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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

and yes, in Europe before the Holocaust, Jews were by far disproportionally represented in the intellectual class, professors, teachers doctors, and as entrepreneurs.

That would be fine if you weren't also whitewashing facts. You fail to mention the seamier parts that were also from that very same group.

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"A FORGOTTEN EPISODE IN JEWISH HISTORY We now come of a very sordid period in Jewish history. Late in the 19th and early 20th centuries, Jews controlled the trade in white slavery, which is a polite way of saying prostitution. And they did so worldwide. Reputable historians claim Jews ran brothels in Shanghai, India, Turkey, Argentina, Brazil and New York City.
Women for the trade were procured in the following way: After the Eastern European pogroms, many young Jewish women became orphans who were without skills. As orphans they lacked dowries, which meant that arranged marriages were out of the question for them. During those years, only men received Yeshiva education, and if they were to marry and continue their education, they needed a wife with a dowry.
A charming young man, with plenty of cash, would show up in an Eastern European town and seek out a beautiful Jewish orphan. He would connect with her through an organization and eventually offer to marry her. After the marriage had been consummated, he would excuse himself because he had business commitments in another city, and leave, but not before giving his new wife a steamship ticket to Buenos Aires and promising to meet her there. When the wife would arrive in Buenos Aires or Rio, her husband was nowhere to be seen, but someone presenting herself as his aunt would meet the young woman.
Typically, these young ladies, some not older than 18 years, without any skills, with no education and without family, were told by these "aunts" in so many words that they either become prostitutes or would starve to death. Although many women faced with this situation committed suicide, others adapted.
Because these women and their pimps were considered "impure" by the regular Jewish community, they were ostracized. At the end of their lives they were not allowed to be buried in the existing Jewish cemeteries. To deal with this situation, the women and their pimps established their own cemeteries and synagogues. Incidentally, the word in Portuguese for pimp, is cafetão, a word derived from kaftan, the long black silk robes worn by orthodox Jews.
In his book "Prostitution and Prejudice: the Jewish Fight against White Slavery - 1870-1939", Edward J. Bristow quotes my father after he had visited several cemeteries where Jewish prostitutes were buried. My father reported that their average age was about 20 years. My father surreptitiously copied the wording of many tombstones. According to my dad, a typical tombstones might be inscribed in Yiddish or Portuguese: "Ruchelle, beloved daughter of Shmuel and Hanna O…, of (the name of the village in Eastern Europe), 1900-1920"."
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Or this

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Jewish Gangsters

There are few excuses for the behavior of Jewish gangsters in the 1920s and 1930s. The best known Jewish gangsters – --, Bugsy Siegel, Longy Zwillman, Moe Dalitz — were involved in the numbers rackets, illegal drug dealing, prostitution, gambling and loan sharking. They were not nice men. During the rise of American Nazism in the 1930s and when Israel was being founded between 1945 and 1948, however, they proved staunch defenders of the Jewish people.
The roots of Jewish gangsterism lay in the ethnic neighborhoods of the Lower East Side; Brownsville, Brooklyn; Maxwell Street in Chicago; and Boyle Heights in Los Angeles. Like other newly arrived groups in American history, a few Jews who considered themselves blocked from respectable professions used crime as a means to "make good" economically. The market for vice flourished during Prohibition and Jews joined with others to exploit the artificial market created by the legal bans on alcohol, gambling, paid sex and narcotics."

Now if you believe no Jew anywhere was not involved in these same kinds of activities elsewhere then you are deluding yourself.

"When I open the police files I find detailed reports about Jewish criminals. The archives have enough material for 100 historians and for 100 years, and even then they won't finish. Jerusalem, Tuesday, November 2, 2004"
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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

if jews have influence, they EARNED it!

And their 'bad parts' pretty much undo most, if not all, of the 'good parts'. Why do you think the US had a quota on the number of Jews that could come over? Didn't want the teachers, etc?
 
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In case you have wondered where Israel gets its oil from, here are maps that show the pipelines!

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Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loonView Post

In case you have wondered where Israel gets its oil from, here are maps that show the pipelines!

