Abortion demonstration just doesn't sound right.

gerryh

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I just love how the simple minded think that you have to be a religious neo con to be against abortion. That it's a left vs. right thing.


As for Omicron's bull shyte statement about Stalin "backing down".....

In 1936, Stalin banned abortion to stimulate the birth rate. In a widely resented decree that was dropped after his death, Stalin made it clear that the nation's couples should produce workers and soldiers as vigorously as new Soviet industries were turning out trucks and steel beams.
 

petros

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How do you justify telling women what they should do with their own bodies?
What is the sole purpose of the design of a woman's body?


Ever heard of any of this bull**** before?

"You're gonna get fat!"

"You have to finish school."

"You just started a career."

"What will the people at church think?"

"You're too young"

"You can't afford it."

"He doesn't love you."

Does any of that sound like "telling a woman what she can do with her body:"?
 

DaSleeper

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How do you justify telling women what they should do with their own bodies?

your arm is part of your body....right?

Just for laughs and giggles....try to find a surgeon that will cut of a good arm for you.

You'll get thrown in the loony bin...

Yet a woman is allowed and even encouraged in some cases to remove a viable part of her body
 

mentalfloss

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Abortion, euthanasia and infanticide

Consistent with his general ethical theory, Singer holds that the right to life is intrinsically tied to a being's capacity to hold preferences, which in turn is intrinsically tied to a being's capacity to feel pain and pleasure. In his view, the central argument against abortion may be stated as the following syllogism:
It is wrong to kill an innocent human being.
A human fetus is an innocent human being.
Therefore it is wrong to kill a human fetus.[15]
In his book Rethinking Life and Death, as well as in Practical Ethics, Singer asserts that, if we take the premises at face value, the argument is deductively valid. Singer comments that defenders of abortion attack the second premise, suggesting that the fetus becomes a "human" or "alive" at some point after conception; however, Singer argues that human development is a gradual process, that it is nearly impossible to mark a particular moment in time as the moment at which human life begins.

Singer's argument for abortion differs from many other proponents of abortion; rather than attacking the second premise of the anti-abortion argument, Singer attacks the first premise, denying that it is necessarily wrong to take innocent human life:
[The argument that a fetus is not alive] is a resort to a convenient fiction that turns an evidently living being into one that legally is not alive. Instead of accepting such fictions, we should recognise that despite the fact that a being is human, and alive, this does not in itself tell us whether it is wrong to take that being's life.[16]
Singer states that arguments for or against abortion should be based on utilitarian calculation which weighs the preferences of a woman against the preferences of the fetus. In his view a preference is anything sought to be obtained or avoided; all forms of benefit or harm caused to a being correspond directly with the satisfaction or frustration of one or more of its preferences. Since a capacity to experience the sensations of suffering or satisfaction is a prerequisite to having any preferences at all, and a fetus, at least up to around eighteen weeks, says Singer, has no capacity to suffer or feel satisfaction, it is not possible for such a fetus to hold any preferences at all. In a utilitarian calculation, there is nothing to weigh against a woman's preferences to have an abortion; therefore, abortion is morally permissible.

Similar to his argument for abortion, Singer argues that newborns lack the essential characteristics of personhood—"rationality, autonomy, and self-consciousness"[17]—and therefore "killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to killing a person, that is, a being who wants to go on living."[18]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer#Abortion.2C_euthanasia_and_infanticide
 
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CUBert

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This is how you're going to justify forcing women to have a child (even in the case of rape) ?

I wonder what the statistics are as far as unwanted children getting into crime and having a poor quality of life...
 

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I just love how the simple minded think that you have to be a religious neo con to be against abortion. That it's a left vs. right thing.".....


Say's the guy that hasn't made one good intelligent point that convinces me about taking freedom of choice away from women.


I think its cause, deep down you can't justify taking away that choice ether.
 

JLM

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Just as assisted-suicide should be allowed for terminally ill and suffering patients who have had enough of life, abortion should also be allowed for a mother who isn't able to provide an adequate life for a child.

Pretty much typical of your idiotic comments (that you have every right to post) :lol: And what about young couples who can't have children who would give their eye teeth to adopt. This subject is much bigger than one selfish mother. :smile:
 

CUBert

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Pretty much typical of your idiotic comments (that you have every right to post) :lol: And what about young couples who can't have children who would give their eye teeth to adopt. This subject is much bigger than one selfish mother. :smile:

Are you telling me then, a woman should be forced to have a child so to appease couples who can't have children?
 

JLM

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Well what's in a title anyway? Here we go!

Thousands of anti-abortion protesters thronged Parliament Hill and marched through the downtown on Thursday in what has become an annual rite.

It was the 14th year for the demonstration, which organizers call the “national march for life.”

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They have as much right to protest as anyone else and who knows!..........They might just save a life.
 

YukonJack

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Pretty much typical of your idiotic comments (that you have every right to post) :lol: And what about young couples who can't have children who would give their eye teeth to adopt. This subject is much bigger than one selfish mother. :smile:

Another sad fact is due to insane political correctness: It is virtually impossible for a Caucasian couple to adopt a black baby.
 

JLM

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Are you telling me then, a woman should be forced to have a child so to appease couples who can't have children?

Maybe she should if it's not dangerous to her physical health. Preventing pregnancy is as simple as two aspirins held tightly between the knees.
 

CUBert

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Another sad fact is due to insane political correctness: It is virtually impossible for a Caucasian couple to adopt a black baby.

What the hell are you talking about?

Maybe she should if it's not dangerous to her physical health. Preventing pregnancy is as simple as two aspirins held tightly between the knees.

Accidents can happen.. unwanted children generally don't do well in life, we shouldn't continue to encourage unwanted births.
 

Unforgiven

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Well what's in a title anyway? Here we go!

Thousands of anti-abortion protesters thronged Parliament Hill and marched through the downtown on Thursday in what has become an annual rite.

It was the 14th year for the demonstration, which organizers call the “national march for life.”

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They have as much right to protest as anyone else and who knows!..........They might just save a life.

Or ruin thousands.

your arm is part of your body....right?

Just for laughs and giggles....try to find a surgeon that will cut of a good arm for you.

You'll get thrown in the loony bin...

Yet a woman is allowed and even encouraged in some cases to remove a viable part of her body

Her body. Should you be allowed to do what you want with your body or not?
 

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It is wrong to kill an innocent human being.
A human fetus is an innocent human being.
Therefore it is wrong to kill a human fetus.


Don't many of the people who are rabidly against abortion also believe that we are all born sinners? That kinda knocks out the innocent human being argument, doesn't it?

Another sad fact is due to insane political correctness: It is virtually impossible for a Caucasian couple to adopt a black baby.

If you say so, although I know of a few adoption agencies and families that would beg to differ.
 

Unforgiven

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And just how would a protestor ruin your life? Some of them can be annoying and tedious, but wouldn't you walk away before ruination sets in? An intelligent person would. :smile:

By changing laws that force people to do or not do something with their own bodies.

Why should the government have the power to force a mistake you make to be life altering when it could be simply resolved without causing major upheaval?

Maybe we need to sort out adoption rules and regulations so that no child has to be neglected, abused shuffled around and forgotten before we rule out other options.