Feds green light naked scanners


justinmb
#1
I was just scanning the news and came across this and found it interesting.
I travel to Germany every year for the past 5 with my wife to visit my in laws and each time we go to France Switzerland Italy and within the EU there are no borders and the Border between Switzerland is a pleasure to go through if driving and if taking the train there I have never been stopped.
my point is in the last hundred years there have been two major wars yet they have been able to put this aside and work together and yet we are all treated like terrorist to go to the States I personally think its not worth the hassle and there are many in Europe and probably the world who think the same. Although I am sure we will have to be scanned no matter where we go now look out for Big Brother.


Read it for yourself and chime in I think in the coming weeks this will cause a lot of discussion





OTTAWA Ė The federal government will purchase 44 virtual strip-search scanners for Canada's major airports, Transport Minister John Baird announced Tuesday.
The $250,000-a-piece full-body scanners will be placed in some airports, including Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton and Halifax, as early as next week.
The Conservative government's announcement comes on the heels of Britain and the Netherlands saying they will also begin using the scanners in response to the failed Christmas Day bombing of a US aircraft on route to Detroit.
Junior Transport Minister Rob Merrifield says the scanners would have detected explosives strapped to
Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.
The Canadian Air Transport Security Authority (CATSA) had announced plans to purchase a few scanners last spring, after it implemented a pilot study at the Kelowna International airport in 2007 and 2008.



The government rushed its order after the Christmas Day scare.
The full body scanners see through passengersí clothing and have privacy advocates alarmed.
"It sees through fabric. It can see your genitals," said Micheal Vonn, the policy director of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association.
The government said children under 18 won't be subject to the search.
Merrifield said privacy concerns will be mitigated because naked images will be viewed by an isolated officer and won't be kept or transferred.
The government decided not to purchase genital blurring technologies because it defeats the purpose, a CATSA spokesman said.
The plan right now is to deploy the machines as a mandatory secondary alternative for all U.S. bound passengers, Transport Canada spokesman Patrick Charette said.
Charette said travellers will be allowed to choose between a pat-down or going through the virtual strip search.
 
justinmb
#2
I thought I would add this comes from "CANOE.CA"
 
Kakato
#3
I dont have a problem with them if it makes the skys safe from cowards that want to kill innocent people in the name of their god because were considered infidels in their religion.
 
lone wolf
#4
If you can't see pubes 'n' pimples, you're not seeing everything....
 
shadowshiv
#5
No surprise here. It was only a matter of time before this became implemented everywhere(or in the majority of airports). I would rather be subjected to this(as embarrassing as it would be) than get blown up while flying to wherever it is that I am going.
 
Kakato
#6
I would rather have someone look at my junk then the plane blow in half at 30,000 feet.
 
Colpy
#7
Idiotic.

Has ANY terrorist been caught by scanners of ANY type.....I don't think so.

Idiotic.
 
justinmb
#8
I personally am not to worried about being blown up it is kind of like being worried I will be hit by a car or shot randomly in the street (which there is a better chance of) I cannot change the out come and i find it more worrisome that the media or government has so many people so scared that they can implement such blatant privacy invasion and we actually think its a good idea next thing you know they will put them in bars/ hotels and all public buildings the Gestapo used to invade privacy like that in the begining and then it turned ugly I am not comparing our government to Nazies but one can see the similar tactics fear mongering and the stepping on of civil liberties.

It is a slippery slope we tread.
 
gerryh
#9
anybody know who makes these scanners? just wondering who is profiting from the continued paranoia.
 
Kakato
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Idiotic.

Has ANY terrorist been caught by scanners of ANY type.....I don't think so.

Idiotic.

Give it a couple months.
 
Ron in Regina
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

anybody know who makes these scanners? just wondering who is profiting from the continued paranoia.


Great question Gerryh. Follow the Money.... AS&E: Advanced X-ray Inspection Systems (external - login to view)



Backscatter body scanners, manufactured by American Science & Engineering Inc.
 
Kakato
#12
It's really the best technology out there now to keep us safe so who care's where it's made?
 
Ron in Regina
#13
This is the version that I'm most familiar with....these and the portable versions or the
same things: Sentry Portal Screening System for Cargo (external - login to view)

These have been around for quite a while now. Nobody has said "boo" about it....
 
Kakato
#14
Choppers airport security,is it coming to this?

YouTube - Chopper Read Parody - Airport Security

 
Spade
#15
This is an overreaction.
 
SirJosephPorter
#16
We had a heated discussion about this very subject a while ago.

forums.canadiancontent.net/ne...-scanners.html (external - login to view)

At that time the general tenor of the discussion seemed to be that full body scanners were going too far, it is an unwarranted intrusion of peoples’ privacy. I was one of the few arguing in their favor (but then I often enjoy taking a contrarian view).

Now the tenor of this tread seems to be totally different, majority of posters seem to be in favor of it. There is noting like a terrorist attack to focus peoples’ minds.
Last edited by SirJosephPorter; Jan 5th, 2010 at 08:35 PM..
 
Dexter Sinister
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Idiotic.

Has ANY terrorist been caught by scanners of ANY type.....I don't think so.

Idiotic.

Absolutely right. These security technologies are always designed to catch the previous terrorist, not the next one. Those people know how they're going to be scanned and they find ways around it. You can hang a long list of nasty labels on them, but stupid isn't one of them.
 
