Here's the thing.
With enough pressure now, this can actually become an election issue and that will at least get the ball rolling.
The problem though is that the senate is not even the worst part of our constitution. Even I am of the mind that unless we're prepared to rewrite the Constitition, then let's just leave it as is. The senate is such a minor part of that rag we call the Canadian Constitution. Senate Reform won't happen in the next madate, but a smart government could prepare for it. For instance, recognizing that the separate school system is in violation of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights to which Canada is a member-state and that official bilingualism is based on the old residential-school era belief in "two founding races" to the explicit exclusion of "the Indians and the Esquimos" as defined by the B&B Commission in its Book I, General Introduction, Paragraph 21, the Government could establish a "Royal Commission on Religion and Language" to recommend, applying the knowledge gained from universal legal, educational, linguistic, economic, ecological, physiological, religious, and other fields, and taking into account the impact of its recommendations on unofficial religious, linguistic, and ethnic communities, the most just revisions to be made to the religious and linguistic provisions of the Constitution of Canada and its indigenous Treaties, and to Canada's international linguistic policies, so as to conform them to today's universal human rights declarations and the religious and moral sentiments of residents of Canada.
The final report that this Commission would publish would then prepare any future government that does decide to open the Constitution to reform the Senate. That way, once the floodgates of the Constitution are opened wide, the Government is prepared for it so as to make it less likely for it to just be a Meech Lake part II.
http://www.parl.gc.ca/content/lop/researchpublications/2011-83-e.pdf
this document agrees with Machjo, ie the vote would be none binding, and the provinces would have to be on board, but will the leftard and Libtard provinces do that without wanting something in return?
I'd hardly call the Catholic vote library's and leftards, nor even right wing nuts. The Catholic vote would be just that, the Catholic vote. Same with the English lobby in Quebec and the French lobby in Canada. They are neither right nor left, but rather religious, linguistic, or ethnic lobbies of various kinds.
If you followed Canadian Politics you would realize the NDP has never participated in the Senator sham and still endorse it's removal........
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Again, senate reform is small potato. I think we should get rid of the senate too, but not without reforming other far more problematic parts of the constitution that really make senate reform a truly minor matter.
It is a partisan issue though because the Cons and Liberals will look bad if the public outcry for abolition becomes an election
Why do you think conbots like Das keep trying to deter people from having this conversation?
We don't need just minor senate reform like the NDP seems to think. Opening the Constitution is long overdue. That rag is a mess that needs major revision on many points, senate reform being just the tip of the iceberg. Unless you're serious about constitutional reform, then let's not even waste our time on senate reform.
In fact, one reason I feel so unmotivated to vote in elections is that while our Constitution, the highest law in the kand, remains one big mess, politicians bicker over minor laws. In that sense, the differences even between the NDP and the Conservatives are superficial in comparison. I don't get how be op le can get all wound up between these parties when all of their fundamental policies are practically identical.
