Knows Too Much
Posts: 2,382 
May 10th, 2008, 10:40 PM
Thanks!!
Quoting MHz
Very interesting digest, but what facts did I not get straight? I would like to know so that I can update my records.
LOL, get your facts straight, the 12 tribes that will fall are part of the 1/3 of mankind that the 4 unbound angels of the 6th trump kill, roughly 2B at todays count. Somebody recently said there were less than 20M Jews, even increasing that number to allow for other tribes still leaves a fair share of Gentiles in that group. Christ then kills 2/3 of all that are alive at His return, that is just Gentiles, not one from the 12 tribes is in that group.
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Newbie
Posts: 6
Location: NYC Area
Location: NYC Area
May 11th, 2008, 06:51 AM
Quoting Praxius
Well last I checked, everybody was equally welcome to come and live in Canada and if many Muslims are coming here to live, then that's how it goes. What does he want us to do? Close our borders to people who are Muslim just so he can voice his side of arguments better with little opposition? Seems a tad racist to me.
"Baker told CTV's Mike Duffy Live that Muslim communities have impacted foreign policy in countries like Britain, France and Scandanavia -- and that he "fears" Canada might follow."
^ Well wtf? They're not supposed to have a say in things or have a voice at all in the countries in which they live? Should we only be listening to Israel and the Jewish community and ignore the other side of the arguments they present that might relate to Muslims in that area?
Seems to me like racism has come full circle in the Jewish community.
I think thta if someone makes a decision to come to a new land, they should adopt the values of the new land rather than trying to make the new land adapt to them. They should not bring their "motherland" conflicts and wars to a country they are moving to.
Well last I checked, everybody was equally welcome to come and live in Canada and if many Muslims are coming here to live, then that's how it goes. What does he want us to do? Close our borders to people who are Muslim just so he can voice his side of arguments better with little opposition? Seems a tad racist to me.
"Baker told CTV's Mike Duffy Live that Muslim communities have impacted foreign policy in countries like Britain, France and Scandanavia -- and that he "fears" Canada might follow."
^ Well wtf? They're not supposed to have a say in things or have a voice at all in the countries in which they live? Should we only be listening to Israel and the Jewish community and ignore the other side of the arguments they present that might relate to Muslims in that area?
Seems to me like racism has come full circle in the Jewish community.
Knows Too Much
Posts: 2,382
May 11th, 2008, 09:37 AM
And for the record, not just anybody can get in to Canada. I have family in England, well educated, employed, plenty of money and sponsors in Canada, who couldn't get in. Should they be screaming "anglophobia!!!"?
Quoting earth_as_one
We choose to be flexible, we don't have to be. Part of being flexible is the ability to bar anything or anyone that's here to bite us in the ass. That's just common sense.
That means Canada and Canadians have to be flexible.
And for the record, not just anybody can get in to Canada. I have family in England, well educated, employed, plenty of money and sponsors in Canada, who couldn't get in. Should they be screaming "anglophobia!!!"?
Quote:
That's not very accomodating of you!
Accomodating other cultures and languages rather than assimilation is the Canadian way. If you don't like it, well you can leave Canada and move to a more intolerant country.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,982
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 11th, 2008, 09:46 AM
One needs to deal with reality here......the influx of devout Muslims will change the entire character of your society. Now, of course, 99.99 percent of Muslim immigrants would be physically harmless..........decent people. BUT their religion, their culture is not one that meshes well with a secular society, not one that adapts easily to liberty for all, not one built on the foundation of choice..........
After all, Islam means "submission".
Should we allow our free secular society to be undermined in the name of political correctness?
This is what people don't understand when they consider the society of Israel and the Arab world.
Israel are us.
Islam is not.
Quoting Just the Facts
Your family is exactly the type of non-refugee immigrant we should be looking for.
We choose to be flexible, we don't have to be. Part of being flexible is the ability to bar anything or anyone that's here to bite us in the ass. That's just common sense.
And for the record, not just anybody can get in to Canada. I have family in England, well educated, employed, plenty of money and sponsors in Canada, who couldn't get in. Should they be screaming "anglophobia!!!"?
That's not very accomodating of you!
And for the record, not just anybody can get in to Canada. I have family in England, well educated, employed, plenty of money and sponsors in Canada, who couldn't get in. Should they be screaming "anglophobia!!!"?
That's not very accomodating of you!