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If you look at anything else, do so at your own discretion. I'm only showing you the maps!!

Unfortunately, the site is a product of someone's delusions.

Where does Israel really get its oil?

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From Russia and former Soviet republics. Israel produces only a couple thousand barrels of oil a day, which means it relies on the global market for more than 99 percent of its consumption. It's difficult to name all of the country's suppliers—in 2004, Israel's minister of national infrastructures admitted that "Israel's situation is complicated. We don't have diplomatic relations with most of the countries from which we import oil." But over the past 25 years, significant fuel imports have come from Angola, Colombia, Mexico, Egypt, and Norway. In more recent times, the Israelis have turned to Russia, Kazakhstan, and some of the other -stans for the bulk of their oil.
Israel has long sought a local source of oil, especially since the oil crisis of 1973. Having a nearby supplier would increase Israel's energy security and reduce the cost of its imports. Iran filled that need for a while: Starting in 1968, the Israelis used a pipe called the "TIPline" to import Iranian oil from the Red Sea. But the shah was overthrown in 1979, and Iran shut off the tap. (These days, Israel lets the Russians use...

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Just the Facts
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Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loonView Post

In case you have wondered where Israel gets its oil from, here are maps that show the pipelines!

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Not exactly a credible source, to say the least. I haven't search for any corrorborating sources but off the top of my head I don't think Jordan and Saudi Arabia would be particularly co-operative in this Israeli Bliz.

Did you order the Run Your Car on Water conversion kit? 150 bucks, you can't go wrong.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by Just the FactsView Post

Did you order the Run Your Car on Water conversion kit? 150 bucks, you can't go wrong.

Those Joe-cells are pretty neat, (the real trick is in the additive to the water to make it very efficient at passing high current loads),even more interesting are the engines that run on pure brown's gas in that they are based on implosion rather than explosion.

What is the extra $100 bucks for, shipping?
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Those Joe-cells are pretty neat, (the real trick is in the additive to the water to make it very efficient at passing high current loads),even more interesting are the engines that run on pure brown's gas in that they are based on implosion rather than explosion.

What is the extra $100 bucks for, shipping?

I don't know, I thought it said 150, a bargain since similar kits sell for up to $600
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by Just the FactsView Post

I don't know, I thought it said 150, a bargain since similar kits sell for up to $600

$600 would buy an awful lot of stainless-steel. With a 2v drop between cells you only need 6 plates for every 12v. (5 works out nicely when you take neutral plates into account)True you can up the voltage but then you are also heating the water. Once you add a rheostat (a rather large one) you can control the amps. No sense using 60 while stopped at a traffic light. Build an efficient 240 or 440v welder (2cyl gas or diesel on a tow-bar) and you can haul some 'freight' on the turnpikes. A 48v motor would be a 10speed with 440v, again that comes with a bit of a trick, you have to start it at 48v, let it rev up, double the power, let it rev up, double the power, etc.
 
Walter
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As goest Israel ...

