Somalian crisis

Kathie Bondar

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I just don't get it. We feed them, so they breed. They breed and have more children they can't feed, so we feed them.
We see these horrific images of Somalian women coming to the camps with their large brood of kids. Why would they bring all these children to the world if they can't support them? What are their mating practices? Do they have ritualistic orgies?
The men disappear as soon as they got the women pregnant, to give birth to boys who will grow up to be like the men their mother had sex with to get pregnant.
The population growth is out of control. They cut down the trees for fire, then they don't have trees for ecological balance. Figure that.
 

Cliffy

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It is not just Somalia, it is everywhere do-gooders have interfered with the natural balance of life. For thousands of years people have lived in balance with their environment and part of that balance has been drought, famine and dying. But in the West we have become terrified of death and have to try to interfere, thinking that we are saving these people. We aren't. We have created this mess.

We also think that our lifestyle, education, religious and political systems are far superior than those backwoods bumpkins and feel a need to bring them along for the ride, to improve their lot in life. Well we haven't succeeded on any front because the situation is a bigger mess than when we started interfering.
 

damngrumpy

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The other side of this story comes from another time, the age of empire building.
Britain and other European countries went in and exploited the resources and
then left without eduction or the the infrastructure required to transcend into a
modern society. Add that to the concept of religion that has stunted the growth
of a people for almost a thousand years.
There is the imbalance of nature that will not support the populations now living
in the region. as for cutting down the trees etc that was done by colonial masters.
The fact is we live in the twenty first century and it is not acceptable to just let the
people of a region starve to death We talk about those people, well the sad fact is
those people could one day be us. If we had the same kind of dry drought and
hot weather as happened in the Dirty Thirties the disaster today would be magnified
a hundred times.
The fact is people are starving to death, little kids and mothers most of them in
fact children themselves. What we have to do is develop a plan for such disasters
by helping to build up the areas where these people live and at least attempt to have
them grow their own food I know its been tried before but we mus redouble our
efforts
 

Durry

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The fact is we live in the twenty first century and it is not acceptable to just let the
people of a region starve to death We talk about those people, well the sad fact is
those people could one day be us.
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Well you can be assured that if roles were reversed, they would not be helping us.
This helping thing, is a Christian thing.

For instance, as for a few days ago, the African Union, which has a lot of money has not contributed to the Somali relief, neither has the Gulf States or Nigeria.

Does this not tell you something??
 

bluebyrd35

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I just don't get it. We feed them, so they breed. They breed and have more children they can't feed, so we feed them.
We see these horrific images of Somalian women coming to the camps with their large brood of kids. Why would they bring all these children to the world if they can't support them? What are their mating practices? Do they have ritualistic orgies?
The men disappear as soon as they got the women pregnant, to give birth to boys who will grow up to be like the men their mother had sex with to get pregnant.
The population growth is out of control. They cut down the trees for fire, then they don't have trees for ecological balance. Figure that.

Pretty bloody hard to practice birth control without the resources to obtain it. It is unfair to put the blame on a society's promiscuity. Besides, there were men with those families making the trek. It is a proven fact when a society has access to birth control (women in particular) the whole society benefits greatly. They become self-sufficient. So along with feeding those people, a long term program giving them access to free birth control, will break the cycle.

Population growth in the US is excessive as well, but so far, that country has kept things together by borrowing money. Unfortunately, instead of spending it on supporting that population, it has gone on everything but the citizens responsible for a decent standard of life. Witness the battle for supremacy to wrest back control over that system going on now.
 

Durry

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Population growth in the US is excessive as well, but so far, that country has kept things together by borrowing money.
now.
The US population growth is NOT excessive, they have a birth rate that hardly sustains it's population.
Your a dumbo, you should get your facts straight before you post here.
 

bluebyrd35

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Perhaps you should look up the facts. 1. The US is the 3rd most populous nation in the world. 2. It's population has tripled in the 20th century. 3. It CANNOT support the population it currently has!!

Exactly by what right do you decide where I post. If you feel I am a dumbo, where does that put you, since my facts seem to have more to back them up than yours..

Oh, don't forget how religious politicians have been busy trying to regain control over womens rights to the size of their families!! Outlawing abortions, and during the Bush administration, attempting to give pharmacists the right to overrule the doctors prescriptions.
 
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Durry

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Perhaps you should look up the facts. 1. The US is the 3rd most populous nation in the world. 2. It's population has tripled in the 20th century. 3. It CANNOT support the population it currently has!!

Exactly by what right do you decide where I post. If you feel I am a dumbo, where does that put you, since my facts seem to have more to back them up than yours..

Oh, don't forget how religious politicians have been busy trying to regain control over womens rights to the size of their families!! Outlawing abortions, and during the Bush administration, attempting to give pharmacists the right to overrule the doctors prescriptions.
Your points 1 & 2 mean absolutely nothing, and where are your facts to support the statement your making in point 3 ??
Here is my fact on birth rate in the US ;
List of sovereign states and dependent territories by fertility rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are interpeteing their laws and what they do to support your misguided understanding of what is really going on in the US. And again you have no facts to support your statements. Dumbo, yeah , your there!!
 

winespius

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Blue...The US is doing pretty good since it has one of the highest standard of living on the planet, the largest economy...etc..never been there obviously...you must read Chomsky
Here's a novel concept...how about they tackle the problem themselves..? We have been shoveling money into Africa for half a century and what advancement have the achieved...show me one successful black country in the continent..
 

bluebyrd35

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Your points 1 & 2 mean absolutely nothing, and where are your facts to support the statement your making in point 3 ??
Here is my fact on birth rate in the US ;
List of sovereign states and dependent territories by fertility rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


You are interpeteing their laws and what they do to support your misguided understanding of what is really going on in the US. And again you have no facts to support your statements. Dumbo, yeah , your there!!
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Yup, I have already read that information. Where do you think MY facts came from LOL.