One needs to deal with reality here......the influx of devout Muslims will change the entire character of your society. Now, of course, 99.99 percent of Muslim immigrants would be physically harmless..........decent people. BUT their religion, their culture is not one that meshes well with a secular society, not one that adapts easily to liberty for all, not one built on the foundation of choice..........
After all, Islam means "submission".
Should we allow our free secular society to be undermined in the name of political correctness?
This is what people don't understand when they consider the society of Israel and the Arab world.
Israel are us.
Islam is not.
Grossly Underrated
Posts: 4,815
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
May 11th, 2008, 09:58 AM
Quoting Colpy
You interpreted and manipulated my politically incorrect observations into crap that bears no resemblance to that which was said so you can point and scream: "Bigot!", then you post something like this???? What colour is your bedsheet and pointy hat?
Your family is exactly the type of non-refugee immigrant we should be looking for.
One needs to deal with reality here......the influx of devout Muslims will change the entire character of your society. Now, of course, 99.99 percent of Muslim immigrants would be physically harmless..........decent people. BUT their religion, their culture is not one that meshes well with a secular society, not one that adapts easily to liberty for all, not one built on the foundation of choice..........
After all, Islam means "submission".
Should we allow our free secular society to be undermined in the name of political correctness?
This is what people don't understand when they consider the society of Israel and the Arab world.
Israel are us.
Islam is not.
One needs to deal with reality here......the influx of devout Muslims will change the entire character of your society. Now, of course, 99.99 percent of Muslim immigrants would be physically harmless..........decent people. BUT their religion, their culture is not one that meshes well with a secular society, not one that adapts easily to liberty for all, not one built on the foundation of choice..........
After all, Islam means "submission".
Should we allow our free secular society to be undermined in the name of political correctness?
This is what people don't understand when they consider the society of Israel and the Arab world.
Israel are us.
Islam is not.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,475
May 11th, 2008, 10:01 AM
Canada isn't a British colony. All potential immigrants have to go through the same process. White people shouldn't get preferential treatment. Your relatives have to compete with other highly qualified potential immigrants. I wish them luck.
Canadian Law regarding Mulitculturalism
Canada isn't a British colony. All potential immigrants have to go through the same process. White people shouldn't get preferential treatment. Your relatives have to compete with other highly qualified potential immigrants. I wish them luck.
Canadian Law regarding Mulitculturalism
Quote:
I'm proud of this document. Canada is a tolerant country where we respect each other and our differences.
Canadian Multiculturalism Act
R.S., 1985, c. 24 (4th Supp.)
[C-18.7]
An Act for the preservation and enhancement of multiculturalism in Canada
[1988, c. 31, assented to 21st July, 1988]
.........
.........
...MULTICULTURALISM POLICY OF CANADA
Multiculturalism policy
3. (1) It is hereby declared to be the policy of the Government of Canada to
(a) recognize and promote the understanding that multiculturalism reflects the cultural and racial diversity of Canadian society and acknowledges the freedom of all members of Canadian society to preserve, enhance and share their cultural heritage;
(b) recognize and promote the understanding that multiculturalism is a fundamental characteristic of the Canadian heritage and identity and that it provides an invaluable resource in the shaping of Canada's future;
(c) promote the full and equitable participation of individuals and communities of all origins in the continuing evolution and shaping of all aspects of Canadian society and assist them in the elimination of any barrier to that participation;
(d) recognize the existence of communities whose members share a common origin and their historic contribution to Canadian society, and enhance their development;
(e) ensure that all individuals receive equal treatment and equal protection under the law, while respecting and valuing their diversity;
(f) encourage and assist the social, cultural, economic and political institutions of Canada to be both respectful and inclusive of Canada's multicultural character;
(g) promote the understanding and creativity that arise from the interaction between individuals and communities of different origins;
(h) foster the recognition and appreciation of the diverse cultures of Canadian society and promote the reflection and the evolving expressions of those cultures;
(i) preserve and enhance the use of languages other than English and French, while strengthening the status and use of the official languages of Canada; and
(j) advance multiculturalism throughout Canada in harmony with the national commitment to the official languages of Canada...
http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/multi/policy/act_e.cfm
R.S., 1985, c. 24 (4th Supp.)
[C-18.7]
An Act for the preservation and enhancement of multiculturalism in Canada
[1988, c. 31, assented to 21st July, 1988]
.........
.........