If the Jewish state can't survive the onslaught of militant Islam, neither can the rest of the civilized world
Lorne Gunter, National Post Published: Monday, May 05, 2008
Amir Cohen, Reuters
Israel is Western civilization's canary in the coal mine. If Israel cannot survive, perhaps Western civilization -- pluralistic, democratic, individualistic, secular, free-trading and devoted to the rule of law -- will be unable to last, either.
On the eve of Israel's 60th anniversary, those of us who cherish our own fundamental freedoms had better hope the Jewish state makes it through its second 60 years; or else our own right to think, say or worship as we please (unless, of course, we come under the scrutiny of a so-called human rights commission) is in jeopardy.
To many Canadians, that may seem a farfetched warning.
What has Israel's survival got to do with us? Israel is far away. It has different enemies than we do. Even among Islamic extremists, they are battling Hamas, Hezbollah, the PLO and Islamic Jihad, while the West is confronting the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
Besides, if we're nice and accommodating of diversity, the terrorists will respect our attempts to honour their culture and faith and leave us alone.
Nice theory. Too bad jihadis of every label view Israel and the West as conjoined and inseparable. Even though we may not see our destiny as inextricably linked with Israel's, they do. If we give up on Israel, they will simply take that as a sign they might be able to pressure us next to give up on Quebec, Mississauga, Michigan, Birmingham and the Paris suburbs.
This week, Riyad Na'san Al-Agha, Syria's culture minister and a man long touted in the West as an intellectual moderate, told Al Hiwar TV, an Arab-language channel based in London, that he longs for the destruction of Israel (so much for his moderation) and that he is "optimistic that within 10 years, Israel will come to its end."
What then? Arabs can concentrate on driving the infidels from their neighbourhood and, who knows, perhaps even take the fight to the infidels' homelands.
Remember, this is from a government official, not from a terrorist.
Hamas, despite occasionally insisting it can live peacefully with Israel, has never given up its dream of destroying "the Zionist entity," and never will. But what would Hamas do if it ever managed to dismantle Israel: pat itself on the back and close up?
Not at all. Hamas co-founder Mahmud az-Zahar has long said that should that happy day (for him) ever come, his organization would merely turn its efforts to the spread of Islam in the rest of the West, by force if necessary. To this end, Hamas has set up training camps in the former Soviet republic of Georgia.
And Hassan Nasrallah, the head of Hezbollah, has frequently urged Palestinians to fight not only Israel but the whole of the Western world, which he has described as satanic.
Aaron Klein, an American journalist who now lives in Israel, last year released a fascinating book, Schmoozing with Terrorists: From Hollywood to the Holy Land, Jihadists Reveal Their Global Plans -- To a Jew!. In it, he recounts how in hundreds of hours of interviews with dozens of terrorists their declared hatred of the West was nearly as great as their hatred of Israel. They were not motivated by poverty or political oppression as much as by faith and ideology, and nearly all spoke of establishing a worldwide caliphate once they had dispatched the Jewish state. They were especially enraged by our equal treatment of women and our tolerance of gays and lesbians.
Most of the Palestinian attacks on Israelis of late have been centred around the small industrial-agricultural city of Sderot. Since 2001, there have been more than 6,000 rockets and mortars launched from the Gaza Strip into Israel, an average of nearly three per day, most of them aimed at Sderot. The pace has quickened since the beginning of the year.
Seldom has a day gone by since January when Sderot's schools and markets have not been emptied by the blare of air-raid sirens that sometimes provide only 15 seconds notice of an incoming Katyusha or Qassam rocket.
If we permit Israel to lose the battle for Sderot, if we in the West wag our finger at Israel's efforts to defend herself, it may not be long before we find Sderot's plight repeated in Markham, Newark or Leeds.

God bless Israel.
 
MikeyDB
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What a pack of drivel! As you exercise your great "freedom" today and pull up to the gas pumps....why not exercise the freedom to not buy that gasoline...? As you contemplate that great freedom...consider that unless you've planned very well and squirrelled away a small fortune, that even a relatively minor debilitating disease or condition will see you lose your car your house, everything.....because you believed that "freedom" was consumption.

This kind of editorial pap is infuriating, not becuase it simply has nothing to say, but becuaes the absence of anything even remotely cognizant of the nature of reality ...of the nature of the disconnect between the structures of "freedom" and "prosperity" as conceptualized by the Israeli...by the Palestinian...by the New Yorker....by the Calgarian.... The notion that the state of Israel is microcosm of the greater human condition is simply crap.
 
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The notion that the state of Israel is microcosm of the greater human condition is simply crap.

Good argument. I'm convinced.
 
earth_as_one
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That is just silly!

Did you miss the part that said suicide bombings had dropped from 59 in a year to ONE in a year?

Israel has the right to defend itself...

But Palestinians don't have that same right? Please explain why...

The drop in suicide bombings could also be partly explained by a switch in tactics.

