The Canadian Action Party calls the official 9/11 story physically impossible

The Canadian Action Party calls the official 9/11 story physically impossible

Stretch

#1Mar 25th, 2007

The justification for Canada's draconian anti terrorism laws is the official story of 9-11 - that the US was attacked by Islamic terrorists led by Osama Bin Laden. The problem with this justification is that the official story of what happened on 9-11 is physically impossible as a highly qualified team of Canadian, American and international scientists, engineers and investigators demonstrate at their website physics911.
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I was very surprised when I began to realize how weak the official story was. I can remember the exact moment when I felt -- my god, there’s no way those 3 towers were brought down by planes, jet fuel and fire. One tower, maybe. A structural flaw in the tower, a set of coincidences. Two towers -- we’re getting into a highly unlikely situation, even though their construction was similar, because the planes hit in different ways. Three towers (including WTC 7 now, which wasn’t hit by a plane), the odds against this are astronomical. So then I began taking a much closer look and spending more and more time looking into all this. As for the things I was reading, I found out about Scholars for 9/11 Truth and stayed largely glued to that website. Joined the organization, read all the now standard works by Griffin, Jones and others.
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CDNBear

Re: The Canadian Action Party calls the official 9/11 story physically impossible

Mar 25th, 2007

thomaska

Re: The Canadian Action Party calls the official 9/11 story physically impossible

Mar 25th, 2007

At least these scientists are keeping busy, maybe they'll bankrupt themselves someday and will go silent.

CDNBear

Re: The Canadian Action Party calls the official 9/11 story physically impossible

Mar 25th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska

At least these scientists are keeping busy, maybe they'll bankrupt themselves someday and will go silent.

Not at all my friend, all they need to do is put together a grant proposal, that asks the question what effect the events of 9/11 had on GW, or reverse and voila, the money pours in.

Last edited by CDNBear; Mar 25th, 2007 at 12:58 PM..

Zzarchov

Re: The Canadian Action Party calls the official 9/11 story physically impossible

Mar 25th, 2007

I just click these threads, to see If I can guess correctly which "local eccentric" posted it.

I was wrong this time, I guessed Darkbeaver but it was Stretch, Im batting 0.6 though, so im in so far above average.

Re: The Canadian Action Party calls the official 9/11 story physically impossible

Mar 25th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

Not at all my friend, all they need to do is put together a grant proposal, that asks the question what effect the events of 9/11 had on GW, or reverse and voila, the money pours in.

You think scientists sit around and conspire to bring down GW? Sometimes the conspiracy theories about the conspiracy theories are almost as bad as the original conspiracy theories.

#juan

Re: The Canadian Action Party calls the official 9/11 story physically impossible

Mar 25th, 2007

I have nothing better to do today. I'll have a look at this thing.

CDNBear

Re: The Canadian Action Party calls the official 9/11 story physically impossible

Mar 25th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by gc

You think scientists sit around and conspire to bring down GW? Sometimes the conspiracy theories about the conspiracy theories are almost as bad as the original conspiracy theories.

Oops, my bad, didn't put that in sarcastic purple. I edited it to reflect your confusion.

I think not

Re: The Canadian Action Party calls the official 9/11 story physically impossible

Mar 25th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

I have nothing better to do today. I'll have a look at this thing.

You'll get more truth out of Little Red Riding Hood.

#juan

#10

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Mar 25th, 2007

This guy Graeme MacQueen makes some pretty good points.

Canadian Professor disputes official representation on 9/11
No way World Trade Center Towers were brought down simply from planes, jet fuel and fire
by Graeme MacQueen

World Trade Center Towers.

