Poll: Some Alberta men believe violence against women is okay


Locutus
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Almost one in 10 Alberta men believes hitting a woman is okay if she makes them angry, says a recent poll.

The Leger Marketing survey also found 40 per cent of the men say women who dress provocatively risk being raped

“This is first study of its kind that has been done in Alberta and I believe in the rest of the country,” Ian Large, vice-president for the Alberta branch of Leger Marketing, said told the Star Wednesday.
“Alberta has a particularly bad reputation in this area,” he said, adding that the 1,000 men surveyed were remarkably honest.

According to a report released by Statistics Canada in 2011, Alberta and Saskatchewan have the highest rates of spousal abuse in the country.

Those taken aback by the “ground-breaking” results include Alberta Premier Alison Redford, who says she was sickened by some of the findings.

Redford said the statistic showing that 21 per cent of men surveyed said slapping a child’s face is acceptable behaviour “made me sick to my stomach.”

“I think that is very troubling, and as a mother of a 9-year-old, I want us to do better as a community,” she said. “We have to start saying to people that this behaviour is inappropriate . . . It’s not acceptable in Alberta in 2012.”

Redford said the “silent majority” has a role in ensuring this kind of behaviour is not tolerated and that families feel safe in their own homes.

The Leger survey results were released Monday in Calgary at the Alberta Council of Women’s Shelters (ACWS) annual “Breakfast With the Guys” fundraiser, designed to encourage men and boys to take a stand against domestic violence.

The survey was completed between Feb. 6 and Feb. 27, with 1,000 men, 18 or older, living in Alberta. The survey has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

Among the alarming results:

• 13 per cent of the survey respondents said domestic violence is not as serious if it results from people getting so angry they temporarily lose control.

8 per cent did not agree that it’s never acceptable to physically assault a woman if she did something to incite the anger.
(If someone can find this stat in the report, please let me know)


• 14 per cent agreed that women often say “no” when they mean “yes.”


Story:

Canada News: Poll: Some Alberta men believe violence against women is okay - thestar.com


Survey (not linked in the article)

www.acws.ca/documents/Present...algaryBWTG.pdf (external - login to view)
 
Goober
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#2
Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

Almost one in 10 Alberta men believes hitting a woman is okay if she makes them angry, says a recent poll.

The Leger Marketing survey also found 40 per cent of the men say women who dress provocatively risk being raped

“This is first study of its kind that has been done in Alberta and I believe in the rest of the country,” Ian Large, vice-president for the Alberta branch of Leger Marketing, said told the Star Wednesday.
“Alberta has a particularly bad reputation in this area,” he said, adding that the 1,000 men surveyed were remarkably honest.

According to a report released by Statistics Canada in 2011, Alberta and Saskatchewan have the highest rates of spousal abuse in the country.

Those taken aback by the “ground-breaking” results include Alberta Premier Alison Redford, who says she was sickened by some of the findings.

Redford said the statistic showing that 21 per cent of men surveyed said slapping a child’s face is acceptable behaviour “made me sick to my stomach.”

“I think that is very troubling, and as a mother of a 9-year-old, I want us to do better as a community,” she said. “We have to start saying to people that this behaviour is inappropriate . . . It’s not acceptable in Alberta in 2012.”

Redford said the “silent majority” has a role in ensuring this kind of behaviour is not tolerated and that families feel safe in their own homes.

The Leger survey results were released Monday in Calgary at the Alberta Council of Women’s Shelters (ACWS) annual “Breakfast With the Guys” fundraiser, designed to encourage men and boys to take a stand against domestic violence.

The survey was completed between Feb. 6 and Feb. 27, with 1,000 men, 18 or older, living in Alberta. The survey has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

Among the alarming results:

• 13 per cent of the survey respondents said domestic violence is not as serious if it results from people getting so angry they temporarily lose control.

8 per cent did not agree that it’s never acceptable to physically assault a woman if she did something to incite the anger.
(If someone can find this stat in the report, please let me know)


• 14 per cent agreed that women often say “no” when they mean “yes.”


Story:

Canada News: Poll: Some Alberta men believe violence against women is okay - thestar.com


Survey (not linked in the article)

www.acws.ca/documents/Present...algaryBWTG.pdf (external - login to view)

Is AB the only Prov in Canada?
 
Cliffy
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I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that Alberta is mostly a conservative province?
 
B00Mer
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Fixed..

