America’s Stay-at-Home Ex-President

EagleSmack

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lmao


What's that JBee? A self-portrait?
 

gopher

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Bush should go to Switzerland but only after spending a days of touring Baghdad unescorted to see his handiwork. After all, Clinton did so in Africa. I wonder what type of greeting he'll get there. ;)

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''JBee's hero...Paul Craig Roberts....''


You mean JB is a CONSERVATIVE?
 

CDNBear

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That was a question, one that you didn't answer.
No it was a statement with a question mark added for some reason.

and other Countries should allow a lying son of a bitch that condoned torture into their country because.................................?
They shouldn't.

So should countries allow a Pope that condoned child molestation into theirs?

Why should Bush be tried, while your Pope gets a pass?

I didn't ask if you thought what he condoned was torture or not.
No, but because of the way you worded the question, there is no reasonable expectation of an informed answer, unless he explicitly agrees with you.

It`s the same question whether or not I include them.
No it isn't.

Or is that beyond either of you two`s cognitive skills?
Posing a reasoned question is obviously beyond yours.

Still need Bear to help you out?
They seem to be doing fine without me. Why do you ask?

Ann Coulter is different, no one wanted to listen to the old skank of a hypocrite at the university. boo hoo. :p
That's not true.

Call it what you want, we all know the truth. according to our perceptions.
FIFY

Well the Right already had a rule on free speech for long enough....
What rule was that?

anybody who spoke out against Bush and his goons were called unpatriotic and if you weren't white and came from another country, you were just swept away to another country to be tortured for years and then released in another country with no means of getting back home.... and without even the decency of a reach around.
This practice was done, because people spoke out about Bush's foreign policy? Or is that just how you'll spin it?

After all, if he never did anything wrong, why does he keep hiding?
He's hiding?

Well you guys were complaining it was all about Palin these days...... we figured you guys wanted a break. Besides, did you think we forgot about Bush?
No one will forget about Bush. He's the new arch villain.

Yes, once again, it's all about denying someone their right to free speech, rather then trying to hold a war criminal accountable for his crimes.
Did you actually read the article?

I guess Bush should always avoid justice and prosecution based on free speech.
I guess you should read the facts.
I guess I can go and commit all sorts of murders and crimes, but so long as I say I'm going to go talk to someone about something or come on here to post something.... the police can't touch me.
I just had a sargasm!

Freedom of speech does not guarantee one an audience. :)
True. But Anne had an awaiting audience.

Yeah, but it still annoys me that when a group of students stand up and declare that they do not want to be audience to her, it is ignored as the exercise in free speech that it is.
That would be true, if they actually stuck to using words, not aggressive physical confrontation.

They said they do not want to hear what she has to say, and that's just as valid an exercise of free speech, as anything she would have had to say.
I agree. Now only if they stuck to using words.

I support everyone's right to free speech including ex-President George W.
No you don't.

They protested her presence at the University.
True

They had every right to do that.
True.

They didn't have a right to use aggression and be physical. Representing a danger to other peoples safety.

The University had every right to listen to that protest.
Absolutely. But the University was merely the venue. She was invited by a group of students.

Why aren't there big rows when anti Joo holocaust deniers are asked by a group of students to speak?

Oh ya...that kind of free speech is OK with the morally bankrupt left.

She on the other hand, has no right to an audience.
She most certainly does, if an audience wishes to hear her.
She can say whatever she wants, she just can't say it wherever she pleases.
She was invited.

No, and it didn't in this case. The University was the one that told her not to come.
Really? Last time we debated this, it was the Police and her security that thought she should take a pass.

The government should not dictate where and when people speak so long as they have a willing audience and it's not hate speak. That's part of Canada's protected 'freedom of association' and 'freedom of assembly'.
Anne had a willing audience.

Well in a democracy the majority rules. :p
In a true democracy, thankfully the US is a Republic and Canada is a Constitutional Monarchy.

Well... when you're paying into an institution, you get a say in what it spends its money hosting, imo.
True. But the venue was paid for the use of the auditorium by the group that invited Anne. The University didn't pay a cent.

So, yeah, I think the students rightly get to say if they do not want a certain speaker.
Of course they have the right to SAY so. But they don't have the right to create a physically hostile environment.

That isn't about free speech, that is about silencing what you don't agree with.

Did a student group invite her and other students decide that they did not want her to speak at all?
Yep.

To which I chuckled... just a little.
I was sort of angered and embarrassed.
 

Unforgiven

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I guess you missed the complete video of that little debacle a few month ago..
Now watch the video completely and the sequence of event...First she tries to get to him as the limo is moving...she is stopped...that is not where the head stomping occurred.....she runs around the limo while it is stopping and comes back around the front of the vehicle running.....still carrying her sign...and that is where she is finaly tackled as she is trying to reach rand paul a second time......Watch at around 55second into the video...

Edit....here's your smillie...

Reach him to do what? Put the sign up in front of him for pictures? Hand it to him even so that they could get pictures of it in his hands? Not quite the violent attack that would justify they way this slip of a girl was handled by much larger and stronger men. Well "men" is for lack of a better word.

This is exactly typical of the right wing to resort to violence at the slightest provocation while screaming bloody murder at the hint of the same treatment.

Like Palin targeting other politicians, then blubbering away about being scared of being targeted in Colorado. Either you want to play with guns or you don't. Either you support mob violence or you don't. Democrats have guns too, democrats can stomp on female protesters too. Difference is none of the leaders support that kind of action even against neo nuts.

That's not true.

Sure it is.


It wasn't broken.
 

CDNBear

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Reach him to do what? Put the sign up in front of him for pictures? Hand it to him even so that they could get pictures of it in his hands? Not quite the violent attack that would justify they way this slip of a girl was handled by much larger and stronger men. Well "men" is for lack of a better word.
Ya, law enforcement should treat every single nutter like a fragile flower. While being mind readers and seeing into the future.

This is exactly typical of the right wing to resort to violence at the slightest provocation while screaming bloody murder at the hint of the same treatment.


When security cautions you to stop, stop. That way you don't get hurt. And you see far more left progressives crying about supposed violence, then you do right progressives.

I for one fully grasp the concept of asking for it. Hence why I comply, whether I'm in the right or wrong. We have courts to deal with the righteousness of it all. But on the street, the Cops, security guards, and so on, have to protect the general public and/or dignitaries, at that moment. Hindsight isn't an option, in doing so.

Sure it is.
No, it was a straight up falsehood.

It wasn't broken.
I concede, it wasn't broken. It was just wrong.
 

DaSleeper

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Reach him to do what? Put the sign up in front of him for pictures? Hand it to him even so that they could get pictures of it in his hands? Not quite the violent attack that would justify they way this slip of a girl was handled by much larger and stronger men. Well "men" is for lack of a better word.

This is exactly typical of the right wing to resort to violence at the slightest provocation while screaming bloody murder at the hint of the same treatment.

Like Palin targeting other politicians, then blubbering away about being scared of being targeted in Colorado. Either you want to play with guns or you don't. Either you support mob violence or you don't. Democrats have guns too, democrats can stomp on female protesters too. Difference is none of the leaders support that kind of action even against neo nuts.
You didn't see when she shoved it in his face in the car?...When she circled aroundthe people that stoomped her did use too much force, but how were the people to know that she didn't have a firearm on her.
As for Palin targeting politician I guess you don't see the metaphor...and you think the left isn't capable of violence:roll:

And they don't target anything???

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CDNBear

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