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May 15th, 2008, 10:25 AM
Bob Ray is jewish and and at present his comment is politically motivated. If he were to become Prime Minister ??? First he is NDP, Remember the RAY Days--he opened civil worker contracts but left bussiness alone--now he is a Liberal
Does Bob have dual citizenship?
Bob Ray is jewish and and at present his comment is politically motivated. If he were to become Prime Minister ??? First he is NDP, Remember the RAY Days--he opened civil worker contracts but left bussiness alone--now he is a Liberal
Does Bob have dual citizenship?
Mighty Intellect
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May 15th, 2008, 10:29 AM
Quoting einmensch
Bob Rae?? I had no idea!!!
Bob Ray is jewish and and at present his comment is politically motivated. If he were to become Prime Minister ??? First he is NDP, Remember the RAY Days--he opened civil worker contracts but left bussiness alone--now he is a Liberal
Does Bob have dual citizenship?
Does Bob have dual citizenship?
Newbie
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Location: NYC Area
Location: NYC Area
May 15th, 2008, 06:20 PM
Now, dual citizenship with which country?
Quoting einmensch
Bob Rae's wife is Jewish. Bob Rae is not.
Bob Ray is jewish and and at present his comment is politically motivated. If he were to become Prime Minister ??? First he is NDP, Remember the RAY Days--he opened civil worker contracts but left bussiness alone--now he is a Liberal
Does Bob have dual citizenship?
Does Bob have dual citizenship?
Now, dual citizenship with which country?
Genius
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Location: Red Deer AB
May 16th, 2008, 12:07 AM
"Upon his marriage to Arlene, Bob Rae agreed to raise his children in his wife's Jewish faith, though he himself is an Anglican.[1]"
Since religious affiliation is mentioned too bad it wasn't stated what kind of Christian he is , sheep or goat?
If religion doesn't play a role in their ability to serve the people paying them then it doesn't matter for one to be Jewish, at the same time that should apply to any religion. If somebody is hired to take some money and shuffle it around a bit and give it back to those same people then religion is benign. If those people only get a portion back and some is siphoned off, in round about ways, then religion does start to play a factor, and not in a good light. That is the duality issue.
Quoting JBG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Rae
Bob Rae's wife is Jewish. Bob Rae is not.
Now, dual citizenship with which country?
Now, dual citizenship with which country?
"Upon his marriage to Arlene, Bob Rae agreed to raise his children in his wife's Jewish faith, though he himself is an Anglican.[1]"
Since religious affiliation is mentioned too bad it wasn't stated what kind of Christian he is , sheep or goat?
If religion doesn't play a role in their ability to serve the people paying them then it doesn't matter for one to be Jewish, at the same time that should apply to any religion. If somebody is hired to take some money and shuffle it around a bit and give it back to those same people then religion is benign. If those people only get a portion back and some is siphoned off, in round about ways, then religion does start to play a factor, and not in a good light. That is the duality issue.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,680
May 16th, 2008, 12:49 AM
Why is religion important if you siphon off money?
Is embezzlement better or worse depending on someones religion?
Am I going to go, well he embezzled..but and I thought he was a dirty theiving "religion Y" so I wanted him hung, then it turned out he was "religion X" just like me, so we baked him a cake instead because its ok.
Why is religion important if you siphon off money?
Is embezzlement better or worse depending on someones religion?
Am I going to go, well he embezzled..but and I thought he was a dirty theiving "religion Y" so I wanted him hung, then it turned out he was "religion X" just like me, so we baked him a cake instead because its ok.
Genius
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Location: Red Deer AB
May 16th, 2008, 10:28 AM
Religion becomes a concern (when playing with tax-dollars) if one group (lets call them Jews) gets extra money (grants, memorials built, or any special status) or can influence if members of that group gets contracts awarded to them because they are also Jewish, even though another company was lower in the bidding or was simple better at the job in question.
Any Gentile is going to get fairer treatment from a Christian-Jew than a non-Christian Jew, nowhere is that ever stated when it comes to which group is demanding special consideration.
If anybody deserves special status in Canada it is the Native people and we all know how badly that issue is going.
Religion becomes a concern (when playing with tax-dollars) if one group (lets call them Jews) gets extra money (grants, memorials built, or any special status) or can influence if members of that group gets contracts awarded to them because they are also Jewish, even though another company was lower in the bidding or was simple better at the job in question.
Any Gentile is going to get fairer treatment from a Christian-Jew than a non-Christian Jew, nowhere is that ever stated when it comes to which group is demanding special consideration.
If anybody deserves special status in Canada it is the Native people and we all know how badly that issue is going.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
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Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 16th, 2008, 11:58 AM
Quoting MHz
Are you saying Jews have special status in Canada? Cause it sure sounds that way.......