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25 April 2008
Israel claims Hamas is a 20,000-strong force
The Palestinian Islamic Resistance in Gaza (Hamas) has built up a military force of 20,000 combatants equipped with standard rockets, mortars, anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) and anti-aircraft guns, according to an Israeli study.
According to a study published by the Israeli Intelligence and Terrorism Information Centre, Hamas has been able to smuggle more than 80 tonnes of explosives into the Gaza Strip, despite the international blockade.
A powerful demonstration of the organisations improved military capabilities was given on 19 April when Hamas launched its most sophisticated attack so far on the Kerem-Shalom border crossing with Israel. With the apparent aim of killing and abducting Israeli troops, Hamas sent two M-240 Storm car bombs, each carrying about 300 kg of explosives, which were disguised as Israel Defence Force (IDF) vehicles. Those were accompanied by two BRDM-2 armoured personnel carriers (APCs) that were supposed to carry the kidnapped troops or bodies into Gaza.
IDF units, which were placed on high alert on the eve of Passover but did not have a specific warning of the attack, managed to thwart it, sustaining 13 injured servicemen.

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Perhaps Hamas and others have moved on to other tactics, now that they are better armed. Time probably is on their side:

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...Even if there had been a US military option against Hezbollah, the war in Iraq has effectively eliminated it. American military strength has been exhausted in Iraq and Afghanistan and it has inadequate force to devote to a particularly dangerous third front. This is perhaps the greatest damage done by the Bush adventure in Iraq, where after five years there is no end in sight. The United States may be in Iraq for years to come with Israel ending up a victim of the Iraq adventure it instigated.

Doubts about Israel’s future

CIA and Israeli demographers such as Sergio Della-Pergola estimate that in the next 10 years Jews will be less that 45% of the population in Palestine i.e. between the Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River. This sets up the South African Apartheid model of a minority occupying population ruling the indigenous majority....

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I doubt Hamas wants the arms smuggling to stop:

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IDF: Hamas now in full control of Gaza arms smuggling

By Amos Harel and Avi Issacharoff, Haaretz Correspondents
08/10/2007

Hamas now has complete control over the smuggling routes from Egypt, having forced the clans that previously controlled these routes to take orders from it, say senior officers in the Israel Defense Forces.

The officers said there has been a sharp increase in the quantity of explosives, including various types of rockets, smuggled into the Gaza Strip from Egypt over the last few weeks.

They added that the arms smuggling has expanded markedly since Hamas seized control of the enclave this summer and ousted forces from the rival Fatah party that had previously been stationed along the Gaza-Egypt border.

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A temporay truce is also possible, if Israel accepts it:

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Updated May 2, 2008 0:44
Official: Truce to be boost for Schalit release
Israel's expected acceptance of a Cairo-brokered cease-fire with Hamas in the Gaza Strip will "significantly" expedite the release of kidnapped Cpl. Gilad Schalit, a top official involved in the negotiations told The Jerusalem Post on Wednesday.
According to the official, while Schalit's release was being negotiated on a second, parallel track to the cease-fire talks, Israel's agreement to a truce in Gaza would "open doors" with Hamas and have an impact on the talks concerning a prisoner swap in exchange for the soldier abducted in June 2006.
The Post has also learned that a clause in the Egyptian-brokered cease-fire, which has already been accepted by Hamas, is the reopening of the Rafah crossing between Gaza and Sinai according to the terms of the 2005 agreement reached by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Hamas, according to the deal, would not be allowed to maintain a presence at the crossing...
...Bush is expected to arrive on May 13, and after taking part in Independence Day ceremonies here and then go on to Saudi Arabia to mark 75 years of US-Saudi ties. From there he is scheduled to go to Egypt. Cairo, according to diplomatic officials in Jerusalem, was certainly eager to broker the cease-fire deal with Hamas before Bush visited, to win US favor.

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But I doubt Hamas's longterm plans to resist Israel by force have ended. More likely they will keep stockpiling and training...
 
earth_as_one
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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Exactly.

I do not argue that Jewish influence far outpaces their numbers........only 13 million Jews on earth.

and yes, in Europe before the Holocaust, Jews were by far disproportionally represented in the intellectual class, professors, teachers doctors, and as entrepreneurs.

It is, as your source says , a survival strategy among the most persecuted people on the face of the earth........

So what?

Are we envious of their ability to focus on education? On achievement?

What is the point?

if jews have influence, they EARNED it!