Sometime in late 2005 I had a conversation -- quite a heated one, actually -- with an American dissident who said that 9/11 was obviously carried out by the U.S. government. I expressed some scepticism about this and he said that I obviously hadn’t done my homework and didn’t know the first thing about the issue. I realized after that conversation that he was actually right. I’d tinkered with the issue by reading long pieces on the internet late at night but I hadn’t really done my homework. Being, I guess, a scholarly sort of guy, and having by this time taken early retirement so that I could work for peace and justice in whatever way I wished, I ordered some the leading books, downloaded key articles, and set to work.
I was very surprised when I began to realize how weak the official story was. I can remember the exact moment when I felt -- my god, there’s no way those 3 towers were brought down by planes, jet fuel and fire. One tower, maybe. A structural flaw in the tower, a set of coincidences. Two towers -- we’re getting into a highly unlikely situation, even though their construction was similar, because the planes hit in different ways. Three towers (including WTC 7 now, which wasn’t hit by a plane), the odds against this are astronomical. So then I began taking a much closer look and spending more and more time looking into all this. As for the things I was reading, I found out about Scholars for 9/11 Truth and stayed largely glued to that website. Joined the organization, read all the now standard works by Griffin, Jones and others.
Now we get to the part about why I wrote a 9/11 article. When I read David Ray Griffin’s piece, "Explosive Testimony" I was staggered. By two things. First, by the fact that these 10,000-12,000 pages of interviews with the FDNY existed. What a resource! How come nobody told me about it before? Why hadn’t I learned about it in the mass media? I was like: Hello, doesn’t everybody realize how important this is? I mean, if I were a prosecutor in a homicide trial and I suddenly realized I had 10,000 pages of testimony by eyewitnesses, collected shortly after the crime! Secondly, I was staggered by the stuff he quoted. Clear, in some cases detailed, and as far as I could see very credible - coming from people with no axe to grind and with tons of experience with high-rises and fires and collapses and so on.
As soon as I read that article I knew I had to read those 10,000 pages for myself,

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MikeyDB

#11

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Mar 25th, 2007

Hey Juan...

Just ask ITN....the conflicts are good for business....

Who cares that people die...

So long as business is good why is it imporant to anyone who actually demolished the WTC?

Carlyle and the defense industry are booming...you've just got to look on the bright side and put all that morality stuff behind you...

Business is good....

westmanguy

#12

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Mar 25th, 2007

I don't buy these theories.

Terrrorists hijacked multiple planes on 9/11/01

2 of these planes crashed at structual weak point in the North and South Twin Towers.

Haven't you people seen the A&E or Discovery specials.

Its like a riple effect.

Very easy to believe in my opinion.

#juan

#13

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Mar 25th, 2007

I've only spent about a half hour on this thing but it is clear that there is all kinds of room for speculation. We all saw the aircraft hit the twin towers so there is no doubt that the aircraft played a major part. Let's just say the whole thing is still interesting.

#14

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Mar 25th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

Oops, my bad, didn't put that in sarcastic purple. I edited it to reflect your confusion.

Sorry, I didn't realize that was sarcasm. I also didn't know purple was the colour of sarcasm, apparently I'm out of the loop

#juan

#15

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Mar 25th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

You'll get more truth out of Little Red Riding Hood.

What's wrong with Little Red Riding Hood??

darkbeaver

#16

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Mar 25th, 2007

It's clear that there is all kinds of science as well. The impossibility of the government story has never been questioned by the main stream media. What interests me most about the 9/11 story is the reluctance or even inability of the adherants to consider alternative reasons for the destruction of the towers and the lengths they will go to to belittle inquiring minds. There are psycological studys to explain the mindset of those unable to think beyond the narrow boundrys of official explanation. Those unwilling to explore the alternatives to terrorist attacks follow the usual laws of stagnation, lack of imagination, criticle thinking, and display the usual qualitys of the insecure individuals, fear of ridicule and exclusion from the herd. The group mentality of the adherants to the official story does not allow deviation from the declared position.

Curiosity

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Mar 25th, 2007

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Psychological theories for explaining the mindset .....hahaha

Stretch

#18

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Mar 25th, 2007

9/11
Index of What Really Happened

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westmanguy

#19

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Mar 25th, 2007

Stertch, one level of beams collapsed where the plane hit:

then that crasehd on the the next set of beams

and all the way to the bottom.

Its very easy to explain... the intense heat from the over-fueled planes burning collapsed the beams and it was a domino effect.

No question of that in my mind.

And the 9/11 conspiracy people are like terrorists:

undermining the people and making them blame their own government for the events of 9/11... that causes chaos.

Stretch

#20

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Mar 25th, 2007

kerosine doesnt burn hot enough to melt steel.....
what caused the pool of molten steel that was found?

westmanguy

#21

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Mar 25th, 2007

And where are you getting this data and information.

facts can be twisted for the anti-USA agenda, which the 9/11 conspiracy is.

Is this from an official gov. sponsered report on the collapse of the twin towers??

Stretch

#22

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Mar 25th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by westmanguy

And where are you getting this data and information.

facts can be twisted for the anti-USA agenda, which the 9/11 conspiracy is.

