Poll: Some Alberta men believe violence against women is okay


Ocean Breeze
#31
For me it is simple: Mutual respect between both genders and aim for being a team if both are in a partnership/marriage..The idea is to bring out the best in each other , not CONTROL the other.

Those that actually believe it is ok to be violent towards women..... probably have a tendency towards over aggression as a "norm". and are basically control freaks .

Women who claim they would not mind being beaten by some celeb.......need therapy , are fools or are lying. (or letting their fantasy world get carried away )

Men who beat women , would probably do them even more harm . The problem is that the pathology involves both. One being sadistic, the other being masochistic. And they have an incredible way of finding each other.
 
talloola
+1
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

No, you just stated that it stands to reason that it would happen.... no, it does NOT stand to reason. Like I said, it's called self control, and any man that can NOT control himself, well, he ain't much a fuc king man.

thats right, and that is the group that could/would rape a woman who is dressed in a way that shows much
of her 'bare' body, and I don't mean at the beach, but that could also be a problem
to 'those particular men'.

of course no one should ever hit or rape any woman, but when they dress like that, they should have the
brains to know they are taking a risk, because those 'ain't much of a man' are all out there, and will
behave in a very unacceptable way, at any given time.

just saying they should have control doesn't make them have control, and women are raped.
 
Ocean Breeze
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni FucciView Post

I doubt very much that there's any correlation between political affiliation and abuse...even if some would like that to be the case...

Not sure about that. The conservative mindset has its own qualities and features . A more liberal thinking mindset is probably more prone to be liberal and more open.

Would be interesting to see if any research has been done on this topic.
 
55Mercury
+1
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Not sure about that. The conservative mindset has its own qualities and features . A more liberal thinking mindset is probably more prone to be liberal and more open.

Would be interesting to see if any research has been done on this topic.

of course, you've never hit anyone, have you Oashy?
 
Ocean Breeze
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by 55MercuryView Post

of course, you've never hit anyone, have you Oashy?

thanks for the cutesy name. And NO I have NEVER hit anyone. NEVER slapped anyone. And hope I never do. It is against my profession, my humanitarian belief system and against ones basic common sense. Very basic life premise: DO NO HARM.

Anger usually is behind such violence. So anger management is imperative ......even if it is just walking away.

thanks for asking. Have a nice eveningl.
 
Colpy
+3
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Is this part of Alberta's "conservative" values???

(as long as they realize that the same kind of violence against them (MEN) would be ok too.

Equal opportunity spouse battery. Nothing less.

And here we so wrongly thought that Alberta was rather progressive .......

Oh get off it!!!

You would find roughly the same "values" (or lack thereof) in any group of men of the same age anywhere in Canada.....and it would be considerably BETTER than most of the rest of the world.

Dexter Sinister is absolutely correct.....this is a survey with an agenda....probably done in Fort McMoney.........where the male population is young, tough, transiant.......and working class. Or maybe the stats there would have been much worse.......

Although I agree with DS on that, and I acknowledge that female violence is also a problem....I think men are MUCH better equipped to defend themselves.....(although then they go to jail, and are added to the domestic violence statistics as the instigator)

YES, women that go to bars dressed to advertise the wares in the most blatant way possible are at risk of being assaulted....BIG surprise there!!!
 
Dexter Sinister
+1
#37
Imagine one of these scenarios. First, you're at a nice restaurant, across the way you can see a table with a man and a woman deeply engaged in conversation, and suddenly you see the woman slap the man across the face. What do you think happened? Second, reverse it, you see the man smack the woman in the face. What do you think happened? And what does it mean if your answers are different in each case?
 
wulfie68
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Imagine one of these scenarios. First, you're at a nice restaurant, across the way you can see a table with a man and a woman deeply engaged in conversation, and suddenly you see the woman slap the man across the face. What do you think happened? Second, reverse it, you see the man smack the woman in the face. What do you think happened? And what does it mean if your answers are different in each case?

Heh. I was in Houston around Christmas, and my sister (who lives there now) and I were out to dinner. We have a turbulent relationship but there's a lot of love at the base of it. We were discussing some family issues(namely estranged family members and how we can avoid making the same mistakes they had made), quietly, but passionately and my sister started to cry. Our server came over and asked me what I did to her. I tried not to laugh, but my sister kinda smiled and told her that we were family and discussing some things , and that she had initiated the conversation. The young lady looked long at me a second gave an "oh. You're family?" pause and appraising look. "Just be nice to her." And she went about her business.