Jews have earned their influence in Canada. Canada is a better place overall because of Jewish Canadians. Jewish communities have built schools and hospitals and their charity extends beyond their own community. Their contributions encompass many different fields from Engineering and Science to Entertainment and Media. I don't think Canadians should be envious of Jews. They are fellow Canadians. We should take pride in their accomplishments be grateful for their contributions.

As the fighting gets more serious in Israel, Canada should open its doors fully to Israeli immigration.

While anti-semitism does exist in Canada an it is a problem, Jews and any identifiable groups like them are protected by law from persecution. Since 9/11, I'd say Muslims and Arabs are more persecuted than Jews in Canada. So are First Nations people, as Amnesty International reminds the world annually.
 
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Ever notice how often in the last 60 years that the 'defending' was actually taking place outside their own borders. It is not as serene over there as the article would have the reader believe.
Casualties
The Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs for the occupied Palestinian territory (OCHoPT) was established in late 2000 by the United Nations as a response to the deteriorating humanitarian situation in the West Bank and Gaza caused by military incursions and closures[110] (See also: Second Intifada). The office monitors the conflict and presents figures relating to both internal-violence and direct conflict clashes.
Casualty figures for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from the OCHAoPt[111]
(numbers in brackets represent casualties under the age of 1

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Thank you, MHz,
for this detailed link. I really, really feel sorry for the Palestinians. How can they manage their daily lives? Think of the little children who have to witness and even suffer through these crimes! But worst yet... how can the world stand by and let these crimes against a devastated humanity happen?
Imagine, if this happened to the Americans or the Israelis themselves!!! !@#$%^&*()_+_)(*&^%$#@!!@#$%^&*&^%$()_+@!#$%
 
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60 years ago today Israel became a state. That's what I heard in the news. Amid the celebrations looms the Olmert bribery scandal. Al Jazera has inside knowledge he might step down and will likely be replaced by Zivi Livni.
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Olmert tied to New York developer in scandal Police have imposed a strict gag order that forbids publication of information about the case in Israel.
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Olmert 'may quit over scandal'
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Israel faces corruption 'epidemic'
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Looks like they need a major clean-up! But what is the use?
 
earth_as_one
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I've seen Livni talk. She is charismatic and tough. I doubt Israel would become a kinder gentler nation under Livni's leadership.
 
DurkaDurka
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jews, lol, jews, muslims, lol, muslims.
 
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dancing-loon
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I've seen Livni talk. She is charismatic and tough. I doubt Israel would become a kinder gentler nation under Livni's leadership.

I think this kind of Jew should take the leadership in hand....

love your enemy! The world would instantly become a better place!
 
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Wow... what a website, gopher! Don't expect me to read it all, but I will keep bar code 729 in mind.
 
gopher
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this is how Bush makes love:

 
Colpy
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#51
You know, that guy hugging that vicious, deluded, insane, holocaust-denying Jew hater is either an imposter, or a complete bloody idiot.

And yes, I know Iran is one of the very few ME countries outside Israel with a Jewish population.

there's a idiot ass-kisser in every crowd.

BTW, I notice, among our lefty friends here, very little comment on Hezbollah and their unprovoked attack on West Beirut, killing a number of civilians, and further weakening the control of the rightful gov't of Lebanon............

Gee Whiz, guys, where are all your cries of "the injustice of it all!"

Now, Hezbollah is supported by Syria, and fully funded by Iran. In fact, one could easily say it is the proxy army of Iran. Hezbollah wishes to murder every Jew on earth, and its leader has said so. Hezbollah has hit targets as far away as Argentina, targets that have absolutely nothing to do with ME politics.....only with Jews.

So, why no outcry, o so concerned humanitarians?

I noticed the same thing when Hamas (with the same backers) took over Gaza, in the process throwing several Fatah supporters off of tall buildings.

Very little criticism from the peaceniks.......

But let Israel fire a missile at a car load of rocket firing terrorists in Gaza, and it's "Oh, the inhumanity!"

Could it be?

I think the leftys have picked a side.....

The WRONG one.

