Pedophile teacher busted


SLM
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

Yikes....from the LINK: "....and spoon-feeding them a..."

I hope this Freak tests clean health-wise, and wasn't spoon
feeding these kids Herpes or something along those lines
beyond what has already occured.

Oh God, I hope not. Like what he did wasn't skeevy enough!
 
Cannuck
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Legally speaking, you're considered a pedophile if you sexually abuse children even if you're only doing it opportunistically

Legally speaking yes. Medically speaking no.

Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

to try to break it down and quibble that maybe, psychologically, he may not prefer kids, is a moot point UNLESS you're his shrink and trying to treat him.

Or if you are simply pointing out on a web forum that he may not, in fact, be a pedophile.
 
karrie
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

... he may not, in fact, be a pedophile.


By which definition of pedophile? There are multiple definitions, which one is 'right'?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I guess it just floored me that you'd even need to ask why I didn't feel the case of a teacher and a 17 year old was comparable to this. I believe there should be equality in sentencing for sex crimes, whether perpetrated by women or by men. I've stood my ground on that many times on this forum. but it still doesn't make the fact that a woman molested her student relevant in any way shape or form to this particular atrocity.

I did not have the history and your post seemed to read like you were dismissing the other simply because it was by a female teacher against male student(s). I will take your word that was not your intent.
 
Ron in Regina
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

You didn't note the age of the OP? Because there WAS no one age in the OP, there were classfuls of students. Did you read it?

I don't get why you are guys are even bringing any other abuse cases in trying to compare.

I found ages at a different source: Old-style film processing led to CA teacher arrest | News Talk 980 CJME (external - login to view)
and the kids (23 of them at this point) ranged from 6-10 years old.
 
Cannuck
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

By which definition of pedophile? There are multiple definitions, which one is 'right'?

As a medical diagnosis, a pedophilia is defined as a psychiatric disorder characterized by a primary or exclusive interest in prepubescent children.

There are two different types of child molesters, situational and preferential. Pedophiles generally fall into the second group. As I said, there is nothing in the story that shows he has a preference to kids. He may just be morally indescriminant. That said, some studies indicate upwards of 95% of child molestation cases, involving preteens, involve pedophilia.

From your legal perspective, not all child sexual offenders are pedophiles and not all pedophiles engage in sexual abuse of children.
Last edited by Cannuck; Feb 1st, 2012 at 08:41 PM..
 
karrie
#37
Definitions

In law enforcement circles, the term "pedophile" is sometimes used in a broad manner to encompass a person who commits one or more sexually-based crimes that relate to legally underage (external - login to view) victims. These crimes may include child sexual abuse (external - login to view), statutory rape (external - login to view), offenses involving child pornography (external - login to view), child grooming (external - login to view), stalking (external - login to view), and indecent exposure (external - login to view). One unit of the United Kingdom's Child Abuse Investigation Command (external - login to view) is known as the "Paedophile Unit" and specializes in online investigations and enforcement work.[103] (external - login to view) Some forensic science texts, such as Holmes (200 use the term to refer to a class of psychological offender typologies that target child victims, even when such children are not the primary sexual interest of the offender.[104] (external - login to view) The FBI (external - login to view), however, makes a point of acknowledging preferential sex offenders who have a true sexual preference for prepubescent children.[11] (external - login to view)
 
Cannuck
+1
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Definitions
In law enforcement circles, the term "pedophile" is sometimes used in a broad manner to encompass a person who commits one or more sexually-based crimes that relate to legally underage victims. These crimes may include child sexual abuse, statutory rape, offenses involving child pornography, child grooming, stalking, and indecent exposure. One unit of the United Kingdom's Child Abuse Investigation Command is known as the "Paedophile Unit" and specializes in online investigations and enforcement work.[103] Some forensic science texts, such as Holmes (200

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Just because the police use the label, doesn't mean they are correct.
 
shadowshiv
+3
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

All I can say is thank God someone caught on to what he was doing, and it's been stopped. I try not wish for justice at the hands of inmates, but I suspect this man will be eating a lot of prison pudding for years to come.


Accused teacher blindfolded kids for (external - login to view)

This article disgusts me even more than the one I originally read at Canoe. In the other article, it talked about how he took pictures with them blindfolded with cockroaches(the huge ones from Madagascar) on their faces/mouths and there was no mention about the taste tests. Perhaps that information wasn't released at the time the Canoe article was posted? I shudder to think what the next article could potentially contain. Each one gets more and more horrifying.

He's a sick **** and I don't give a rat's ass if he is determined to be a pedophile or not. I want him to be tossed in prison and NEVER see freedom again for the rest of his life...for however long the other inmates determine that to be.
 
SLM
+2
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

As a medical diagnosis, a pedophilia is defined as a psychiatric disorder characterized by a primary or exclusive interest in prepubescent children.