Quote: Originally Posted by cliffyView Post

i wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that alberta is mostly a red neck province?

Last edited by B00Mer; Mar 14th, 2012 at 07:47 PM..
 
Ariadne
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Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post


8 per cent did not agree that it’s never acceptable to physically assault a woman if she did something to incite the anger.
(If someone can find this stat in the report, please let me know)

Page 10 of the pdf
 
Locutus
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Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

Page 10 of the pdf


Merci.
 
Ariadne
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I found that the article kind of sensationalizes the information. When the stats were 8%, the article translated that to 1/10. Accuracy would dictate that they state 1/12.
 
55Mercury
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Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post


8 per cent did not agree that it’s never acceptable to physically assault a woman if she did something to incite the anger.
(If someone can find this stat in the report, please let me know)



www.acws.ca/documents/Present...algaryBWTG.pdf (external - login to view)

2nd last in the 10th pdf panel, Loc

:?)
 
Locutus
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Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

I found that the article kind of sensationalizes the information. When the stats were 8%, the article translated that to 1/10. Accuracy would dictate that they state 1/12.


The Star did that?


At least the survey concluded an improvement over 5 years ago. The paper didn't find that necessary.
 
skookumchuck
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They do not say how many respondents were in the lower age group. These surveys are so easily manipulated by the context of the question and often lack of choice in answers. I am not defending or approving either side but i do detest disingenuous agendas.
Many times i have been called regarding surveys and have told them, if you intend to waste your time and mine with questions requiring pre determined answers that are not my choice, get lost!
 
Ariadne
#11
What are the thoughts about the point on page 11 ... 40% of men agree that if a woman dresses provocatively, she's putting herself at risk for rape.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that Alberta is mostly a conservative province?

I think lots of men everywhere think this way. And lots of women think it's okay, too, or else Chris Brown would not have been performing at whatever stupid awards show recently, and having women tweet that 'he could hit them any time'.

Quite frankly, there are lots of people in this world who are stupid.
 
gerryh
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#13
and 60% disagreed...... and, over all, mens attitudes and knowledge has improved over the last 5 years.... but why look at it that way. So much better for the men haters to look only at the negative and work on negative slants...right? Why bother working towards bettering those numbers over the next 5 years like the last 5.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

What are the thoughts about the point on page 11 ... 40% of men agree that if a woman dresses provocatively, she's putting herself at risk for rape.

Well, it stands to reason. A chocolate cake left on the counter is more likely to get eaten than a tofu bar wrapped in brown paper in a drawer.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

Well, it stands to reason. A chocolate cake left on the counter is more likely to get eaten than a tofu bar wrapped in brown paper in a drawer.


It's called self control. Try it sometime.
 
Locutus
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Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

What are the thoughts about the point on page 11 ... 40% of men agree that if a woman dresses provocatively, she's putting herself at risk for rape.


Sounds like some of the Toronto (Sl ut Walk) Cops.
 
Ariadne
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

I think lots of men everywhere think this way. And lots of women think it's okay, too, or else Chris Brown would not have been performing at whatever stupid awards show recently, and having women tweet that 'he could hit them any time'.

Quite frankly, there are lots of people in this world who are stupid.

I would tend to agree that lots of men think this way ... and I also think that women know this but dress provocatively anyway. Women wear underwear as outer wear and leave little to the imagination - kind of like a tease where they want to watch men have to control themselves. Personally, I think that women that dress provocatively are taking an unnecessary risk ... but that's a pretty old fashioned way of looking at things ... old fashioned to include all of time up until the last decade or two.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

It's called self control. Try it sometime.

gerry, you might want to actually use your brain.

I didn't say it was right, I didn't say I felt that it was acceptable to rape women who dress provocatively, I didn't say that I do it. Try reading for a change.

If you ever develop the ability to think, feel free to use it. Until then, shut the fuk up. What a maroon.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

gerry, you might want to actually use your brain.

I didn't say it was right, I didn't say I felt that it was acceptable to rape women who dress provocatively, I didn't say that I do it. Try reading for a change.

If you ever develop the ability to think, feel free to use it. Until then, shut the fuk up. What a maroon.



No, you just stated that it stands to reason that it would happen.... no, it does NOT stand to reason. Like I said, it's called self control, and any man that can NOT control himself, well, he ain't much a fuc king man.
 
