Marines and Honour


Spade
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BBC News - US military identifies all four 'urinating' Marines (external - login to view)
 
Goober
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#2
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

BBC News - US military identifies all four 'urinating' Marines (external - login to view)

Spade - War is not pretty - I was listening the other day to a fellow talking about this very incident.

You are in a firefight, now consider the highest point your adrenaline has ever been at, multiply it - Bullets whizzing, bombs blasting, people killed.
And boom it is over. Except that adrenaline is still pumping as that is how your body works - you are checking and you are OK - exhilarated you are alive. And that old adrenaline is still pumping thru your body -and everyone else's as well.
You all survived - These are the FFrs that tried to kill you and your buddies. Adrenaline is still maxed out.

Shxt happens.
 
CDNBear
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#3
Can someone tell me what all the furor is all about?
 
Goober
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#4
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Can someone tell me what all the furor is all about?

When it is all over and you have all survived there is one important lesson soldiers should have learned by now. Always shoot the guy with the camera or the video cam.
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Can someone tell me what all the furor is all about?

Some brainless, jerk-off US marines pissing on dead afghanis. Seems most normal people, marines obviously excluded, take a dim view of this type of action.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

Some brainless, jerk-off US marines pissing on dead afghanis. Seems most normal people, maimed obviously excluded, take a dim view of this type of action.

Oh ye of little knowledge.
 
captain morgan
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#7
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Can someone tell me what all the furor is all about?

Playground wisdon Bear.... One must be gracious both in winning or losing.

Perhaps if the Marines simply instituted a rule that you go shake hands with the fallen enemy (after the fight) and congratulate them on their gallantry, the leftist detractors may be placated.

... Or maybe the custom in the ME is more akin to dragging the bodies of the fallen enemy behind trucks through the towns as a tribute to their bravery.
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Oh ye of little knowledge.

Yeah, whatever! Did you read the story or any other journalist's report on the incident.

The fu*king USMC has a history of this type of inhuman behavior. It comes from the brainwashing they get in basic training and the groupthink mentality ingrained in them.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

Some brainless, jerk-off US marines pissing on dead afghanis. Seems most normal people, marines obviously excluded, take a dim view of this type of action.

Although they may be Afghani, they are un-uniformed insurgents. Not just some poor townies that got caught in the crossfire.

It certainly isn't something I would do, nor do I condone it, but I certainly won't lose any sleep over it. I piss on pieces of ****, daily, right before I wipe.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Playground wisdom Bear.... One must be gracious both in winning or losing.

I agree. I also believe one should have respect for uniformed soldiers, even on the other team. Insurgents aren't really what I call soldiers.

Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

Yeah, whatever! Did you read the story or any other journalist's report on the incident.

The fu*king USMC has a history of this type of inhuman behavior. It comes from the brainwashing they get in basic training and the groupthink mentality ingrained in them.

You really don't know much about military training, specifically Marine Corp training, if you actually believe what you just said.
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Although they may be Afghani, they are un-uniformed insurgents. Not just some poor townies that got caught in the crossfire.

It certainly isn't something I would do, nor do I condone it, but I certainly won't lose any sleep over it. I piss on pieces of ****, daily, right before I wipe.

I agree. I also believe one should have respect for uniformed soldiers, even on the other team. Insurgents aren't really what I call soldiers.

So you have no respect for the French resistance in ww2 or any other rebel force in history?
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

I agree. I also believe one should have respect for uniformed soldiers, even on the other team. Insurgents aren't really what I call soldiers.

You really don't know much about military training, specifically Marine Corp training, if you actually believe what you just said.

As you mentioned, these Afghanis were not uniformed combatants.

Theirs is more a guerrilla-style approach and part of that strategy is attempting to blend in with the local population.... In my eyes, it is essentially a close relation to the the cowardly practice of using children and women as human shields.
 
JLM
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That incident was just plain downright poor taste, not to mention stupidity.
 
CDNBear
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#13
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

So you have no respect for the French resistance in ww2 or any other rebel force in history?

Trying to compare fundamentalist insurgents to the French Resistance, is idiotic.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

As you mentioned, these Afghanis were not uniformed combatants.

Theirs is more a guerrilla-style approach and part of that strategy is attempting to blend in with the local population.... In my eyes, it is essentially a close relation to the the cowardly practice of using children and women as human shields.

Which pretty much separates them from true resistance fighters.

Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

That incident was just plain downright poor taste, not to mention stupidity.

Ya, that sums it up best.
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

As you mentioned, these Afghanis were not uniformed combatants.

Theirs is more a guerrilla-style approach and part of that strategy is attempting to blend in with the local population.... In my eyes, it is essentially a close relation to the the cowardly practice of using children and women as human shields.

Are you gonna cry and call foul if you bring a knife to a gunfight? I would do the same thing if an occupying force invaded Canada. The only real res in combat are win & survive.

This isn't a boxing match with rules you know. They see it as defending their country by any means necessary and available.
 
captain morgan
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#15
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

That incident was just plain downright poor taste, not to mention stupidity.