...MULTICULTURALISM POLICY OF CANADA
Multiculturalism policy
3. (1) It is hereby declared to be the policy of the Government of Canada to
(a) recognize and promote the understanding that multiculturalism reflects the cultural and racial diversity of Canadian society and acknowledges the freedom of all members of Canadian society to preserve, enhance and share their cultural heritage;
(b) recognize and promote the understanding that multiculturalism is a fundamental characteristic of the Canadian heritage and identity and that it provides an invaluable resource in the shaping of Canada's future;
(c) promote the full and equitable participation of individuals and communities of all origins in the continuing evolution and shaping of all aspects of Canadian society and assist them in the elimination of any barrier to that participation;
(d) recognize the existence of communities whose members share a common origin and their historic contribution to Canadian society, and enhance their development;
(e) ensure that all individuals receive equal treatment and equal protection under the law, while respecting and valuing their diversity;
(f) encourage and assist the social, cultural, economic and political institutions of Canada to be both respectful and inclusive of Canada's multicultural character;
(g) promote the understanding and creativity that arise from the interaction between individuals and communities of different origins;
(h) foster the recognition and appreciation of the diverse cultures of Canadian society and promote the reflection and the evolving expressions of those cultures;
(i) preserve and enhance the use of languages other than English and French, while strengthening the status and use of the official languages of Canada; and
(j) advance multiculturalism throughout Canada in harmony with the national commitment to the official languages of Canada...
http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/multi/policy/act_e.cfm
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,982
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 11th, 2008, 10:10 AM
What we have built is a western society.....one with principles based on a 800 years of the development of respect for the rights of the individual, the supremacy of the people over their gov't............and liberty to do pretty well as you please...........far, far from the perfect large society.....but closer than anyone else has gotten.
As far as I'm concerned, I don't care about your colour, your race, your religion, your country of origin......as long as you come here with the intent of supporting adopting and supporting western values.....if not, GO AWAY!
Multi culturalism is a joke, and will mean trouble, if not disaster, if we allow unfettered immigration of Islam.....without ensuring their understanding and acceptance of our core values.
Just ask the Dutch.
Quoting earth_as_one
Which is the entire crux of the problem.....if one tries to be everything, they wind up being nothing.
Canada isn't a British colony. All potential immigrants have to go through the same process. White people shouldn't get preferential treatment. Your relatives have to compete with other highly qualified potential immigrants. I wish them luck.
Canadian Law regarding Mulitculturalism
I'm proud of this document. Canada is a tolerant country where we respect each other and our differences.
Canadian Law regarding Mulitculturalism
I'm proud of this document. Canada is a tolerant country where we respect each other and our differences.
What we have built is a western society.....one with principles based on a 800 years of the development of respect for the rights of the individual, the supremacy of the people over their gov't............and liberty to do pretty well as you please...........far, far from the perfect large society.....but closer than anyone else has gotten.
As far as I'm concerned, I don't care about your colour, your race, your religion, your country of origin......as long as you come here with the intent of supporting adopting and supporting western values.....if not, GO AWAY!
Multi culturalism is a joke, and will mean trouble, if not disaster, if we allow unfettered immigration of Islam.....without ensuring their understanding and acceptance of our core values.
Just ask the Dutch.
Grossly Underrated
Posts: 4,815
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
May 11th, 2008, 10:18 AM
Quoting Colpy
Woof!
Which is the entire crux of the problem.....if one tries to be everything, they wind up being nothing.
Evidenced by "holiday trees and season's greetings" or the basic Christian values upon which the nation was founded being tossed out the window to "reflect our changing face".
What we have built is a western society.....one with principles based on a 800 years of the development of respect for the rights of the individual, the supremacy of the people over their gov't............and liberty to do pretty well as you please...........far, far from the perfect large society.....but closer than anyone else has gotten.
Why have the Original People been overlooked?
As far as I'm concerned, I don't care about your colour, your race, your religion, your country of origin......as long as you come here with the intent of supporting adopting and supporting western values.....if not, GO AWAY!
Okay.... Here we can agree
Multi culturalism is a joke, and will mean trouble, if not disaster, if we allow unfettered immigration of Islam.....without ensuring their understanding and acceptance of our core values.
I've been saying this all along too
Just ask the Dutch.
Evidenced by "holiday trees and season's greetings" or the basic Christian values upon which the nation was founded being tossed out the window to "reflect our changing face".
What we have built is a western society.....one with principles based on a 800 years of the development of respect for the rights of the individual, the supremacy of the people over their gov't............and liberty to do pretty well as you please...........far, far from the perfect large society.....but closer than anyone else has gotten.