Now I know if my sister had say slapped me or thrown a drink in my face, the reaction from the server and other patrons would have been different. And yes it was Houston, not Edmonton or Calgary but I don't think the values governing our reactions are very different.
 
karrie
+3
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

Almost one in 10 Alberta men believes hitting a woman is okay if she makes them angry, says a recent poll.

Is that all? Because I'd guess that better than 10% of women clear across Canada think it's okay to smack a man when he pisses them off.
 
Colpy
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Imagine one of these scenarios. First, you're at a nice restaurant, across the way you can see a table with a man and a woman deeply engaged in conversation, and suddenly you see the woman slap the man across the face. What do you think happened? Second, reverse it, you see the man smack the woman in the face. What do you think happened? And what does it mean if your answers are different in each case?

Yeah....and I've got to say it....in most cases the slap by a female across a man's face would sting........

Not so the other way around.

A male striking a female in any way indicates his willingness to harm her, and his determination to control her.

Not so the other way around

I honestly think there is something to be said for the traditional attitude of overlooking minor female violence against Cads..

My little 100lb wife has elbows I sincerely think she hones with a pencil sharpener.

They are occasionally applied to my ribs......when I am telling an inappropriate joke, laughing in a funeral, or giggling uncontrollably in a wedding mass........

LOL

The funeral singer sounded like a cat having its tail twisted. We were among the mourners.

My late best and well- loved buddy sat next to me at a Catholic wedding....in the mass, there is some ritual tinkling of bells (neither of us are Catholic) while the priest carries on.....after the third ding-a-ling, Ron leaned over and whispered...."Is he NEVER gonna answer that damn phone?"

I lost it.

Both required vigorous application of the elbow.

I don't think that is assault.
 
petros
#41
I don't know if there are bricks in her purse but I know better now.
 
karrie
+2
#42
Another issue with this result to consider is this....

I do not think it's okay to hit my husband. But that doesn't mean I haven't done it. Mostly in jest, once in a fit of rage.

Colpy has a bit of a point in that when I threw a fit, grabbed my husband, and shoved him against the wall trying to threaten him and drive my point home... he burst into laughter. It's just not the same threat level coming from 5'2" me as it would be coming from him. But, that doesn't mean had I decided I really wanted to hurt him, I couldn't have found a way, and plenty of women do all the time.
 
Niflmir
+3
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Yeah right, released at, and presumably commissioned by, the Alberta Council of Women's Shelters... Think they might have an agenda? Both that news report and the pdf document linked to clearly show an implicit assumption that all domestic violence is done by men. It's not. Long term study by the Family Research Laboratory at the University of New Hampshire has found that men are just as likely to be victims of domestic violence as women, women and men are the instigators of violence about a quarter of the time each, half the time it's mutual brawling, unclear who struck the first blow, and domestic violence occurs in only 3 to 4 percent of families. Those are admittedly American results, but given the cultural similarities it's hard to argue that things would be much different here.

Wish I could give a link to the source I'm citing there, it used to be at urbanlegends.com but it's been archived and is no longer available online, though I did find a listing for it in an archive. It's item 5 on the list at this page: tafkac.org (external - login to view)

Now I don't have to say it. So I'll go on to the next item:

This data is completely useless without having the same opinions from women. You can't analyse a gender in a vacuum. There is a rather famous study about latent bias in hiring practices against women in academia and one of their big conclusions was that women were just as likely to discriminate against women as men were. So in all likelihood 1 in 10 women believe that it is acceptable for a man to physically assault a woman after she admits to having sex with another man.

The whole provocative clothing is a huge mistake of interpretation. Do I think I am more likely to be raped if I put on a costume to make myself look like a fairy (literally a fairy)? Yes. That is to say, I believe that I increase my own chances of being raped by wearing provocative clothing. The actual issue of interest is if it justifies it. No. As it is they are merely asking if people believe that part of the reason why men rape women is because of sexual attraction.
 
lone wolf
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Not sure about that. The conservative mindset has its own qualities and features . A more liberal thinking mindset is probably more prone to be liberal and more open.

Would be interesting to see if any research has been done on this topic.

Wasn't "free love" a "liberal" mindset?
 
Nuggler
#45
one in ten can't control their anger!! ?

Not much of a surprise

It's been going on for eons.............(that's a long time eh)

I feel sorry for the gals that have a violent dickhead in their life.

Just leave, ladies, they aren't really all the same no matter what you're told.
 
karrie
+3
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Is this part of Alberta's "conservative" values???


And here we so wrongly thought that Alberta was rather progressive .......