There are two different types of child molesters, situational and preferential. Pedophiles generally fall into the second group. As I said, there is nothing in the story that shows he has a preference to kids. He may just be morally indescriminant. That said, some studies indicate upwards of 95% of child molestation cases, involving preteens, involve pedophilia.

From your legal perspective, not all child sexual offenders are pedophiles and not all pedophiles engage in sexual abuse of children.

Who cares? What kind of individual is it that gives a damn whether some guy who spoon fed a bunch of prepubescent children semen is labled a pedophile or not?

You were right the first time, you are nit picking.

Quote: Originally Posted by shadowshivView Post

He's a sick **** and I don't give a rat's ass if he is determined to be a pedophile or not. I want him to be tossed in prison and NEVER see freedom again for the rest of his life...for however long the other inmates determine that to be.

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. That's the way most people would look at this.
 
Cannuck
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Who cares? What kind of individual is it that gives a damn whether some guy who spoon fed a bunch of prepubescent children semen is labled a pedophile or not?

I care. Facts are important to some people. I'm sorry it bothers you.
Last edited by Cannuck; Feb 2nd, 2012 at 09:06 AM..
 
karrie
+1
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Just because the police use the label, doesn't mean they are correct.

You're not quite right... it doesn't necessarily make it correct from a psychological standpoint. But I know I don't, the police don't, and the courts won't, give a rats ass about whether children were his preferred target, or an opportunistic target. He's a pedophile by action. The rest we can leave to the shrinks to sort out once he's being force fed in prison.

****Note for all of mankind. If you're concerned with whether or not you are ever incorrectly labeled a pedophile, start with not sexually abusing pre-pubescent children****
 
Cannuck
+1
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

You're not quite right... it doesn't necessarily make it correct from a psychological standpoint. But I know I don't, the police don't, and the courts won't, give a rats ass about whether children were his preferred target, or an opportunistic target. He's a pedophile by action. The rest we can leave to the shrinks to sort out once he's being force fed in prison.

I'm well aware that most people don't give a rats ass when it comes to mental illness. It really is a sad commentary on our society. If more people did care, perhaps initiatives could be taken to identify, treat or manage mental illness before people became victims.
 
karrie
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

I'm well aware that most people don't give a rats ass when it comes to mental illness. It really is a sad commentary on our society. If more people did care, perhaps initiatives could be taken to identify, treat or manage mental illness before people became victims.

That's a whole other debate.... is pedophilia a mental illness, or a sexual preference? Even in the psychology community there's still debate on it.

Regardless, once acted upon, it's a matter for prison psychiatrists. If he'd sought treatment beforehand I'd argue for his right to said treatment. he didn't. Instead he repeatedly, thoughtfully, systematically, abused child after child.
 
Cannuck
+1
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Regardless, once acted upon, it's a matter for prison psychiatrists. If he'd sought treatment beforehand I'd argue for his right to said treatment. he didn't. Instead he repeatedly, thoughtfully, systematically, abused child after child.

Why would he seek treatment (if in fact he is mentally ill) given the vitriol spouted by some people. Look at your own statement. You actually think you know what was going on inside his head from reading a news article. Besides, this is a common theme among those that berate the mentally ill. "They should have sought treatment" implies that they are capable of rational, reasonable thought process. Perhaps people should find out if this is a possibility before condemning them.
 
TenPenny
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

That's a whole other debate.... is pedophilia a mental illness, or a sexual preference? Even in the psychology community there's still debate on it.

The reason there is a debate about it is that, if it becomes accepted that pedophilia is a sexual preference, it could be protected under the charter.
 
lone wolf
#47
How many people would have scoped out (ex) Col. Williams?
 
DaSleeper
+2
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

The reason there is a debate about it is that, if it becomes accepted that pedophilia is a sexual preference, it could be protected under the charter.

Naaah .....the reason there is a debate is because one member can't admit he's wrong...
 
lone wolf
+2
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Naaah .....the reason there is a debate is because one member can't admit he's wrong...

More like won't.... Black really IS white don'cha know
 
karrie
+1
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Why would he seek treatment (if in fact he is mentally ill) given the vitriol spouted by some people. Look at your own statement. You actually think you know what was going on inside his head from reading a news article. Besides, this is a common theme among those that berate the mentally ill. "They should have sought treatment" implies that they are capable of rational, reasonable thought process. Perhaps people should find out if this is a possibility before condemning them.

So, you'd like him, what, snuggled?

Sorry, but he sexually abused a bunch of children, he's a pedophile. The courts will send him to shrinks to sort out what to do with him. From that point, that's their call. They can decide if he fits the 'mentally ill' bill, or the plain old abuser category. You certainly can't decide from that article. Until then, I'm quite content to call a spade a spade.

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

The reason there is a debate about it is that, if it becomes accepted that pedophilia is a sexual preference, it could be protected under the charter.