As is their right:

I'm just ****ING TIRED of their hypocracy.
 
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"I'm just ****ING TIRED of their hypocracy."


The same could be said of the righties and their defense of Israel's attacks on Lebanon which destroyed its infrasructure and killed over 1,000 people. Better yet, not much has been said by those same geniuses over Bush's continued killing of Iraqis.
 
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Wow... what a website, gopher! Don't expect me to read it all, but I will keep bar code 729 in mind.



Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

The same could be said of the righties and their defense of Israel's attacks on Lebanon which destroyed its infrasructure and killed over 1,000 people. Better yet, not much has been said by those same geniuses over Bush's continued killing of Iraqis.

I think bears repeating for those that missed the point...

Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

BTW, I notice, among our lefty friends here, very little comment on Hezbollah and their unprovoked attack on West Beirut, killing a number of civilians, and further weakening the control of the rightful gov't of Lebanon............

Gee Whiz, guys, where are all your cries of "the injustice of it all!"

Now, Hezbollah is supported by Syria, and fully funded by Iran. In fact, one could easily say it is the proxy army of Iran. Hezbollah wishes to murder every Jew on earth, and its leader has said so. Hezbollah has hit targets as far away as Argentina, targets that have absolutely nothing to do with ME politics.....only with Jews.

So, why no outcry, o so concerned humanitarians?

I noticed the same thing when Hamas (with the same backers) took over Gaza, in the process throwing several Fatah supporters off of tall buildings.

Very little criticism from the peaceniks.......

But let Israel fire a missile at a car load of rocket firing terrorists in Gaza, and it's "Oh, the inhumanity!"

Could it be?

I think the leftys have picked a side.....

The WRONG one.

As is their right:

I'm just ****ING TIRED of their hypocracy.

 
earth_as_one
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How come we westerners didn't complain when our leaders imposed an economic blockade on Palestinians after they democratically elected Hamas? Don't our leaders want democracy to spread thoughout the middle east?

Why didn't we complain when the US and Israel armed opposition forces in a blatant attempt to overthrow Palestine's democratically elected government?

Hamas didn't start the violence which led to their military take over of Gaza. Violence erupted when anti-democratic forces backed by Israel and the US attempted to overthrow the democratically elected Palestinian government. In the end the side with the support of the majority of people (Hamas) won in Gaza but lost in the West Bank.

As a result, democratically ruled Gaza remains under a constant state of seige. Meanwhile, the West Bank which fell to anti-democratic forces supported by the US and Israel suffers accelerated Israeli land theft.

Legitimate Palestinian leaders should be upset that Israel continues to expand their Jewish only colonies on Palestinian land. However Fatah's leaders don't seem to mind as long as they keep getting arms and bribe money which come as a result of maintaining friendly relations with the US and Israel.

No wonder Hamas won the election.

What's going on in Lebanon is a proxy war between the US and Iran. The Lebanese military has decided to remain neutral in this conflict and has focused on restoring order after the battles.

The Independent
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Robert Fisk: Hizbollah rules west Beirut in Iran's proxy war with US
Saturday, 10 May 2008
Another American humiliation. The Shia gunmen who drove past my apartment in west Beirut yesterday afternoon were hooting their horns, making V-signs, leaning out of the windows of SUVs with their rifles in the air, proving to the Muslims of the capital that the elected government of Lebanon has lost.
And it has. The national army still patrols the streets, but solely to prevent sectarian killings or massacres. Far from dismantling the pro-Iranian Hizbollah's secret telecommunications system – and disarming the Hizbollah itself – the cabinet of Fouad Siniora sits in the old Turkish serail in Beirut, denouncing violence with the same authority as the Iraqi government in Baghdad's green zone.
The Lebanese army watches the Hizbollah road-blocks. And does nothing. As a Tehran versus Washington conflict, Iran has won, at least for now. Walid Jumblatt, the Druze leader and MP and a pro-American supporter of Mr Siniora's government, is isolated in his home in west Beirut, but has not been harmed. The same applies to Saad Hariri, one of the most prominent government MPs and the son of the murdered former prime minister Rafik Hariri. He remains in his west Beirut palace in Koreitem, guarded by police and soldiers but unable to move without Hizbollah's approval. The symbolism is everything.

