are fake refugees. They are simply economic refugees. Australia has stopped accepting refugees from Sri Lanka. Send them home.

Canada needs to set up a quota for refugees and stick to it. We can set up a camp in Sri Lanka and take a certain number each year.

I read that there were 30,000 applications per year, but it was a confusing sentence and I was unclear if it was 30,000 refugee, or 30,000 Tamil refugee, applications annually. There are many more immigrants, and refugee numbers seem to be buried in that number.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

The Swedes are in the process of expelling a group of about 70 Iraqi people that entered the country requesting asylum, immigration, and the right to practice the religion and lifestyle they prefer (which is completely different from the area where they settled). If we thought about this a little differently, isn't it true that various countries around the world pretty much developed the way they wanted. Canada turned out to be civilized, and Sri Lanka did not. If Canada developed into a healthy society with the current beliefs, is it really a good idea to dilute that success with beliefs from countries that devolved into murder, mayhem, and disaster?

I read that there were 30,000 applications per year, but it was a confusing sentence and I was unclear if it was 30,000 refugee, or 30,000 Tamil refugee, applications annually. There are many more immigrants, and refugee numbers seem to be buried in that number.

The expression, "size matters" applies here (giggle giggle). When you get too many immigrants of one particular group, they don't assimilate because they can live in their own little world when they have the numbers. This is what is happening in Canada. We however don't feel we have the right to manage immigration and the kind of country we want. Business wants a free for all and the socialists want to save the world and let thema all in. Canada is a very irresponsible country right now in terms of immigration.

Taking in smaller numbers allows for assimilation. And many immigrants now come from crazy violent countries and they keep their grudges for a long time. It happened with Irish immigrants who sent large amounts of money back to Ireland to fund terrorism. This is bad, this is very very bad.

Sweden did what they felt was best for their culture.

 

[Ariadne]

The expression, "size matters" applies here (giggle giggle). When you get too many immigrants of one particular group, they don't assimilate because they can live in their own little world when they have the numbers. This is what is happening in Canada. We however don't feel we have the right to manage immigration and the kind of country we want. Business wants a free for all and the socialists want to save the world and let thema all in. Canada is a very irresponsible country right now in terms of immigration.

Taking in smaller numbers allows for assimilation. And many immigrants now come from crazy violent countries and they keep their grudges for a long time. It happened with Irish immigrants who sent large amounts of money back to Ireland to fund terrorism. This is bad, this is very very bad.

Sweden did what they felt was best for their culture.

Given global technology, culture will be blended ... the only hope of preserving all cultures is to ensure that they remain strong in their beliefs, religion, standards of education and practice, and tolerance. There is nothing wrong with having a strict screening process for admitting new citizens to the country, and nothing wrong with rejecting applicants that are not interested in the existing practices of the country. If new immigrants are not arriving in the country because of what the country has to offer, but merely transplanting their belief system, then they should stay home, and be sent home.

 

[JLM]

Let's separate the apples from the oranges. If you had a fatal disease, one that was treatable if diagnosed properly at the outset, would you prefer to have the critical diagnostic medical check up with a doctor trained in Bangladesh, Ceylon, or Canada? England, South Africa, or Canada?

If I knew NOTHING else about them I would pick one trained in Canada or England. But really that is pretty simplistic thinking. Some of the finest surgeons in the world are from Third World countries. Years ago when I lived in Courtenay one of the finest surgeons there was from India, there are many top Chinese heart surgeons. The quality of the doctor in the majority of cases has more to do with the man than where he was trained. Anyone who lived in Courtenay 30 years ago has heard of Dr. Athwal. Mind you I have no idea where he was trained.

 

[Dessolution]

The expression, "size matters" applies here (giggle giggle). When you get too many immigrants of one particular group, they don't assimilate because they can live in their own little world when they have the numbers. This is what is happening in Canada. We however don't feel we have the right to manage immigration and the kind of country we want. Business wants a free for all and the socialists want to save the world and let thema all in. Canada is a very irresponsible country right now in terms of immigration.

Taking in smaller numbers allows for assimilation. And many immigrants now come from crazy violent countries and they keep their grudges for a long time. It happened with Irish immigrants who sent large amounts of money back to Ireland to fund terrorism. This is bad, this is very very bad.

Sweden did what they felt was best for their culture.

Yes well, Sri Lankans did the very same. They go from tamil homes demanding money for the war effort. They were and are still a dangerous groups mostly around toronto.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Yes well, Sri Lankans did the very same. They go from tamil homes demanding money for the war effort. They were and are still a dangerous groups mostly around toronto.

The Canadian govt seems to have the attitude that this is okay. Perhaps because no one in the federal bureaucracy is getting a shake down. What? Me worry?

I heard on the radio today that Tamils in India are going back to Sri Lanka. And Australia is no longer acceptng Tamil refugess. So there is no need to accept any of these boat people. To thwart smuggling we should reprovision the boat and send it back home.