Why have the Original People been overlooked?
As far as I'm concerned, I don't care about your colour, your race, your religion, your country of origin......as long as you come here with the intent of supporting adopting and supporting western values.....if not, GO AWAY!
Okay.... Here we can agree
Multi culturalism is a joke, and will mean trouble, if not disaster, if we allow unfettered immigration of Islam.....without ensuring their understanding and acceptance of our core values.
I've been saying this all along too
Just ask the Dutch.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,612
May 11th, 2008, 10:23 AM
WHAT CORE VALUES!?
The core value that you can abuse native North Americans and lie for decades about treaties and agreements signed between "government" and native peoples?
The core value that says that it's perfectly OK to use the Chinese to do dangerous work and then hit them with an entry-fee....?
The core value that sayst that regardless of the numerous and abundant questions regarding the legitimacy of America's wars around the world...that we should as Canadians simply throw our support behind America's?
The core value that says that whatever corporations do to our environment is perfectly OK and we'll pretend through toothless legislation that we'll hold them accountable?
The core value that see's billions spent on militarism and junk submarines while the country goes broke feeding America's appetite for greed at the gas pumps...when we produce more than sufficient gasoline for our domestic market?
WHAT CORE VALUES?
WHAT CORE VALUES!?
The core value that you can abuse native North Americans and lie for decades about treaties and agreements signed between "government" and native peoples?
The core value that says that it's perfectly OK to use the Chinese to do dangerous work and then hit them with an entry-fee....?
The core value that sayst that regardless of the numerous and abundant questions regarding the legitimacy of America's wars around the world...that we should as Canadians simply throw our support behind America's?
The core value that says that whatever corporations do to our environment is perfectly OK and we'll pretend through toothless legislation that we'll hold them accountable?
The core value that see's billions spent on militarism and junk submarines while the country goes broke feeding America's appetite for greed at the gas pumps...when we produce more than sufficient gasoline for our domestic market?
WHAT CORE VALUES?
Genius
Posts: 821
Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
May 11th, 2008, 10:43 AM
Quoting Colpy
Just double checking that it was Europe over the last 800 years that you were referring to. Wasn't that more of a monarchy type society?
What we have built is a western society.....one with principles based on a 800 years of the development of respect for the rights of the individual, the supremacy of the people over their gov't............and liberty to do pretty well as you please...........far, far from the perfect large society.....but closer than anyone else has gotten..
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,982
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 11th, 2008, 10:50 AM
England more specifically.
And the limitations on the monarch's power......the beginning of the dispensation of his power to the people.....began at Runnymeade in 1215, when King John was forced to sign the Magna Carta.
Quoting MHz
Europe, yes.
Just double checking that it was Europe over the last 800 years that you were referring to. Wasn't that more of a monarchy type society?
England more specifically.
And the limitations on the monarch's power......the beginning of the dispensation of his power to the people.....began at Runnymeade in 1215, when King John was forced to sign the Magna Carta.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,837
May 11th, 2008, 10:56 AM
I would disagree, for instance, some of my family is from Catholic immigrants at a time when Catholicism was treated the same way by anti-immigration platform (Against the concept of democracy, their votes are controlled by the pope so they don't mesh with our ideals)
In the end its bull crap. Our society has no trouble integrating Muslims. One of my good friends is a third generation Muslim, this means that during Ramadan he drinks light beer and doesn't put bacon on his cheeseburger. The rest of the year, he does.
This is similar to how Im "christian" in that I buy crap for Christmas and eat chocolate on easter.
The issue is the self-created Ghettos. We need workers in the country everywhere but in three or four cities. So we bring in immigrants to fill those jobs..except they then settle in the same 3 or 4 cities forming their own ghetto's.
This isn't a charity, if we need immigrants in certain places and not others, tell people flat out. If you want to immigrate: Move where you are needed or stay out.
I don't care if your the Queen's nephew or a or a former member of the Chinese Army (though that may require some security checks to see about the "former" bit)
Quoting Colpy
Your family is exactly the type of non-refugee immigrant we should be looking for.
One needs to deal with reality here......the influx of devout Muslims will change the entire character of your society. Now, of course, 99.99 percent of Muslim immigrants would be physically harmless..........decent people. BUT their religion, their culture is not one that meshes well with a secular society, not one that adapts easily to liberty for all, not one built on the foundation of choice..........
After all, Islam means "submission".