I'll wager that any family member of a slain Marine will tell you that the person that shot & killed their son/daughter did so in bad taste.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

Yeah, whatever! Did you read the story or any other journalist's report on the incident.

The fu*king USMC has a history of this type of inhuman behavior. It comes from the brainwashing they get in basic training and the groupthink mentality ingrained in them.


How many times have you been in a situation where you could have been killed. Now read the below. And best read up on the French Resistance - Much worse shxt happened there as well.

War is not pretty - I was listening the other day to a fellow talking about this very incident.

You are in a firefight, now consider the highest point your adrenaline has ever been at, multiply it - Bullets whizzing, bombs blasting, people killed.
And boom it is over. Except that adrenaline is still pumping as that is how your body works - you are checking and you are OK - exhilarated you are alive. And that old adrenaline is still pumping thru your body -and everyone else's as well.
You all survived - These are the FFrs that tried to kill you and your buddies. Adrenaline is still maxed out.

Shxt happens.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

Are you gonna cry and call foul if you bring a knife to a gunfight? I would do the same thing if an occupying force invaded Canada. The only real res in combat are win & survive.

This isn't a boxing match with rules you know. They see it as defending their country by any means necessary and available.


.. So, there are no rules in this fight until AFTER it's all done, in which case it's all about good cheer and camaraderie.

Gotcha
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

Are you gonna cry and call foul if you bring a knife to a gunfight? I would do the same thing if an occupying force invaded Canada. The only real res in combat are win & survive.

This isn't a boxing match with rules you know. They see it as defending their country by any means necessary and available.

Has it been determined that they were in fact Afghani citizens?

A great many un-uniformed insurgents, are foreign nationals.

They aren't fighting to protect their country, they're fighting to maintain a fundamentalist regime.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

I'll wager that any family member of a slain Marine will tell you that the person that shot & killed their son/daughter did so in bad taste.

No kidding to say the least!
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

Are you gonna cry and call foul if you bring a knife to a gunfight? I would do the same thing if an occupying force invaded Canada. The only real res in combat are win & survive.

This isn't a boxing match with rules you know. They see it as defending their country by any means necessary and available.

No I do not think you would. I think you would Fuk off at the high port.
 
Cliffy
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The insurgents are not hiding among the local population, they are the local population that the invading forces have killed their families. These are not fundamentalist terrorists, they are just people who are fighting against an invading force who out gun them with superior fire power. They use whatever means at their disposal.

Who the hell thinks that we have a right to invade countries and kill innocent civilians and gets upset when those civilians start shooting back? This whole argument is beyond stupid. We invaded, we killed. We have no higher moral ground. We are the *******s killing their families. Trying to justify this sh!t is insanity.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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Although it was a stupid stunt and they will likely be hung out to dry because there is no greater sin than pissing on the dead guy who would have cut your head off.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

Although it was a stupid stunt and they will likely be hung out to dry because there is no greater sin than pissing on the dead guy who would have cut your head off.

Why are we there and why are we pissing on them? It is their country. It is not ours and it is not our right to piss on them. It is only our right, to leave them alone. They may want to cut off our heads, but who would blame them after what we have done to them and their families?
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Why are we there and why are we pissing on them? It is their country. It is not ours and it is not our right to piss on them. It is only our right, to leave them alone. They may want to cut off our heads, but who would blame them after what we have done to them and their families?

You can try and make believe that all the insurgents are simple Afghani's rising up to rid their land of the infidels. But the fact remains, the bulk of the insurgents are Taliban militia, and foreign nationals, simply blinded by theology.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Why are we there and why are we pissing on them? It is their country. It is not ours and it is not our right to piss on them. It is only our right, to leave them alone. They may want to cut off our heads, but who would blame them after what we have done to them and their families?

I think the truth lies in the middle somewhere, I know at the start of the war infrastructure was the target but undoubtedly some innocent caught in the fire but most of the killing was by Sunnis killing ****ties and vise versa.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Why are we there and why are we pissing on them? It is their country. It is not ours and it is not our right to piss on them. It is only our right, to leave them alone. They may want to cut off our heads, but who would blame them after what we have done to them and their families?

Is there anyway I can mention 911 without us dancing down the road of conspiracy and caspian sea and loose change and blah blah blah?
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

.. So, there are no rules in this fight until AFTER it's all done, in which case it's all about good cheer and camaraderie.

Gotcha

No, its about respect for another human being even if their views on life and politics are different from yours.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

I'll wager that any family member of a slain Marine will tell you that the person that shot & killed their son/daughter did so in bad taste.

There wouldn't be any slain marines if they weren't invading a foreign sovereign nation. What do you expect, that everyone just surrenders when the US want to invade somewhere?
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

I agree. I also believe one should have respect for uniformed soldiers

Agreed. If he don't wear a uniform, shoot the ****er and piss on him.

 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

Is there anyway I can mention 911 without us dancing down the road of conspiracy and caspian sea and loose change and blah blah blah?

That's where it all got started for sure, I'm not fully convinced of the rationale.
 
taxslave
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#30
Seems like all the usual leftard suspects are making much ado about nothing. What they should be protesting is terrorists dragging a soldier behind a truck or horse until his head pulls off.
 

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