Israel...

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

No. Don't bother repeating yourself. I don't much like the way Israel has handled the indigenous people who's land they were given, and who's land they continue to steal. Palestine has been mightily screwed by Israel with the help and encouragement of the U.S. If I am wrong, show me where I'm wrong and I will apologise.

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

The Palestinians have been mightily screwed by Canada as well, a nothing nation of camp followers Juan that's all Canada is these days.

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

The Palestinians have been mightily screwed by Canada as well, a nothing nation of camp followers Juan that's all Canada is these days.

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

It's funny how if you are not a staunch supporter of Isreal, you are anti-semitic. The UN should have demanded that Israel get out of Palestinian land. There were about a hundred UN resolutions to this effect, but most if not all were vetoed by the U.S.

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

It's funny how if you are not a staunch supporter of Isreal, you are anti-semitic. The UN should have demanded that Israel get out of Palestinian land. There were about a hundred UN resolutions but most if not all were vetoed by the U.S.

Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov

Why?

It never was Palestinian Land. If you want to get serious a moment, when the UN refused to enforce its original partition (especially the bit about Jerusalem) it lost all moral authority in the matter.

Quite frankly nobody wants to die to deal with that hellhole with the exception of two bunches of recent immigrants claiming it as their ancestral home.

Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov

Well, it was British and Ottomen land before that (and then series of Egyptian, Crusader, Arab, Byzantine and Old Roman before that).

You also have it backwards.

They aren't called Palestinians throughout history, they were called Arabs previously. They call themselves Palestinians now, to assert their claim to Palestine.

A hundred years ago they were called just called Arabs (or Turks or Jews) who lived in the region of Palestine in the Ottoman Empire.

I should point out the region of Palestine also included well into Jordan (Amman) and parts of Lebanon.

Quote: Originally Posted by missile

A pity that the entire nation of Germany couldn't have been ceded to the jewish after the war. After all,it was Germany & its leadership that caused all the trouble to begin with.

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

I suggest we all pack it up in the Americas and head back to wherever our ancestors came from, and we can leave it all to the indigenous peoples. This is what everyone is suggesting, right?

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

If you -meaning YOU - just came over and demanded a native stand aside so you could settle? (Native as in a person who was born in-country) Yes. Go back from whence you came. Though my great-great grandfather may have some owning up to do, that does not concern me.

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

No I don't mean me, but the rationale of the argument from what I see is going enough back in history to justify ones position. It makes sense to go all the way back and apply everywhere in the world, no?

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

Only if you have lost something tangible. If all you have lost are what exist in legends, then you have lost nothing - exactly what you are entitled to claim.

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Several million square miles of North America seems pretty tangible to me.

Quote: Originally Posted by missile

A pity that the entire nation of Germany couldn't have been ceded to the jewish after the war. After all,it was Germany & its leadership that caused all the trouble to begin with.

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

I suggest we all pack it up in the Americas and head back to wherever our ancestors came from, and we can leave it all to the indigenous peoples. This is what everyone is suggesting, right?

Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts

Actually a friend just got back from Europe and told me we are being left behind....Europe is booming. Maybe going back isn't such a bad idea!!

Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov

Technically it was Austrians who did most of the planning and where the senior leadership.

Austria just weaseled out of the blame and pinned it all on the Germans (Despite the fact Austrians considered themselves German)

Also, the concept of Israel only starting after the holocaust is bunk. The image of waves of Jewish settlers fleeing Europe is mostly propaganda.

The area had large Jewish demographics long before they arrived, Jerusalem had been majority Jewish for nearing 50 years for instance.

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

It's funny how if you are not a staunch supporter of Isreal, you are anti-semitic.

Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts

Only place I've ever heard that is from staunch critics of Israel, oddly enough.

Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts

Only place I've ever heard that is from staunch critics of Israel, oddly enough.

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

And if anyone who walked those lands, hunted those forests or fished in those waters want to file a claim, they'd have every right to do so. Suceeding generations have lost nothing real for how can one lose what one never actually breathed, drank, ate or held in one's hand? Only a fool can put a price on a spirit.