Should we allow our free secular society to be undermined in the name of political correctness?
This is what people don't understand when they consider the society of Israel and the Arab world.
Israel are us.
Islam is not.
One needs to deal with reality here......the influx of devout Muslims will change the entire character of your society. Now, of course, 99.99 percent of Muslim immigrants would be physically harmless..........decent people. BUT their religion, their culture is not one that meshes well with a secular society, not one that adapts easily to liberty for all, not one built on the foundation of choice..........
After all, Islam means "submission".
Should we allow our free secular society to be undermined in the name of political correctness?
This is what people don't understand when they consider the society of Israel and the Arab world.
Israel are us.
Islam is not.
I would disagree, for instance, some of my family is from Catholic immigrants at a time when Catholicism was treated the same way by anti-immigration platform (Against the concept of democracy, their votes are controlled by the pope so they don't mesh with our ideals)
In the end its bull crap. Our society has no trouble integrating Muslims. One of my good friends is a third generation Muslim, this means that during Ramadan he drinks light beer and doesn't put bacon on his cheeseburger. The rest of the year, he does.
This is similar to how Im "christian" in that I buy crap for Christmas and eat chocolate on easter.
The issue is the self-created Ghettos. We need workers in the country everywhere but in three or four cities. So we bring in immigrants to fill those jobs..except they then settle in the same 3 or 4 cities forming their own ghetto's.
This isn't a charity, if we need immigrants in certain places and not others, tell people flat out. If you want to immigrate: Move where you are needed or stay out.
I don't care if your the Queen's nephew or a or a former member of the Chinese Army (though that may require some security checks to see about the "former" bit)
Genius
Posts: 821
Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
May 11th, 2008, 11:05 AM
Quoting Colpy
Didn't the owners of the 'coal-mines' of the industrial revolution have a somewhat different life-style than the ones who actually mined the coal?
Europe, yes.
England more specifically.
And the limitations on the monarch's power......the beginning of the dispensation of his power to the people.....began at Runnymeade in 1215, when King John was forced to sign the Magna Carta.
England more specifically.
And the limitations on the monarch's power......the beginning of the dispensation of his power to the people.....began at Runnymeade in 1215, when King John was forced to sign the Magna Carta.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,982
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 11th, 2008, 12:42 PM
No time to let those that oppose liberty get their hands around the throat of our baby....
How's that for a touching analogy?
Quoting MHz
It is a progression, not an instantaneous change......the Magna Carta only garaunteed rights of the nobility.....it is important because it was the first step in a continuing journey. We can never be secure in our liberty, we must guard it carefully......and watch over it, guiding it, as one would guide and watch a baby taking its first steps.......remember, the oldest modern democracy is only 232 years old.........and it only freed its slaves 143 years ago, and women only started voting 88 years ago...........just starting.
Didn't the owners of the 'coal-mines' of the industrial revolution have a somewhat different life-style than the ones who actually mined the coal?
No time to let those that oppose liberty get their hands around the throat of our baby....
How's that for a touching analogy?
Knows Too Much
Posts: 2,382
May 11th, 2008, 01:17 PM
http://www.elections.ca/pol/can/ec20010_e.pdf
You don't like it, you can do something about it. That's pretty core.
Quoting MikeyDB
WHAT CORE VALUES!?
http://www.elections.ca/pol/can/ec20010_e.pdf
You don't like it, you can do something about it. That's pretty core.
Genius
Posts: 821
Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
May 11th, 2008, 02:19 PM
Quoting Colpy
So at the current rate of progress the baby should be able to stand in about 3200 more years. Doesn't that make a person all giggly inside?
It is a progression, not an instantaneous change......the Magna Carta only garaunteed rights of the nobility.....it is important because it was the first step in a continuing journey. We can never be secure in our liberty, we must guard it carefully......and watch over it, guiding it, as one would guide and watch a baby taking its first steps.......remember, the oldest modern democracy is only 232 years old.........and it only freed its slaves 143 years ago, and women only started voting 88 years ago...........just starting.
No time to let those that oppose liberty get their hands around the throat of our baby....
How's that for a touching analogy?
No time to let those that oppose liberty get their hands around the throat of our baby....
How's that for a touching analogy?
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,982
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 11th, 2008, 02:34 PM
Quoting MHz
This baby will never stand on its own....it will always need to be very carefully nutured.....
So at the current rate of progress the baby should be able to stand in about 3200 more years. Doesn't that make a person all giggly inside?