No it can't. You can't remove one person's rights to give rights to another, and allowing pedophilia very directly removes the rights of children.

What CAN be a result is allowing people to come forward for treatment without repurcussion so long as they haven't molested anyone, but that's another ball of wax.
 
TenPenny
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

No it can't. You can't remove one person's rights to give rights to another, and allowing pedophilia very directly removes the rights of children.

Actually, what it would allow is for fictional depictions of pedophilia to no longer be criminal, as being a pedophile would be a recognized sexual orientation, and therefore protected.

It's something that the NAMBLA has been lobbying for.
 
Cannuck
#52
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

So, you'd like him, what, snuggled?

At this point in time, I'm not sure what should be done with him as I don't have enough information but of course, snuggling him would be the only possible alternative.

(Note to JLM - That was sarcasm)

Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Sorry, but he sexually abused a bunch of children, he's a pedophile.

Yes, according to you and some police Those with considerably more knowledge and understanding will withhold judgement until they have facts. At this point, they would tend to label him a child molester

Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

The courts will send him to shrinks to sort out what to do with him. From that point, that's their call. They can decide if he fits the 'mentally ill' bill, or the plain old abuser category. You certainly can't decide from that article. Until then, I'm quite content to call a spade a spade.

I'm sure you are. Unfortunately for you, you may be calling a heart a spade but hey, knock yourself out if it makes you feel better. What makes me feel better is getting rid of the vindictive bull**** in the criminal justice system and start to focus on prevention, particularly when it comes to mental illness issues. Vince Weiguang Li was known to have had problems and yet nothing was done. People wanted his nuts as well.

BTW, if I remember correctly, you have some health issues. Do people blame you for it?
 
lone wolf
#53
Whacking off into a teaspoon and feeding it to a kid isn't a health issue - unless he's carrying some sort of infection
 
Cannuck
#54
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Whacking off into a teaspoon and feeding it to a kid isn't a health issue - unless he's carrying some sort of infection

I assume you are making that statement based on your psychological or psychiatric assessment of the individual and your vast knowledge and training?
Last edited by Cannuck; Feb 2nd, 2012 at 02:05 PM..
 
lone wolf
#55
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

I assume you are making that statement based on your psychological or psychiatric assessment of the individual and your vast knowledge and training?

How is I'm not surprised that you assume?
 
Cannuck
#56
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

How is I'm not surprised that you assume?

It was a question. Notice the question mark?
 
lone wolf
+2
#57
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

It was a question. Notice the question mark?

So was my response....

From OP:
Quote:

They tested a substance on the spoon and found semen containing DNA that matches the teacher's, Scott said.

"We didn't have a felony until the semen was discovered," Scott said.

No assumption or expertise on my part necessary.

ETA: Bringing up someone else's health (as if it's relevant to the topic) is a cheap shot unworthy of even you....
Last edited by lone wolf; Feb 2nd, 2012 at 02:13 PM..
 
karrie
#58
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

At this point in time, I'm not sure what should be done with him as I don't have enough information but of course, snuggling him would be the only possible alternative.

(Note to JLM - That was sarcasm)



Yes, according to you and some police Those with considerably more knowledge and understanding will withhold judgement until they have facts. At this point, they would tend to label him a child molester



I'm sure you are. Unfortunately for you, you may be calling a heart a spade but hey, knock yourself out if it makes you feel better. What makes me feel better is getting rid of the vindictive bull**** in the criminal justice system and start to focus on prevention, particularly when it comes to mental illness issues. Vince Weiguang Li was known to have had problems and yet nothing was done. People wanted his nuts as well.

BTW, if I remember correctly, you have some health issues. Do people blame you for it?


You can't focus on prevention after the fact. I haven't said kill the guy... I haven't said withhold psychiatric attention. All I've done is label his crime. He's a pedophile through action. If you want to get on your high horse about mental health care, trust me, I'm right there with you. But it doesn't erase the facts about his actions, just like being mentally ill doesn't erase the fact that Vince Li cut someone's damn head off.
 
Cannuck
#59
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

But it doesn't erase the facts about his actions, just like being mentally ill doesn't erase the fact that Vince Li cut someone's damn head off.

I didn't say it erased what he had done. It should have an impact on how each is treated after the fact and more attention needs to paid before the fact. It's about people's attitudes. Locking people up after they have committed an offense is akin to closing the barn door after the horse escapes. In this case, it may make people feel better but it does nothing to help the kids that were molested. Demonizing people with mental issues is not conducive to getting people to come forward when the start having problems.
 
#juan
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

How many people would have scoped out (ex) Col. Williams?

Not many. If Williams had just changed his tires a little sooner, chances are that he might have gone
on for a good while longer. It appears his behavior was escalating so it depends on whether he was ready to sit back and hold off for a while.
 

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