Religion becomes a concern (when playing with tax-dollars) if one group (lets call them Jews) gets extra money (grants, memorials built, or any special status) or can influence if members of that group gets contracts awarded to them because they are also Jewish, even though another company was lower in the bidding or was simple better at the job in question.
Any Gentile is going to get fairer treatment from a Christian-Jew than a non-Christian Jew, nowhere is that ever stated when it comes to which group is demanding special consideration.
If anybody deserves special status in Canada it is the Native people and we all know how badly that issue is going.
Any Gentile is going to get fairer treatment from a Christian-Jew than a non-Christian Jew, nowhere is that ever stated when it comes to which group is demanding special consideration.
If anybody deserves special status in Canada it is the Native people and we all know how badly that issue is going.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,680
May 16th, 2008, 12:33 PM
Technically they do.
As do Sihks, Muslims, French, any visible minority, Natives, Women, the Disabled...
I've yet to ever see this "vast jewish conspiracy" where you think Jews give other Jews Special Deals
It reminds me of Eddie Murphy's 1984 SNL skit "White like me"
Where he goes undercover as a white person and finds out that when black people aren't around, white people do things like give each other free money, don't require people pay for things they want, have parties on the bus(etc)
Technically they do.
As do Sihks, Muslims, French, any visible minority, Natives, Women, the Disabled...
I've yet to ever see this "vast jewish conspiracy" where you think Jews give other Jews Special Deals
It reminds me of Eddie Murphy's 1984 SNL skit "White like me"
Where he goes undercover as a white person and finds out that when black people aren't around, white people do things like give each other free money, don't require people pay for things they want, have parties on the bus(etc)
Steven Hawking's Tutor
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Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 16th, 2008, 12:35 PM
And I remember the skit....he goes to a bank disguised as a white man, and is told to take whatever he wants from the vault...
Quoting Zzarchov
Point taken....
Technically they do.
As do Sihks, Muslims, French, any visible minority, Natives, Women, the Disabled...
I've yet to ever see this "vast jewish conspiracy" where you think Jews give other Jews Special Deals
It reminds me of Eddie Murphy's 1984 SNL skit "White like me"
Where he goes undercover as a white person and finds out that when black people aren't around, white people do things like give each other free money, don't require people pay for things they want, have parties on the bus(etc)
As do Sihks, Muslims, French, any visible minority, Natives, Women, the Disabled...
I've yet to ever see this "vast jewish conspiracy" where you think Jews give other Jews Special Deals
It reminds me of Eddie Murphy's 1984 SNL skit "White like me"
Where he goes undercover as a white person and finds out that when black people aren't around, white people do things like give each other free money, don't require people pay for things they want, have parties on the bus(etc)
And I remember the skit....he goes to a bank disguised as a white man, and is told to take whatever he wants from the vault...
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 4,484
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
May 16th, 2008, 02:10 PM
Y'know, Colpy and Zorch, you two are so busy looking between the lines for anything to interpret as anti semitism that you, yourselves, have become the Jew-haters in here. That makes you both propagandists and no longer worth the attention you demand. It's from idiots like you two that misunderstanding, hate then war is born. Sounds like you slept through a class or two (or paid someone to warm the seat for you) Why don't you both grow up?
Y'know, Colpy and Zorch, you two are so busy looking between the lines for anything to interpret as anti semitism that you, yourselves, have become the Jew-haters in here. That makes you both propagandists and no longer worth the attention you demand. It's from idiots like you two that misunderstanding, hate then war is born. Sounds like you slept through a class or two (or paid someone to warm the seat for you) Why don't you both grow up?
Steven Hawking's Tutor
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May 16th, 2008, 02:41 PM
And what the Hell brought that on.....an Eddie Murphy skit?
Up your medication.
BAD DOG!
Quoting lone wolf
KMA
Y'know, Colpy and Zorch, you two are so busy looking between the lines for anything to interpret as anti semitism that you, yourselves, have become the Jew-haters in here. That makes you both propagandists and no longer worth the attention you demand. It's from idiots like you two that misunderstanding, hate then war is born. Sounds like you slept through a class or two (or paid someone to warm the seat for you) Why don't you both grow up?
And what the Hell brought that on.....an Eddie Murphy skit?
Up your medication.
BAD DOG!
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 4,484
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
May 16th, 2008, 05:05 PM
Up your ass!
Quoting Colpy
Nope ... your continual hovering waiting to swipe at anyone who has an opinion. See, even if that thought differs from or brushes against yours, we're still entitled to our own. KMA
And what the Hell brought that on.....an Eddie Murphy skit?
Up your medication.
BAD DOG!
