Israel...

MikeyDB

Colpy

How come we westerners didn't complain when our leaders imposed an economic blockade on Palestinians after they democratically elected Hamas? Don't our leaders want democracy to spread thoughout the middle east?

Why didn't we complain when the US and Israel armed opposition forces in a blatant attempt to overthrow Palestine's democratically elected government?
Hamas didn't start the violence which led to their military take over of Gaza. Violence erupted when anti-democratic forces backed by Israel and the US attempted to overthrow the democratically elected Palestinian government. In the end the side with the support of the majority of people (Hamas) won in Gaza but lost in the West Bank.

As a result, democratically ruled Gaza remains under a constant state of seige. Meanwhile, the West Bank which fell to anti-democratic forces supported by the US and Israel suffers accelerated Israeli land theft.

Legitimate Palestinian leaders should be upset that Israel continues to expand their Jewish only colonies on Palestinian land. However Fatah's leaders don't seem to mind as long as they keep getting arms and bribe money which come as a result of maintaining friendly relations with the US and Israel.

No wonder Hamas won the election.

What's going on in Lebanon is a proxy war between the US and Iran. The Lebanese military has decided to remain neutral in this conflict and has focused on restoring order after the battles.

Colpy

Dancing_Loon

Simple... Colpy and Bear....they have all the answers when it comes to the ME and given sufficient latitude...everything else....

MikeyDB

Colpy

Colpy

Just be careful of those fanatical extremists who invade other nations on the basis of lies and fraud......

Those fanatical extremists who lie to us all daily in our newspapers and through our media and inculcate fear...an aspect of 'terrorism' right in our own backyard.

You've decided that nothing anyone can say nor any fact that can be presented to you can compel you to re-consider your position on Israel....

It must be comforting for you to see the truthfulness and integrity of the media you so robustly embrace proven out over time....like Viet Nam....or Iraq......

You're a pawn Colpy.....as are we all in a game of economics and "belief" played as politics through media and championed as "right" and "justice" and "truth"....by liars and theives.

MHz

However, we do not have to support any gov't just because it is elected.....

gopher

earth_as_one

It is a war, Mikey.

Pick a side.

eao: Why didn't we complain when the US and Israel armed opposition forces in a blatant attempt to overthrow Palestine's democratically elected government?
Hamas didn't start the violence which led to their military take over of Gaza. Violence erupted when anti-democratic forces backed by Israel and the US attempted to overthrow the democratically elected Palestinian government. In the end the side with the support of the majority of people (Hamas) won in Gaza but lost in the West Bank.

Colpy: Do you REALLY believe that? If so, you're simply hopeless.

26 January 2006

Hamas sweeps to election victory

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4650788.stm

Hamas seizes U.S. weapons
Terrorist: We'll hijack all American weapons provided to Abbas' militias

May 14, 2007

TEL AVIV -- Hamas yesterday ambushed a convoy in the Gaza Strip and seized a stockpile of U.S. weapons transferred in recent months to militias associated with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party, according to Hamas and Fatah sources.

"We obtained the U.S. weapons and will keep hijacking any assistance the Americans provide to Fatah. Our fighters are aware of the American and Israeli conspiracies to topple our government. We're trained and well prepared to defeat the American-backed (Palestinian) agents," said a top member of Hamas' so-called military wing in the Gaza Strip.

According to Israeli and Palestinian security officials and Hamas sources, Hamas militias in recent months have taken almost complete control of the northern Gaza Strip, including areas from which rockets are launched regularly into nearby Jewish communities. The officials said Fatah, which is backed by the U.S., is restricted to acting within a half-mile radius of a major Fatah military compound. Hamas has set up roadblocks and checkpoints throughout northern Gaza to ensure Fatah militias remain near their compound.

Yesterday, after a Fatah gunman shot a Hamas member, a Fatah convoy of three trucks was stopped by Hamas at a makeshift checkpoint at Dabit Circle, a northern Gaza town, according to Hamas sources. Hamas abducted 18 Fatah gunmen and seized stockpiles of American weapons that were in the vans, the sources said.

The U.S. in recent months reportedly transferred large quantities of weapons to Fatah, purportedly to back Abbas' military organizations against Hamas. Fatah and Hamas engaged in months of factional clashes until the two forged a unity government in February. But renewed fighting today in Gaza threatened to torpedo the unity deal.

The last confirmed U.S. weapons transfer to the Palestinians took place last May and consisted of 3,000 assault rifles, but WND reported multiple other transfers later were delivered to Fatah, including a cache of 7,000 rifles last January and about 8,000 assault rifles in February.

While the weapons were meant to bolster Fatah in Gaza, Hamas has reportedly won most battles against the U.S.-backed militias...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=55682

07/01/2007

Three Hamas militants killed in clashes with Fatah in Gaza Strip

By Avi Issacharoff, Haaretz Correspondent, and News Agencies

Three Hamas militants were killed and five were wounded Saturday evening in clashes with a Fatah-related family hours after Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas declared Hamas security forces in Gaza illegal.

The militants, all members of the the Diri family, were killed in an exchange of fire between Hamas and members of the Durmush family, some of whom are affiliated with Fatah, in the Sabra neighborhood of Gaza City.

Four Hamas militants were kidnapped during the incident.

Another member of Hamas was kidnapped in a separate incident in the Gaza Strip. No further details were available. Earlier, two Hamas officials were kidnapped in separate incidents in the West Bank.