Is this from an official gov. sponsered report on the collapse of the twin towers??

ummm its common knowledge..if one is willing to look outside the square..
official gov site LOL wasnt it an "official gove site" that told us that saddam had wmd and that the good ol' us of g knew exactly where they were??

CDNBear

#23

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Mar 25th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch

kerosine doesnt burn hot enough to melt steel.....
what caused the pool of molten steel that was found?

It doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel, but it burns hot enough to weaken steel...

Structural steel looses 50% of it tensil strength at 650 dgrees F.

A carbon fire bures at 850 degrees F.

The math is simple.

My credentials, if it matters, if you care...

Welder/Fabricator, near twenty years of experience, I have built elevators for one of North Americas largest manufacturers of elevators, I have built load bearing structures, in fact I did it so well I own my own welding fabricating company, I'm Six Nations, I have cousnins that worked on both the building of and clean up of the WTC as well as hundreds of other structures and bridges with Mowhawk High Steel.

Not that, that proves I'm right or wrong, but it does give me a leg up on most CT"s.

btw, I still haven't seen any evidence of this molten pool of metal, except for on CT sites. Do you have a site that isn't a CT site, complete with an analysys and pictures?

Curiosity

#24

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Mar 25th, 2007

Google is suffocatingly filled with conspiracy garbage.... no wonder people are still lapping it up.... it's every whacko's wetdream.

darkbeaver

#25

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Mar 25th, 2007

Conspiracy runs the world.

Stretch

#26

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Mar 25th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

It doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel, but it burns hot enough to weaken steel...

Structural steel looses 50% of it tensil strength at 650 dgrees F.

A carbon fire bures at 850 degrees F.

The math is simple.

My credentials, if it matters, if you care...

Welder/Fabricator, near twenty years of experience, I have built elevators for one of North Americas largest manufacturers of elevators, I have built load bearing structures, in fact I did it so well I own my own welding fabricating company, I'm Six Nations, I have cousnins that worked on both the building of and clean up of the WTC as well as hundreds of other structures and bridges with Mowhawk High Steel.

Not that, that proves I'm right or wrong, but it does give me a leg up on most CT"s.

btw, I still haven't seen any evidence of this molten pool of metal, except for on CT sites. Do you have a site that isn't a CT site, complete with an analysys and pictures?

any site I put up is a CT to some....
you name wouldnt be Dave S would it?

mapleleafgirl

#27

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Mar 25th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch

The justification for Canada's draconian anti terrorism laws is the official story of 9-11 - that the US was attacked by Islamic terrorists led by Osama Bin Laden. The problem with this justification is that the official story of what happened on 9-11 is physically impossible as a highly qualified team of Canadian, American and international scientists, engineers and investigators demonstrate at their website physics911.

why? why cant anything just be as it is? why are there some people always looking for secret government conspiracies? kennedy didnt just get shot by a psycho, the cia or the mafia did it. marilyn monroe was killed by kennedy, etc.etc.etc....the truth is probably far simpler.

Stretch

#28

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Mar 25th, 2007

Molten Metal

Workers Reported Molten Metal in Ground Zero Rubble

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Seismic Evidence Points to Underground
Explosions Causing WTC Collapse
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CDNBear

#29

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Mar 25th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch

any site I put up is a CT to some....
you name wouldnt be Dave S would it?

Nope, Ohkwai.

Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch

Molten Metal

Workers Reported Molten Metal in Ground Zero Rubble

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Seismic Evidence Points to Underground
Explosions Causing WTC Collapse
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Thanx I bookmarked them and I'll get back to you when I've had time to sift through it.

talloola

#30

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Mar 25th, 2007

I like all the "so called" scientists completely investigating the possibility of the 911 tragedy being
a conspiracy by the u.s. government, it, again shows how free everyone in our countries are, to
take second and third looks into "any and every" ugly incident that happens.
In the meantime all of us who don't live in a "warped" trend of thought 24-7, can get on with it.
We all have a "real" life to live. There is lots of mending to be done by the west, as the reaction
to the 911 tragedy was the "ugly" event we all should be in a rage about. Now the west has to figure
out how to begin fixing all the mistakes that were made, and try to regain some respect around the
world.

TO THE U.S. CITIZEN, THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU VOTE IN 2008

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