Cliffy
#18
I'm with Colpy on this one. It is just plain stupid. Big Brother has already won. Line up for your tracking chip implants. Getting out of bed in the morning could be hazardous to life and limb. You can be killed any number of ways during any given day but you don't think about that either. What difference does it make if you get run over or blown up? Its just another chip away at your freedom. It is going fast. Be the first one on your block to be Big Brother's little bum boy.
 
SirJosephPorter
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Absolutely right. These security technologies are always designed to catch the previous terrorist, not the next one. Those people know how they're going to be scanned and they find ways around it. You can hang a long list of nasty labels on them, but stupid isn't one of them.

But that is all we can do, Dexter. We have to be reactive in this matter, we canít be proactive. We can only respond to threats as they arise.

If we try to imagine what kind of threat the terrorist will pose in the future and try to take preemptive action, there are several problems associated with that. For one, it will be very difficult to justify spending millions or billions of dollars on some preventive technology when there isnít a threat, people wonít go for it. Now that there has been a terrorist attempt, people will support the introduction of body scanners, but before the terrorist attempt, the support for body scanners was a lot less.

Another problem would be that governments will have to outline what kind of threat they are anticipating, in order to take preventive actions. That by itself may give terrorists ideas, whereas before they did not think in those terms, when government unleashed its preventive apparatus, that may get terrorists thinking along those directions.

We can only be reactive. It is an unending game. Terrorists come up with some threat, in response governments round the world take action, then terrorists think up a way of circumventing those measures, in response to that, governments take further measures and so on.
 
TenPenny
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

But that is all we can do, Dexter. We have to be reactive in this matter, we canít be proactive. We can only respond to threats as they arise.


Okay, let's be reactive.

Let's react to the idea that his father reported him as suspicious to US authorities, but nothing happened.
Let's react to the idea that apparently, his name was supposed to be on a no-fly list, but if it was, nothing happened.
Let's react to the idea that he obviously wasn't screened or searched very well.

And let's react to that by implementing another layer of expensive, intrusive security.

It's like the Liberal's solution to everything: just add another layer of bureaucracy.
 
Dexter Sinister
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

But that is all we can do, Dexter.

I don't think that's true. We rely too much on technological solutions and don't pay enough attention to subtleties of human behavior and the information we already have about real and suspected terrorists. The Israelis, as prime targets for this sort of attack, have focused much more on those aspects, and seem to be doing a pretty good job.
 
Spade
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

Okay, let's be reactive.

Let's react to the idea that his father reported him as suspicious to US authorities, but nothing happened.
Let's react to the idea that apparently, his name was supposed to be on a no-fly list, but if it was, nothing happened.
Let's react to the idea that he obviously wasn't screened or searched very well.

And let's react to that by implementing another layer of expensive, intrusive security.

It's like the Liberal's solution to everything: just add another layer of bureaucracy.

I agree with everything you say, except I believe we have a Conservative government.
 
Tonington
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

I don't think that's true. We rely too much on technological solutions and don't pay enough attention to subtleties of human behavior and the information we already have about real and suspected terrorists. The Israelis, as prime targets for this sort of attack, have focused much more on those aspects, and seem to be doing a pretty good job.

Did you see that El Al representative on CBC? He said essentially the same thing. We don't need expensive technology, we need well trained security personnel. Maybe they need to post the equivalent of wanted posters inside the airports when they get information about folks like this panty bomber. His dad seems like a pretty credible source, FFS!
 
TenPenny
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

I agree with everything you say, except I believe we have a Conservative government.

Indeed we do, and their solution to this 'problem' is just like the Liberal's solution to every problem.
 
damngrumpy
#25
An over reaction? The reason we have no one captured is because terrorists have
for the most part not been able to find a way to get on board. Its a good thing to
prevent these idiots from boarding a plane with bombs. I don't care if the put me
through the system, as long as they get me to the other end safely. My problem is
the governments are trying to be so inclusive. We know the groups primarily who
are attempting to kill civilians, they are called Muslims a religion, we know is
violent and without conscience, and dedicated to dominate the world. Profile them
to the ends of the earth, in the meantime scan everyone.
 
JLM
#26
Huge waste of money. They will just do something different like blow up cruise ships or movie theatres.
 
Tonington
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

We know the groups primarily who
are attempting to kill civilians, they are called Muslims a religion, we know is
violent and without conscience, and dedicated to dominate the world. Profile them
to the ends of the earth, in the meantime scan everyone.

As Dex said, they aren't stupid. What does a Muslim look like anyways?



Will this sign work?
 
Dexter Sinister
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Did you see that El Al representative on CBC? He said essentially the same thing.

No I didn't, wish I had, but I watch so little tv I miss most things like that. I read the Globe&Mail every day though, and it's reported several times recently on this in some detail, and cited several Israeli security people as sources.
 
SirJosephPorter
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

I don't think that's true. We rely too much on technological solutions and don't pay enough attention to subtleties of human behavior and the information we already have about real and suspected terrorists. The Israelis, as prime targets for this sort of attack, have focused much more on those aspects, and seem to be doing a pretty good job.

That is all true, and perhaps more attention should be paid to the human factor. However, as far as technology is concerned, all we can do is be reactive.
 
bobnoorduyn
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

I agree with everything you say, except I believe we have a Conservative government.

But if you look closely, these scanners are destined for airports with US customs pre clearance. It is a reaction to the demands of our neighbours to the south.
 

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