Re: the relevance of 1 and 2, If a family's (here read country) becomes too large to support without living off welfare (there read world money lenders) it either has to reduce the size of it's family as well as cut back drastically on it's spending. Oh but here is the sticking point, how can one cut back on the family (population) already in existence?? Perhaps by education, subsidized birth control and abortions. Oh horrors, pinko socialism!!

My my, I guess the solution is to cut back spending or become permanent welfare recipients. It appears, though, that the world money lenders are not about to allow the US to become "permanent welfare recipients" are they??
 

weaselwords

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Let me take this on a different line. Rather the UN announcing "famine" & having the west go through its usual handwringing. Why haven't the Pirates of Puntland come to the fore buying aid with their illgotten gains from ship hijackings. It would be interesting for them at least to challenge the west to dollar for dollar crusade for humaniarian aid.
 

bluebyrd35

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Blue...The US is doing pretty good since it has one of the highest standard of living on the planet, the largest economy...etc..never been there obviously...you must read Chomsky
Here's a novel concept...how about they tackle the problem themselves..? We have been shoveling money into Africa for half a century and what advancement have the achieved...show me one successful black country in the continent..

Oh my winespius but that opens another can of worms.

"The U.S. ranks 4th in GDP, yet it is 92nd in distribution of wealth—UN measurement. In other words the top 5% live the best of all nations, and the bottom 25% live worse than in countries such as Greece. How long do you suppose such a disparity can go on?? particularly since it is the 95% of the population that subsidizes that 5%. Sadly, if the US goes under, it will take a great many more countries with it.

As for Africa, I would have to research why the system is failing there.

It is not about shoveling in money willy nilly, it is about education & population control. A woman who becomes a baby factory has time for nothing else. A man with no education cannot earn enough to support that family. It appears only when a population is able to see what is possible, they are able to change things. Look at what the internet & cell phones have done in the middle east.

Let me take this on a different line. Rather the UN announcing "famine" & having the west go through its usual handwringing. Why haven't the Pirates of Puntland come to the fore buying aid with their illgotten gains from ship hijackings. It would be interesting for them at least to challenge the west to dollar for dollar crusade for humaniarian aid.

LOL like that is about to happen. Pirates don't exactly come with ethics, do they??
 

Durry

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Why haven't the Pirates of Puntland come to the fore buying aid with their illgotten gains from ship hijackings.
aid.
Are you kidding, these are Somali Muslims, these people never help anybody..
Your going to have to shed your Christian line of reasoning before you try to understand these people.
 

winespius

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The average american is still weathier than the average canuck...
African countries are failing due to a host of problems...none of which I will take responsibility for..
the main things are corruption, greed, tribalism and overpopulation...I've been to several but the worst is Nigeria...here is a large country with all kinds of resources yet suffers brutal poverty, violence and internal strife...mainly due to corruption...
The oil revenues all end up in Swiss bank accounts and the people see very little benefit and it 's not the fault of the oil companies..they sink billions into River State for example but it just vanishes..
 

bluebyrd35

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That has not been my observation (I have spent 5 months a year there for over 20 years.) I own a house in Ormond by the Sea. At this moment in time the home on the left has been empty in foreclosure for 4 years, and the lady on the right, has not been able to afford to come down from Virginia in a couple of years. She is in her late 70's and is still working ..... now as a salesperson. She is a retired school teacher. She inherited the Florida home, but has been unable to sell the house up north as her ambition was to live in the inherited one. Not sure if that will happen.

On my short street there are many homes standing vacant. Now at one end of the street is the Halifax River and on the other end the Ocean. Along those thoroughfares bordering the water, the mansions standing empty is heartbreaking. I keep seeing the prices come down and down but there are no buyers year after year. Every year, when I go down, there may be 5 or 6 of the same people still living in the same place as when I left.

Across the street from me, two men share expenses in a small rented home. They are both of retirement age and more. One works as a box boy in a Publix but the other seems to at least have some sort of retirement pension.

Ormond Beach is just outside of Daytona and over the past few years, the business have been coming and going so fast that sometimes they have done so in the 7 months I am in Canada. I see people living in their cars, and beggars on the street are numerous, so no the average American is no longer better off than the average Canadian.

Personally, I think unless they fix their election processes, it is not going to improve. Of course, the Canadian one needs an overhaul as well. After all Harper was not elected on a popular vote count.
 

Kathie Bondar

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Let me take this on a different line. Rather the UN announcing "famine" & having the west go through its usual handwringing. Why haven't the Pirates of Puntland come to the fore buying aid with their illgotten gains from ship hijackings. It would be interesting for them at least to challenge the west to dollar for dollar crusade for humaniarian aid.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Here we are bleeding for the Somalians while they are piroting ous ships and letting our charities feed their starving women and children. My question is, why have not the United States under NATO banner bombed the hell out of them, like they are doing in Lybia as we speak. I don't recall seeing any starving Lybians staggering out of the desert, only a relatively small number of intellectuals opposed to the regime, yet NATO and the US were quick to respond to their call.
Incidently, Lybia was successful creating an infrastructure to provide for its people, while fighting Sudan of all people. May not be perfect, but look what they have to work with.
So, what is going on? Is it humanitarian effort we are talking about or just cold hard politics?