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MikeyDB
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Dancing_Loon

Simple... Colpy and Bear....they have all the answers when it comes to the ME and given sufficient latitude...everything else....
 
Colpy
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How come we westerners didn't complain when our leaders imposed an economic blockade on Palestinians after they democratically elected Hamas? Don't our leaders want democracy to spread thoughout the middle east?

I actually have some sympathy (surprize! ) for Palestine.......they were faced with a choice between corrupt Fatah and Islamist Hamas..........tough one for a Muslim. However, we do not have to support any gov't just because it is elected.....Hitler was chosen as Chancellor by an elected body.


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Why didn't we complain when the US and Israel armed opposition forces in a blatant attempt to overthrow Palestine's democratically elected government?
Hamas didn't start the violence which led to their military take over of Gaza. Violence erupted when anti-democratic forces backed by Israel and the US attempted to overthrow the democratically elected Palestinian government. In the end the side with the support of the majority of people (Hamas) won in Gaza but lost in the West Bank.

Do you REALLY believe that? If so, you're simply hopeless.

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As a result, democratically ruled Gaza remains under a constant state of seige. Meanwhile, the West Bank which fell to anti-democratic forces supported by the US and Israel suffers accelerated Israeli land theft.

You'll notice Egypt ain't crazy about opening borders to their former possession either......why is that? Have the Egyptians fallen into the Great Jewish Conspiracy?

No.

They realize Hamas is NUTS!


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Legitimate Palestinian leaders should be upset that Israel continues to expand their Jewish only colonies on Palestinian land. However Fatah's leaders don't seem to mind as long as they keep getting arms and bribe money which come as a result of maintaining friendly relations with the US and Israel.

No wonder Hamas won the election.

Yeah, it is no wonder....one shouldn't be surprized. It is, however, a tragedy for the Arabs.

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What's going on in Lebanon is a proxy war between the US and Iran. The Lebanese military has decided to remain neutral in this conflict and has focused on restoring order after the battles.

ABSOLUTELY! Now, screw your head on straight and THINK!

Who needs to win? Our friends, our allies, the democratic, free nation, the leader of the western world........or lunatic, genocidal Islamist terrorists......

Think about that for a minute.
 
Colpy
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Dancing_Loon

Simple... Colpy and Bear....they have all the answers when it comes to the ME and given sufficient latitude...everything else....

Why, thank you Mikey.

I so appreciate it when my genius is recognized.....and I'm sure CDN Bear does as well.....

 
MikeyDB
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Colpy

Just be careful of those fanatical extremists who invade other nations on the basis of lies and fraud......

Those fanatical extremists who lie to us all daily in our newspapers and through our media and inculcate fear...an aspect of 'terrorism' right in our own backyard.

You've decided that nothing anyone can say nor any fact that can be presented to you can compel you to re-consider your position on Israel....

It must be comforting for you to see the truthfulness and integrity of the media you so robustly embrace proven out over time....like Viet Nam....or Iraq......

You're a pawn Colpy.....as are we all in a game of economics and "belief" played as politics through media and championed as "right" and "justice" and "truth"....by liars and theives.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDBView Post

Colpy

Just be careful of those fanatical extremists who invade other nations on the basis of lies and fraud......

Those fanatical extremists who lie to us all daily in our newspapers and through our media and inculcate fear...an aspect of 'terrorism' right in our own backyard.

You've decided that nothing anyone can say nor any fact that can be presented to you can compel you to re-consider your position on Israel....

It must be comforting for you to see the truthfulness and integrity of the media you so robustly embrace proven out over time....like Viet Nam....or Iraq......

You're a pawn Colpy.....as are we all in a game of economics and "belief" played as politics through media and championed as "right" and "justice" and "truth"....by liars and theives.

It is a war, Mikey.

Pick a side.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

However, we do not have to support any gov't just because it is elected.....

Then what is the point of elections? Should Harper have the blessing of any Nation before Canadians can accept him as being elected?
 

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