And what the Hell brought that on.....an Eddie Murphy skit?
Up your medication.
BAD DOG!
Up your ass!
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,680
May 18th, 2008, 04:29 PM
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
I have no problems with opinions opposed to my own. Ones based on facts that are correct. As much as I disagree with Earth as ones opinions, they are logical and based on facts.
The difference with your opinions, is that they are not based on facts. So I point out the facts.
This makes you annoyed, you also became very hostile after you let it slip that you do have racist and bigoted feelings towards certain groups. Then you became very defensive about that aspect of yourself.
I find the irony in your statement of victimization. You are allowed your opinon, but then I am not allowed my own? You can comment on my opinions, but no one can count on yours?
Grow up, then read a book. I find your baseless and instantly laughable attempts to imply "the facts are all there I just don't have time to explain them" humourous, I KNOW how much I read, and it is very unlikely there is too much more I could read that isn't classified that would give me a deeper understanding of the situation.
Just grow up and learn to accept that you are not the master of the world and people do not have to bow down to your opinions, not leave your "Facts" unchallenged. If they are wrong, take it as a compliment if someone points that out and learn from it.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
I have no problems with opinions opposed to my own. Ones based on facts that are correct. As much as I disagree with Earth as ones opinions, they are logical and based on facts.
The difference with your opinions, is that they are not based on facts. So I point out the facts.
This makes you annoyed, you also became very hostile after you let it slip that you do have racist and bigoted feelings towards certain groups. Then you became very defensive about that aspect of yourself.
I find the irony in your statement of victimization. You are allowed your opinon, but then I am not allowed my own? You can comment on my opinions, but no one can count on yours?
Grow up, then read a book. I find your baseless and instantly laughable attempts to imply "the facts are all there I just don't have time to explain them" humourous, I KNOW how much I read, and it is very unlikely there is too much more I could read that isn't classified that would give me a deeper understanding of the situation.
Just grow up and learn to accept that you are not the master of the world and people do not have to bow down to your opinions, not leave your "Facts" unchallenged. If they are wrong, take it as a compliment if someone points that out and learn from it.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,416
May 18th, 2008, 04:44 PM
Z or anyone else,
Can anyone find a site which references how the number "6 million Jews" was calculated? I can find many references to the number itself, but I can't find any information about the how that number was calculated and its degree of accuracy.
I can find all kinds of evience that Jews were systematically discriminated against, detained and exterminated along with millions of other people. But most websites refence the number as if it was a proven fact. That may be so. But where is this proof? I've never seen it and I've looked.
A peer reviewed estimate of Jewish holocaust victims should describe the way the number was calculated with a statistcal mean and level of accuracy.
For example:
Z or anyone else,
Can anyone find a site which references how the number "6 million Jews" was calculated? I can find many references to the number itself, but I can't find any information about the how that number was calculated and its degree of accuracy.
I can find all kinds of evience that Jews were systematically discriminated against, detained and exterminated along with millions of other people. But most websites refence the number as if it was a proven fact. That may be so. But where is this proof? I've never seen it and I've looked.
A peer reviewed estimate of Jewish holocaust victims should describe the way the number was calculated with a statistcal mean and level of accuracy.
For example:
Quote:
Lancet surveys of Iraq War casualties
The first survey[1] published on 29 October 2004, estimated 98,000 excess Iraqi deaths (with a range of 8,000 to 194,000, using a 95% confidence interval (CI)) from the 2003 invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq to that time, or about 50% higher than the death rate prior to the invasion. The authors described this as a conservative estimate, because it excluded the extreme statistical outlier data from Falluja. If the Falluja cluster were included, the mortality estimate would increase to 150% over pre-invasion rates (95% CI: 1.6 to 4.2).
The second survey[2][3][4] published on 11 October 2006, estimated 654,965 excess deaths related to the war, or 2.5% of the population, through the end of June 2006. The new study applied similar methods and involved surveys between May 20 and July 10, 2006.[4] More households were surveyed, allowing for a 95% confidence interval of 392,979 to 942,636 excess Iraqi deaths. 601,027 deaths (range of 426,369 to 793,663 using a 95% confidence interval) were due to violence. 31% of those were attributed to the Coalition, 24% to others, 46% unknown. The causes of violent deaths were gunshot (56%), car bomb (13%), other explosion/ordnance (14%), air strike (13%), accident (2%), unknown (2%).