In Nablus, an An- Najah National University lecturer affiliated with Hamas was wounded by six militants apparently belonging to Fatah's Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades.

The lecturer, Marwan Kadoumi, was shot in his legs when the militants entered his home. He was evacuated to the hospital in moderate condition.

Earlier Saturday, pro-Fatah gunmen attacked Hamas officials in two separate incidents in the West Bank, security officials said...

...Fighting between Abbas's Fatah faction and Hamas has surged since talks on forming a unity government collapsed and Abbas called for early parliamentary and presidential elections. Hamas accused Abbas of mounting a coup...

Abbas says Hamas security force in Gaza is illegal
In a statement released on Saturday, Abbas declared that Hamas security forces in Gaza not integrated with PA forces would now be considered illegal....

Hamas: U.S. is funding a 'revolt' against our government

Senior Hamas official Mushir al-Masri blamed the U.S. on Friday for attempting to promote a revolt against the Hamas government, after U.S. documents showed that the Bush administration will provide $86.4 million to strengthen security forces loyal to Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas.

"We demand that Abbas reject this U.S. policy, which is tearing the Palestinian people apart," he said.

The new policy would expand U.S. involvement in Abbas' power struggle with Hamas....

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/809845.html

einmensch

dancing-loon

60 years ago today Israel became a state. That's what I heard in the news. Amid the celebrations looms the Olmert bribery scandal. Al Jazera has inside knowledge he might step down and will likely be replaced by Zivi Livni.~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Looks like they need a major clean-up! But what is the use?

Police seize more Olmert papers


Mr Olmert denies the accusations that he accepted bribes

Israeli police have raided the Ministry of Industry and Trade as a corruption investigation into Prime Minister Ehud Olmert continues, official radio says.
The raid follows one on Jerusalem's city hall on Monday.
He is suspected of accepting bribes from a American Jewish businessman during his time as Jerusalem mayor and later as a minister.

Mr Olmert is already being investigated in several other corruption scandals.
Police questioned Mr Talansky on Monday and have asked him to remain in Israel until later in the month.
Morris "Moshe" Talansky - a New York-based financier - is said to have given hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash to Mr Olmert at a series of meetings in the 1990s and early 2000s.

Colpy

After reading many posts and comments, MikeyDB consistantly demonstrates his superior mental and verbal abillities.He does not need to demonstrate a notion of self- superiority by informing others that he is well educated knowing all or stammer "That this is the silliest post I have ever read".
COLPY- You referred to me as a JEW Hater. Go get your proof and post it. OR, is slander also part of your intelligent debating?
Does the below make me a Jew Hater?

ALL holocausts can be scrutinised, investigated, researched and questioned. Whether it is the 15 million German Holocaust victims or the 54 million Russian Holocaust victims in the ex-Soviet-Union, ordered by mostly Jewish commissioners. Regardless which Holocaust we want to study, the Armenian-Holocaust, the Cossack-Holocaust, the Negro-Holocaust caused by Jewish slave traders, the Cambodian-Holocaust, the Chinese-Holocaust, all Holocausts can be questioned – except the Jewish-holocaust.
No investigations or scientific researches are allowed! The "Central Council of Jews in Germany" screams immediately, to bring holocaust-heretics "to justice", if anyone dares to question certain holocaust stories. The German judicial system goes into action at once to perform orgies of the most vile persecutions. Looking at all these un-atoned Holocausts that have taken place in our lifetimes history, Horst Mahler, a lawyer and former RAF (Red Army Faction) sympathiser stated: "The holocaust is neither incomprehensible nor unique." The "Council of Jews in Germany" reacted immediately, telling the German justice system: "Denying the singularity of the shoa is historically wrong and conceivably punishable by law." [15]
Israel is 60? I thought it went back to the Days of Moses?

earth_as_one

earth_as_one

You are a Jew hater.

If that shocks you, you need to take a long look in the mirror.

First, you deny the most horrible genocide in history was all that bad, and you cling to ridiculous web sites and silliness to support your claim, such as a sign outside Auschwitz.....I roll my eyes.

Then you quote things such as the above piece of drivel.....which blames Jews for "the 54 million Russianm Holocaust", the "negro Holocaust" (the slave trade)....the might as well cry out "the damned Jews deserved it!"

Spare me your bull****.

I only talked about my education when challenged about my knowledge......and yes, it is significant that I actually studied history........

instead of trying to pervert it.

earth_as_one

Some update!!Haha... he and Mulrooney should go to bed together!!! They've got a lot in common.Read full article here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7397066.stm

lone wolf

....instead of trying to pervert it.

Colpy

By most measures, the Jewish state is a great success story. The modern Middle East is the misbegotten progeny of the British and French colonial map makers of 1922. All the nation states in that neck of the woods date back a mere 60 or 70 years – Iraq to the Thirties, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Israel to the Forties. The only difference is that Israel has made a go of it.
Would I rather there were more countries like Israel, or more like Syria? Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East (Iraq may yet prove a second), and its Arab citizens enjoy more rights than they would living under any of the kleptocrat kings and psychotic dictators who otherwise infest the region.
On a tiny strip of land narrower at its narrowest point than many American townships, Israel has built a modern economy with a GDP per capita just shy of $30,000 – and within striking distance of the European Union average. If you object that that’s because it’s uniquely blessed by Uncle Sam, well, for the past 30 years the second-largest recipient of U.S. aid has been Egypt: their GDP per capita is $5,000, and America has nothing to show for its investment other than one-time pilot Mohamed Atta coming at you through the office window.

MHz

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