Not that I put a lot of credence in this particular study, but.... did you notice the part where it states that no other province has bothered to do similar studies/polls? So, you're comparing it to.... nothing... and deciding that you can infer something based on it.
 
gerryh
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Not that I put a lot of credence in this particular study, but.... did you notice the part where it states that no other province has bothered to do similar studies/polls? So, you're comparing it to.... nothing... and deciding that you can infer something based on it.


Haven't you noticed? That's OB's modus operendi. lol
 
SLM
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Although I agree with DS on that, and I acknowledge that female violence is also a problem....I think men are MUCH better equipped to defend themselves.....(although then they go to jail, and are added to the domestic violence statistics as the instigator)

I absolutely agree. To a point. Yes most men could certainly physically overpower a woman, no question. But personally I think people tend to mitigate what kind of psychological hold an abuser has over his or her victim. That can go a long way to evening out the playing field, in my opinion.

Personally I think that's why the question about whether an abused woman could leave the relationship if she really wanted to was nearly 50/50 as to whether the respondents agreed with that statement. And I've heard plenty of woman say the same type of thing over the years.
 
Ocean Breeze
#49
How about we do our own poll on here ??

Those that approve of violence against women

Those that don't.

Seems that this is a black and white situation.

My vote: Totally against it.
 
gerryh
+2
#50
How about violence against men by women?
 
SLM
+4
#51
How about we acknowledge that if 'some Alberta men believe it's okay' then it stands to reason that some do not. In fact, looking at the actual numbers I'd go so far as to say that most do not think it's okay. Could the numbers be better? Absolutely. 100% would be stellar but that's never going to happen, not in Alberta and not anywhere because there will always be a certain percentage of idiots who think they have a right to control other people. And that goes for women too, I've met plenty of domineering controlling abusive women before.

The whole point of this survey was not to disparage males in Alberta or anywhere, it was to keep a spotlight on the fact that it does happen and that we need to ensure we continue to raise our sons and daughters to be mindful of that. And while we may yet still have a ways to go, we've come a hell of a long way. It's about awareness, not blame.
 
L Gilbert
#52
Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

Story:

Canada News: Poll: Some Alberta men believe violence against women is okay - thestar.com


Survey (not linked in the article)

www.acws.ca/documents/Present...algaryBWTG.pdf (external - login to view)

As Anna would say; "they're troglodytes, barely connected to the human species."
 
TenPenny
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

No, you just stated that it stands to reason that it would happen.... no, it does NOT stand to reason. Like I said, it's called self control, and any man that can NOT control himself, well, he ain't much a fuc king man.

I am surprised that you would contend that women who weigh 600 lbs and dress like lumberjacks are as frequently victims of rape as women who wear nothing but underwear and wiggle their body parts in public.
 
gerryh
#54
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

I am surprised that you would contend that women who weigh 600 lbs and dress like lumberjacks are as frequently victims of rape as women who wear nothing but underwear and wiggle their body parts in public.


I'm surprised that I would contend that too. Obviously you know me better than I do. What else do I contend?
 
Liberalman
#55
Rednecks
 
karrie
#56
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

How about we do our own poll on here ??

Those that approve of violence against women

Those that don't.

Seems that this is a black and white situation.

My vote: Totally against it.

I personally don't participate in sexist polls.
 
Ocean Breeze
#57
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I personally don't participate in sexist polls.

Fair enough. That was idle musing at best......
 
JLM
#58
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I personally don't participate in sexist polls.

I thought it was more to do with violence than sex.
 
talloola
#59
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Imagine one of these scenarios. First, you're at a nice restaurant, across the way you can see a table with a man and a woman deeply engaged in conversation, and suddenly you see the woman slap the man across the face. What do you think happened? Second, reverse it, you see the man smack the woman in the face. What do you think happened? And what does it mean if your answers are different in each case?

he has a red face where he was smacked, she has a black eye, and swollen face.

The difference in the force of the smacks.

Same scenario if she punches him, or he punches her, her injury will be much more serious.

this is not a 225lb woman, and a 125lb man, 'but the rule', which make the man bigger and much stronger.

I believe 'the rule would be', that the woman becomes angry and fearful when she strikes out, but the man
is just angry when he strikes out.

it is not something women have grown up doing, little girls don't wrestle and play fight, or fight in
anger physically, it isn't part of their nature.

One can watch a group of little girls staring at boys when they are 'either fighting in anger', or all tangled
up wrestling and play fighting, and they are pretty put off by the sight, can't undersand why the
boys would want to do that.

A man striking a woman is a very scary situation.

I know there are exceptions, I'm speaking of the rule.

So, no I don't think the two situations resemble each other at all.
 
gerryh
#60
Of course you don't, no real surprise.
 

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