The Lancet surveys are controversial largely because their mortality figures are much higher than those in other reports that used different methodologies, including those of the Iraq Body Count project, the United Nations, and the Iraqi Ministry of Health. Out of all the Iraqi casualty estimates so far, the Lancet surveys two of the three peer-reviewed estimates on the total Iraqi civilian deaths following the invasion. The Lancet surveys have been supported by many epidemiologists[5] and statisticians, as well as the September 2007 ORB survey. ORB used a survey method, as did the Lancet authors, and ORB also produced a high estimate of Iraqi deaths....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_...f_the_Iraq_War
The first survey[1] published on 29 October 2004, estimated 98,000 excess Iraqi deaths (with a range of 8,000 to 194,000, using a 95% confidence interval (CI)) from the 2003 invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq to that time, or about 50% higher than the death rate prior to the invasion. The authors described this as a conservative estimate, because it excluded the extreme statistical outlier data from Falluja. If the Falluja cluster were included, the mortality estimate would increase to 150% over pre-invasion rates (95% CI: 1.6 to 4.2).
The second survey[2][3][4] published on 11 October 2006, estimated 654,965 excess deaths related to the war, or 2.5% of the population, through the end of June 2006. The new study applied similar methods and involved surveys between May 20 and July 10, 2006.[4] More households were surveyed, allowing for a 95% confidence interval of 392,979 to 942,636 excess Iraqi deaths. 601,027 deaths (range of 426,369 to 793,663 using a 95% confidence interval) were due to violence. 31% of those were attributed to the Coalition, 24% to others, 46% unknown. The causes of violent deaths were gunshot (56%), car bomb (13%), other explosion/ordnance (14%), air strike (13%), accident (2%), unknown (2%).
The Lancet surveys are controversial largely because their mortality figures are much higher than those in other reports that used different methodologies, including those of the Iraq Body Count project, the United Nations, and the Iraqi Ministry of Health. Out of all the Iraqi casualty estimates so far, the Lancet surveys two of the three peer-reviewed estimates on the total Iraqi civilian deaths following the invasion. The Lancet surveys have been supported by many epidemiologists[5] and statisticians, as well as the September 2007 ORB survey. ORB used a survey method, as did the Lancet authors, and ORB also produced a high estimate of Iraqi deaths....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_...f_the_Iraq_War
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 4,484
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
May 18th, 2008, 05:03 PM
Quoting Zzarchov
Zorch: You point out little in the way of facts. You manipulate words and use them out of context in your effort to discredit that which you are not intelligent enough to counter. I agree that I post very to the point and not quite politically correct. Truths come that way. Several times I have challenged you to quote the message in which you interpreted bigotry. As yet, you have been too much a coward to do so. If Scroll Up isn't too complicated for your pea brain to comprehend, go back and read your own manure. In short, Zorch, you are a troll. I choose to ignore your crap.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
I have no problems with opinions opposed to my own. Ones based on facts that are correct. As much as I disagree with Earth as ones opinions, they are logical and based on facts.
The difference with your opinions, is that they are not based on facts. So I point out the facts.
This makes you annoyed, you also became very hostile after you let it slip that you do have racist and bigoted feelings towards certain groups. Then you became very defensive about that aspect of yourself.
I find the irony in your statement of victimization. You are allowed your opinon, but then I am not allowed my own? You can comment on my opinions, but no one can count on yours?
Grow up, then read a book. I find your baseless and instantly laughable attempts to imply "the facts are all there I just don't have time to explain them" humourous, I KNOW how much I read, and it is very unlikely there is too much more I could read that isn't classified that would give me a deeper understanding of the situation.
Just grow up and learn to accept that you are not the master of the world and people do not have to bow down to your opinions, not leave your "Facts" unchallenged. If they are wrong, take it as a compliment if someone points that out and learn from it.
I have no problems with opinions opposed to my own. Ones based on facts that are correct. As much as I disagree with Earth as ones opinions, they are logical and based on facts.
The difference with your opinions, is that they are not based on facts. So I point out the facts.
This makes you annoyed, you also became very hostile after you let it slip that you do have racist and bigoted feelings towards certain groups. Then you became very defensive about that aspect of yourself.
I find the irony in your statement of victimization. You are allowed your opinon, but then I am not allowed my own? You can comment on my opinions, but no one can count on yours?
Grow up, then read a book. I find your baseless and instantly laughable attempts to imply "the facts are all there I just don't have time to explain them" humourous, I KNOW how much I read, and it is very unlikely there is too much more I could read that isn't classified that would give me a deeper understanding of the situation.
Just grow up and learn to accept that you are not the master of the world and people do not have to bow down to your opinions, not leave your "Facts" unchallenged. If they are wrong, take it as a compliment if someone points that out and learn from it.
Knows Too Much
Posts: 2,313
May 18th, 2008, 08:08 PM
Quoting earth_as_one
Interesting way to take the opportunity to slip that in.
For example:
Quote:
Lancet surveys of Iraq War casualties