CDNBear
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Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

I found that the article kind of sensationalizes the information. When the stats were 8%, the article translated that to 1/10. Accuracy would dictate that they state 1/12.

Well, the article actually said "almost one in ten", not exactly one in ten, which is true. How do you know how accurate the result they obtained is? Considering the margin of error for the sample size used is 2.5%, it's not kosher even to think that 8% is the true value of the 18 year old and older Albertan males who disagree that it's never OK to physically assault a women when she makes those men angry. In fact it's practically certain not to be 8%.
 
Dexter Sinister
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#22
Yeah right, released at, and presumably commissioned by, the Alberta Council of Women's Shelters... Think they might have an agenda? Both that news report and the pdf document linked to clearly show an implicit assumption that all domestic violence is done by men. It's not. Long term study by the Family Research Laboratory at the University of New Hampshire has found that men are just as likely to be victims of domestic violence as women, women and men are the instigators of violence about a quarter of the time each, half the time it's mutual brawling, unclear who struck the first blow, and domestic violence occurs in only 3 to 4 percent of families. Those are admittedly American results, but given the cultural similarities it's hard to argue that things would be much different here.

Wish I could give a link to the source I'm citing there, it used to be at urbanlegends.com but it's been archived and is no longer available online, though I did find a listing for it in an archive. It's item 5 on the list at this page: tafkac.org (external - login to view)
 
wulfie68
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Well as an Alberta male:

- I don't believe in hitting women except maybe in self defense
- the slapping a child in the face thing, depends on the situation and who you define as a child: is it anyone under 18? 16? 12? I slapped my 14 yr old stepson in the mouth for swearing at me and I'd do it again, no apology but in most other circumstances, no.
- the women dressing provocatively risking rape, I look at that as common sense: women risk rape by being in the wrong environment, and thats not a factor I control with my belief, but rather the way the world is. She doesn't deserve to be raped, no matter what, but a woman dressed to seduce will sometimes arouse the interest of the wrong guy, the ones who don't like hearing "no".
 
damngrumpy
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I do not think a man should hit a woman under any circumstance, shoot her yes but hit her NO
Seriously I have been around a long time and I don't think there is any excuse for such behavior.
I think there is a penchant for violence in our society these days though. We had neighbours who
fought and did strange things. Once the guys wife waited outside the pub and hit him with the car,
three weeks later he attempted the same thing only he ran into another car.
The whole thing was settled when he stabbed her something like forty seven time and lit out for
Mexico. He returned home a couple of months later and got four years in prison, no bull. This
happened in the Okanagan several years back.
There is no excuse for hitting a woman period I don't care how old you are or what the circumstances
are.
 
skookumchuck
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#25
What if they phrased the same question to a thousand women of that age group, is it ok to hit a man?
 
Ocean Breeze
#26
Is this part of Alberta's "conservative" values???

(as long as they realize that the same kind of violence against them (MEN) would be ok too.

Equal opportunity spouse battery. Nothing less.

And here we so wrongly thought that Alberta was rather progressive .......
 
55Mercury
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Is this part of Alberta's "conservative" values???

(as long as they realize that the same kind of violence against them (MEN) would be ok too.

Equal opportunity spouse battery. Nothing less.

And here we so wrongly thought that Alberta was rather progressive .......

that's absurd.

no one has ever thought any such thing
 
Bar Sinister
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#28
Albertans are not all conservative-voting troglodytes. There are some of us who have never voted conservative. And as some have pointed out, what does that have to do with the survey anyway? It seems to me that true conservative values require treating a woman with honour and dignity. Striking a woman under any circumstances short of self-defence is simply not part of conservative ideology. Fascist ideology perhaps, but not conservative.
 
Vanni Fucci
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

Albertans are not all conservative-voting troglodytes. There are some of us who have never voted conservative. And as some have pointed out, what does that have to do with the survey anyway? It seems to me that true conservative values require treating a woman with honour and dignity. Striking a woman under any circumstances short of self-defence is simply not part of conservative ideology. Fascist ideology perhaps, but not conservative.

I doubt very much that there's any correlation between political affiliation and abuse...even if some would like that to be the case...
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

Almost one in 10 Alberta men believes hitting a woman is okay if she makes them angry, says a recent poll.

The Leger Marketing survey also found 40 per cent of the men say women who dress provocatively risk being raped

.pdf (external - login to view)

Some men from everywhere believe violence against women is OK.
 

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