With this boat system, Tamils and others are always picking Canada, Canada is not picking its immigrants because they will all be accepted. Because we are a nice country, humanitarian, and we have treaty obligations. We MUST FOLLOW THE PROCESS OR ELSE they say. Comic really.

We have the power, but we refuse to exercise it. We are a soveriegn nation and can make our own decisions.

 

[DurkaDurka]

We have the power, but we refuse to exercise it. We are a soveriegn nation and can make our own decisions.

Except that the Supreme Court has somewhat hobbled our ability to expel fakes like this...

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Except that the Supreme Court has somewhat hobbled our ability to expel fakes like this...

For sure, however, we can intercept these ships in international waters, do the refugee process on a Canadian vessel, like the USA does, and avoid the issue. Our pols are weak, captured by special interest groups, and just try to avoid controversy so unelected judges can decide and tell them what to do. "We have no choice, we must do it this way."

Giving complete legal rights to foreigners in Canada is simply naive. Yet it is not this way completely, because imigrants can be deported. As a person born here, I cannot be deported. So we have two tiers already.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Or perhaps, get this. The other 29,000 refugees come to Canada via legal means which the majority of Canadians do not have a problem with?

I guess I stated the case rather poorly. That's 29,000 illegal refugees. Actually I understated the case as I was quoting numbers from the evening news. It turns out that the number of illegals arriving in Canada each year is actually 40,000, or about 100 a day.

 

[Ariadne]

I guess I stated the case rather poorly. That's 29,000 illegal refugees. Actually I understated the case as I was quoting numbers from the evening news. It turns out that the number of illegals arriving in Canada each year is actually 40,000, or about 100 a day.

This was in the news last week:

"This is not the first time government officials have wrestled with how to handle potential refugee claimants arriving by boat without treating them differently from those arriving by land or air.
But because the numbers of such arrivals in recent years has been relatively small — only 76 Tamils last year — compared to the 30,000 who apply for refugee status in Canada each year, it has not been a top priority."

Harper government searching for means to stem tide of boat refugees

 

[Cliffy]

Its a good thing for us that our aboriginal people didn't have a central government and a legal system because we would all be illegal immigrants

 

[DurkaDurka]

Its a good thing for us that our aboriginal people didn't have a central government and a legal system because we would all be illegal immigrants

Dealing with the now, Cliffy.

 

[rajinsurrey]

Allowing these people to stay in Canada just shows the world that people dont need to follow the laws. We have laws in place that the majority of society follow and yett we allow thes epeople who are willing to spend thousands of dollars to come to our country on a ship as opposed to through proper channels, I find it sad that these people have a greater chance of being allowed to stay in the country then those who follow the laws, great message to send come to canada by breaking he law we will forgive you

 

[Ariadne]

Allowing these people to stay in Canada just shows the world that people dont need to follow the laws. We have laws in place that the majority of society follow and yett we allow thes epeople who are willing to spend thousands of dollars to come to our country on a ship as opposed to through proper channels, I find it sad that these people have a greater chance of being allowed to stay in the country then those who follow the laws, great message to send come to canada by breaking he law we will forgive you

I would tend to agree. I think these people should be put on a plane, sent home, and told to follow proper channels. If they can't go home, then Canada should set up a processing office in Thailand, fly them there, and process them. Next time a ship sails for Canada, it can be sent to Thailand. Now is the time for Canada to set the precedent, not next time.

They had 40-50 thousand dollars per person to spend when entering the country illegally. They should have enough to support themselves for another couple of weeks during offshore application processing.

 

[earth_as_one]

or opinions can be grossly saturated with one's delusions....

But you have no problem with refugees entering Canada via illegal means. You realize you are quite the hypocrit when you speak about things being "illegal"?

I expect that nearly everyone including you would break laws to save themselves and their family.

Most Tamils who make it to Canada end up qualifying as refugees because most have a legitimate case. Canada doesn't allow every refugee claimant to stay in Canada.

While every migrant got due process, in all, 444 of the 577 refugee claims were rejected.
Twenty-four were granted convention refugee status and another dozen were allowed to stay in Canada in return for testifying against the smugglers who brought them from China, Wong said.

Read more: 10 years after: B.C.'s Chinese boat migrants
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[CDNBear]

I expect that nearly everyone including you would break laws to save themselves and their family.

But the Joos aren't given the same respect?

 

[Dixie Cup]

The fact that they have paid thousands of dollars to make the trip doesn't sound like "refugee material" to me. I am skeptical of those on board and I think they should have been provided with food and water and sent back BEFORE entering Canadian waters.

The another side worries me too, (the smuggling part). If these are true refugees, where did they get the money and, if they haven't paid, what are they expected to do here in Canada in order to repay the debt? The fact that most will be released before their immigration hearings never to be heard from again is also extremely frustrating.

Oh, and by the way, notice how a "token" few women and children were on board but the majority were men?? I wonder what the average age of the men were.

All in all, the whole thing stinks and we need to something now. Why aren't we going into the refugee camps and hand picking people?? Just wondering....

JMO

 

[Ariadne]

But the Joos aren't given the same respect?

Clarify?